6700K or 5820K?

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Doomguy

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So is having 2 gaming rigs in one computer possible like I suggested? It's a weird thought but one that interests me a lot lol. Especially with Fury Nano.....
VMs seem pretty cool. It would give me a chance to utilize my older GPUs rather than throwing them out. If Zen was close enough to intel's performance, that would seal the deal for me. 8 threads to each GPU!

You can use SoftXpand Duo to play multiple games on one PC with multiple mice and keyboard http://www.miniframe.com/technology/softxpand.html
 

alcoholbob

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Of course it all depends on the game. Current games that are CPU heavy (lots of AI threads/schedules) do happen to scale well beyond 4 cores. A good example is Novigrad in Witcher 3, or Assassin's Creed Unity.



RPG genre in the future looks like it will be helpful for more cores.
 

CakeMonster

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Those settings have no value whatsoever for me and most gamers. Show me the non-SLI figures at 1440 or more instead, and I'll bet the difference is much smaller if there is one at all.
 

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6700k if you don't OC
5820K is you OC

Because at stock 6700k has 20% clock speed advantage, but with both OCed, it's more like around 5%.
 

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Was just reading this Xeon E5 v4 (up to 22 cores) is on track for a 2015 release. If that means 14nm is that mature and ready with the -EPs, I really, really hope, Broadwell-E will drop in January.
 

cmdrdredd

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Those settings have no value whatsoever for me and most gamers. Show me the non-SLI figures at 1440 or more instead, and I'll bet the difference is much smaller if there is one at all.


Not only that but it doesn't account for a 4ghz 6700k against a 3.4ghz 5820k. If you are comparing stock clock speeds. I would want to see how the extra clock speed and IPC help(if any)
 

aigomorla

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How does that make any sense at all? 90% of people who buy a 5960x end up buying it? What the hell does that mean?

greed....

because if u really required the power of a 5960X u would pick up a 2S server instead....

5960x users are a product of a greed.
Same can be said with any black label CPU.

Black Label Processor buyers do not look at the cheapest option, or most suitable option..

They look for the TOP Tier option, just cuz its top tier.

This is why i said most of the 5960X dont require them.
If they did require them again.... its a 2 socketed server machine.

Trust me.... no one really ends up buying a 5960X because they absolutely needed it.
If you absolutely need the power, you got yourself a 2S server... 2 socket, which can support 2 of those 8 - core processors on 1 board.
If you needed the speed, well, again if its multi threaded... then the 2S server is a better option, while if your after single core speed, you again got the wrong cpu.
5960X has a X which means Xtreme Edition, aka... black label.... no one NEEDS these cpu's... they are like the prettiest girls at the party, that never get asked to dance, in which most will never get to fully stretch their legs out besides that initial screen cap with 4.4+GHZ on prime testing...

It s not about money or buy the cpu. it s about TEST it at least once in your life.
If u don t test it directly you re ignorant about most of its aspect. you only know how to read benchmarks.

ps: it s sad you say 5960x users are less informed, you say this based on .... your imagination

My imagination? really?
If you know what cpu's can do, you would get a server 2S because u would do better off on a 2x6 socket 2S machine with 12cores and not 8core.
If you need the GHZ... well... 5960X has the lowest GHZ @ 3.0ghz...
If you wanted single core speed... again... i dont think that is a reason why u got a 5960X.

so what's left?

Guy A: bro, i hear the 5960X is the flag ship.... the top tier.
Guy B: cool, i'll get that since i have money to burn and its the best. I also want to inflate my ego...
[no offense to anyone who owns a 5960X, but you need to admit that u mostly got the processor cuz its the Top Tier, vs required the cores.]

or...
Guy A: Dude im getting a Alienware PC from DELL!!!

need i say more?
 
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YBS1

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That's complete horsecrap, the reason someone would choose a 5960X (or whatever the case may be at the time) over multiprocessor server options is it's the best blend of the two worlds available. You *generally* are not afforded the overclocking options on those setups like you are on the unlocked HEDT line, therefore as awesome as their multithreaded abilities may be, their single threaded abilities are for crap.
 
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[T]he reason someone would choose a 5960X (or whatever the case may be at the time) over multiprocessor server options is it's the best blend of the two worlds available. You *generally* are not afforded the overclocking options on those setups like you are on the unlocked HEDT line, therefore as awesome as their multithreaded abilities may be, their single threaded abilities are for crap.

:thumbsup:
 

aigomorla

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That's complete horsecrap, the reason someone would choose a 5960X (or whatever the case may be at the time) over multiprocessor server options is it's the best blend of the two worlds available. You *generally* are not afforded the overclocking options on those setups like you are on the unlocked HEDT line, therefore as awesome as their multithreaded abilities may be, their single threaded abilities are for crap.

you know this debate can go on for hours...
It maybe for crap, but its not that bad, also the fact you have ECC on said server, and other fault protection.

You maybe one of the few i was implying that it didnt apply, but most 5960X users got their processors cuz its intel's flag ship and a 8-Core, which again, unless ur folding / DCing your not going to do anything close to stressing out the cpu load wise.
 

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you know this debate can go on for hours...
It maybe for crap, but its not that bad, also the fact you have ECC on said server, and other fault protection.

You maybe one of the few i was implying that it didnt apply, but most 5960X users got their processors cuz its intel's flag ship and a 8-Core, which again, unless ur folding / DCing your not going to do anything close to stressing out the cpu load wise.

I want as many cores as I can get given that I'm able to stay within say ~9/10ths of the best single thread performance available. I don't like waiting on things, the more cores, the faster that encode (or whatever) gets done, then when it's game time I'm not giving up much of anything to the fastest quads available (and if the game can take advantage of it sometimes even faster performance).
 

njdevilsfan87

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In the past, Intel's flagships were just better binned versions of the $300-$500 chips. But this time, we at least got MOAR CORES.

The question of 6700K vs 5820K is similar to E8400 vs Q6600 some ~8 years ago. The E8400 offered more performance up front, but a few years down the line, the Q6600 was the big winner. So if you're looking at keeping the chip into 2017, 5820K easily, imo. Quite a few games support multiple cores now, and the modern engines which many games from here on out will be developed using, will take advantage of it. Personally, I'd like to have some free cores while gaming so I end up with the highest possible minimum frame rates.
 

tential

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Of course it all depends on the game. Current games that are CPU heavy (lots of AI threads/schedules) do happen to scale well beyond 4 cores. A good example is Novigrad in Witcher 3, or Assassin's Creed Unity.



RPG genre in the future looks like it will be helpful for more cores.

Please... remove this post. Games don't scale beyond 4 cores. Are you not paying attention? Please do NOT post anymore examples of games scaling beyond 4 cores...
 

cmdrdredd

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Please... remove this post. Games don't scale beyond 4 cores. Are you not paying attention? Please do NOT post anymore examples of games scaling beyond 4 cores...

Nobody was saying that nonsense. What I and others have said is there are very few examples of games that scale across more than 4 cores (some barely even do any work beyond 2). Plus that doesn't tell the whole story because we aren't seeing Skylake on that chart which has IPC improvements and is clocked at 4Ghz stock. Now the real test is to clock both to 4.5Ghz or so and see what happens, but one thing is 100% certain...Skylake will use less power and run cooler. That has to be taken into account here as well. Unless you just don't care about that at all which is possible. I worry about thermals because I use air cooling and it might be hard to tame an overclocked 5820k under air in Florida.
 
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YBS1

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I am surprised to see so many people tossing high end gear into a system and opting for a 6600k instead of the 6700k. I did that before with the 3570k vs 3770k and I ended up wishing I had the HT chip at times.
This is what I found odd, it's directly oppositional to what you are arguing in here. With the 6700k you're gaining only 4 logical cores. With the 5820k you're gaining 2 physical cores and 4 logical cores for about the same price difference again. Granted with a very slight ipc penalty, but still.
 

sxr7171

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Those settings have no value whatsoever for me and most gamers. Show me the non-SLI figures at 1440 or more instead, and I'll bet the difference is much smaller if there is one at all.

There is no non-SLI setup that can run that game at 1080p with a consistent 60fps. If you are running at 1440p you need 2 cards. 1080p is the highest playable resolution for my single card setup.
 

StrangerGuy

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In the past, Intel's flagships were just better binned versions of the $300-$500 chips. But this time, we at least got MOAR CORES.

The question of 6700K vs 5820K is similar to E8400 vs Q6600 some ~8 years ago. The E8400 offered more performance up front, but a few years down the line, the Q6600 was the big winner. So if you're looking at keeping the chip into 2017, 5820K easily, imo. Quite a few games support multiple cores now, and the modern engines which many games from here on out will be developed using, will take advantage of it. Personally, I'd like to have some free cores while gaming so I end up with the highest possible minimum frame rates.

"Wolfdale-6M is better because you can OC to 4GHz, think of all the 2008 games you can play with that but can't run on a lousy Q6600 @ 3.6GHz"

Please... remove this post. Games don't scale beyond 4 cores. Are you not paying attention? Please do NOT post anymore examples of games scaling beyond 4 cores...

lolstfunoob, 4C/4T gamerzforever or gtfo
 
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CakeMonster

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There is no non-SLI setup that can run that game at 1080p with a consistent 60fps. If you are running at 1440p you need 2 cards. 1080p is the highest playable resolution for my single card setup.

The point is not about one specific game. If this one is that extreme, even with a 980Ti, it doesn't represent games in general and not even new games.

I'm saying that using 1080p with SLI to prove anything about CPU performance for the average gamer is misleading to put it mildly.
 
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Please... remove this post. Games don't scale beyond 4 cores. Are you not paying attention? Please do NOT post anymore examples of games scaling beyond 4 cores...

I know you are being sarcastic, but in fact, one could argue that this game likes clockspeed and high ipc more than cores. For instance, 4330 is as fast as 9590, and 4770k is only 5% faster than 4670k. The 5960x is probably on top partly because of the huge cache, as shown by broadwell iris pro.
 

cmdrdredd

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This is what I found odd, it's directly oppositional to what you are arguing in here. With the 6700k you're gaining only 4 logical cores. With the 5820k you're gaining 2 physical cores and 4 logical cores for about the same price difference again. Granted with a very slight ipc penalty, but still.


The entire build is nearly $200 more expansive though.
 

YBS1

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The entire build is nearly $200 more expansive though.

Depends on your component selection I suppose, some of the Z170 boards are stooopid expensive. Then there is the fact you can frequently grab the 5820k for $299 at Microcenter. Now that's not apples to apples using a promo price, but with current availability they probably won't be running doorbusters on the 6700k very soon. That being said, I can certainly see why someone would want a 6700k. Absolute latest in chipsets and the very best single thread performance.
 

cmdrdredd

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Depends on your component selection I suppose, some of the Z170 boards are stooopid expensive. Then there is the fact you can frequently grab the 5820k for $299 at Microcenter. Now that's not apples to apples using a promo price, but with current availability they probably won't be running doorbusters on the 6700k very soon. That being said, I can certainly see why someone would want a 6700k. Absolute latest in chipsets and the very best single thread performance.


We don't have microcenter here so I cannot take advantage of those deals. I was comparing a 5820k with asrock x99 oc formula 3.1 or x99 fatality pro 3.1 and 16GB quad channel memory vs a 6700k and an Asus Maximus VIII Hero, and 16GB dual channel kit. Depending on the memory config it was nearing $200. If I was conservative on memory the difference is about $150 but I am also going to be buying a Samsung pcie SSD which is about $200 itself.
 
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