6700K or 5820K?

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MrTeal

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You are right! The CM 140XL competes well on temperatures...
...but the noise levels are ridiculous.

H110 strikes an amazing balance of performance and noise levels compared to the H105 or the CM140XL.

I honestly think unless going with a high quality AIO CLC unit like the H110 or better, it might not be worth it. I think at that point I'd rather go with a great air cooler.

Who wants > 50dBA noise levels with an AIO CLC? That basically defeats the purpose of water which is supposed to offer amazing performance + low noise levels.

Holly cow, the Swiftech H220 completely destroys the Cooler Master 240.

While the CM 120XL is running at 56 dBA and barely beats a $40 Thermalright True Spirit 140 that's operating a whisper quiet 37 dBA. Dang. Ya, I think I would not go with these Cooler Master AIO CLCs now that I looked at the benches.

The 280mm H110 fits into a lot less cases than the 120mm based coolers though. The 140XL is better, as most people can fit a 140mm in the rear fan spot. The 120mm and 240mm coolers are a lot easier to fit.

The Swiftech units (and likely the new EK Predators) are a little different class than most of the CoolIt, Asetek and Coolermaster AOI coolers. They're essentially preassembled and filled low end water cooling kits, as opposed to a traditional AOI.
 

Tecnoworld

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I know the 140xl is noisy when the cpu gets hot, but I've chosen it for the size/price/performance ratio. Yes, I could have gone for a good air cooler, but I wanted to go liquid, this time

As far as the mobo is concerned, I don't need usb 3.1 (I saved about 35€).

Now I have to think about the monitor...anybody tried the benq gw2765ht? Seems one of the best budget monitors for photo editing in the size of 27".
 

superstition

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Huh? I thought DX12 was meant to put less strain on the CPU, not more?

In Pc Per's tests, a 3.5 GHz i3 got 40 fps with a 390X at 1600p under DX 12.

An 8370 running at 4 GHz got substantially fewer.

The framerate improvement for the i3 was dramatic between DX11 and DX12. For the 8370 it wasn't.

The 6700K beat the 5960X.

If Ashes needed more than two real cores to perform well then the i3 should have lost to the FX, even if the FX architecture is that much weaker. 8 real cores should trump a dual core, especially one that isn't overclocked, every time in a game that truly leverages lots of cores.

Developers are likely going to do the same thing in general: target dual core i3s with 4 thread game engines. I doubt we'll ever see games requiring true quad core chips anytime soon in a shrinking PC market.

For a pure gaming box this question is a no-brainer. The 6700K is a better technical choice (particularly given its gaming performance per watt when comparing overclocked performance). Whether or not it's overpriced versus a 4970K or the 5820K is another matter.
 
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Tecnoworld

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About the PSU to go with my Haswell-e:

I saw the msg about the psu I've chosen for haswell-e (corsair 750w). It's actually bronze! So it could be an issue?

I could, with few €€€ more, buy an EVGA 750w gold. Is this better? Also, about same price, a lc-power 850w gold arkangel.

Which one would you choose? Thx!
 

Ranulf

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Meh, bronze is not a huge issue. The evga's have gotten better reviews and I'm assuming it is their modular cable model. Depends on how much a few more euros you're talking about but overall I'd lean towards the evga. I've been happy with mine and I prefer to over buy on a power supply.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/ is a great place for psu reviews.
 

Tecnoworld

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HELP! Unfortunately the RAM I ordered is no longer available (Ram DIMM DDR4 16B G.Skill Kit (4x4GB) 3000Mhz 16GRBB CL15 [F4-3000C15Q-16GRBB]).

I can choose among these:

Ram DIMM DDR4 16GB Corsair 3000 C14 Vengeance LPX kit (4x4GB) [CMK16GX4M4B3000C15] (stesso prezzo)

OR

Ram DIMM DDR4 16GB G.Skill 3000 CL15 KIT (2x8GB) 16GRBB Ripjaws [F4-3000C15D-16GRBB]

OR

Ram DIMM DDR4 16GB G.SKill 3000 CL15 KIT (4x4GB) 16GVRB Ripjaws 4 [F4-3000C15Q-16GVRB]

OR

Ram DIMM DDR4 16GB Kingston XMP Predator 2400MHz kit (4X4GB) [HX424C12PB2K4/16]

Which one should I choose for optimal performance with X99 and H-e?

p.s.: it's really urgent, any help will be highly appreciated!
 

YBS1

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My personal stance on buying ram is to buy the fastest available that runs at the standard/lowest voltage. So in the case of DDR4 right now that would be 1.2v DDR4 2800, everything commonly available faster than that is set at higher than 1.2v. Sticks that can run fast at standard voltage will likely clock just as well or better than those pre-overclocked 1.35v sticks.
 

RussianSensation

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HELP! Unfortunately the RAM I ordered is no longer available (Ram DIMM DDR4 16B G.Skill Kit (4x4GB) 3000Mhz 16GRBB CL15 [F4-3000C15Q-16GRBB]).

Ram DIMM DDR4 16GB G.SKill 3000 CL15 KIT (4x4GB) 16GVRB Ripjaws 4 [F4-3000C15Q-16GVRB]

^ That one. 1.35V with 15-16-16-35 timings. I would also consider 1.2V DDR4 2800 as YBS1 advised you since chances are future CPUs might not support 1.35V DDR4 but will probably work with 1.2V DDR4. It would be a nice bonus to be able to reuse DDR4 should you decide to upgrade in 3-4 years. Having said that, I bet you can run 1.35V DDR4 3000 at 1.2V with lower clocks and/or looser timings. So it's not the end of the world.
 

UnholyCarcass

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Considering that the X99 platform is still at the top, if you have the money for it, you should go for it over a skylake system.
 

readers

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In Pc Per's tests, a 3.5 GHz i3 got 40 fps with a 390X at 1600p under DX 12.

An 8370 running at 4 GHz got substantially fewer.

The framerate improvement for the i3 was dramatic between DX11 and DX12. For the 8370 it wasn't.

The 6700K beat the 5960X.

If Ashes needed more than two real cores to perform well then the i3 should have lost to the FX, even if the FX architecture is that much weaker. 8 real cores should trump a dual core, especially one that isn't overclocked, every time in a game that truly leverages lots of cores.

Developers are likely going to do the same thing in general: target dual core i3s with 4 thread game engines. I doubt we'll ever see games requiring true quad core chips anytime soon in a shrinking PC market.

For a pure gaming box this question is a no-brainer. The 6700K is a better technical choice (particularly given its gaming performance per watt when comparing overclocked performance). Whether or not it's overpriced versus a 4970K or the 5820K is another matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPh7rj_XVUY

that's with a basically stock 5930k and a high OC 4790k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLs-sMteggg

Here is how 5960x just crush 4790k when both at stock, and 5960x can OC a lot more from stock clock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51-CbbX7F88

Clock for clock, 5930k significantly faster than 4790k.

I take two very popular and demanding games over a game that's I heard only because it has the first dx12 benchmark.
 
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readers

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lol not that crap again. please dont link to their BS videos. I already proved they were BS before when RussianSensation used to link to them.

Link? Have you also proven euro gamer to be BS too? Because their video also shows decent scaling beyond 4 cores
 

toyota

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Link? Have you also proven euro gamer to be BS too? Because their video also shows decent scaling beyond 4 cores
I am only referring Techno-Kitchen BS. they had video showing an oced 4790k could not even maintain 60 or even 50 fps in some games yet the 5930 was blowing it away. it was completes BS as I posted a videos in response to that and I was getting nearly twice the frame rate in those same spots they were testing. the 4970k SLI system they use has some issues as it's gpu usage plummets and its not because of the cpu like some people think. even the Eurogamer results showed how screwed up that earlier Techno-Kitchen video that RS used to link to was as they had much higher framerates too.
 
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readers

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I am only referring Techno-Kitchen BS. they had video showing an oced 4790k could not even maintain 60 or even 50 fps in some games yet the 5930 was blowing it away. it was completes BS as I posted a videos in response to that and I was getting nearly twice the frame rate in those same spots they were testing. the 4970k SLI system they use has some issues as it's gpu usage plummets and its not because of the cpu like some people think. even the Eurogamer results showed how screwed up that earlier Techno-Kitchen video that RS used to link to was as they had much higher framerates too.

Well, link to your video? Also, this video looks fine to me, frame rate looks good for a single 980.
 

Ranulf

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"Clock for clock, 5930k significantly faster than 4790k."

And costs $200 more than the 4790k or 6700k.
 

readers

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"Clock for clock, 5930k significantly faster than 4790k."

And costs $200 more than the 4790k or 6700k.

And clock for clock 5820k is same speed as 5930k and cost less...

5930 is really for SLI + PCI-E SSD+ other PCI-E device.
 

Anteaus

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All the Z170/6700K offers over the X99/5820K is a bit of clock speed, an edge that is irrelevant in everything but benchmarks because we are GPU limited currently. In real world game performance with the same GPU its a complete wash. I think the 6700K is a great CPU, but I'd still take the slightly slower 5820K all day long. My Handbrake encode speeds validate that opinion.

X99 buys you the ability to scale, both in core count and in real PCIe lanes. DMI 3.0 is nifty, but in a world where fast SSDs are gobbling up PCIe slots instead of SATA ports, those lanes are increasingly important.

I don't know why people keep throwing price out there. At the enthusiast level, $200 is negligible. Some of you will burn that in cooling solutions alone.

Oh, and we are finally seeing games that unleash the value of having those extra cores.

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/
 

toyota

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Well, link to your video? Also, this video looks fine to me, frame rate looks good for a single 980.
AGAIN I am referring to their earlier video. the crap they had showed before was nonsense yet people kept linking to it acting as if it a 4790k could not even get playable framerates in games like Crysis 3.

their earlier vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZABt8bHgDHo

that shows Crysis 3 dropping into 40s on what "appears" to be cpu limited scenario.

here is my vid in same spot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OZR_W627-w

you can clearly see there is zero chance that the 4790k was the cause of their low framerates.
 
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readers

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AGAIN I am referring to their earlier video. the crap they had showed before was nonsense yet people kept linking to it acting as if it a 4790k could not even get playable framerates in games like Crysis 3.

Well, I am not.

BTW, why you wouldn't like your video response?
 

readers

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All the Z170/6700K offers over the X99/5820K is a bit of clock speed, an edge that is irrelevant in everything but benchmarks because we are GPU limited currently. In real world game performance with the same GPU its a complete wash. I think the 6700K is a great CPU, but I'd still take the slightly slower 5820K all day long. My Handbrake encode speeds validate that opinion.

X99 buys you the ability to scale, both in core count and in real PCIe lanes. DMI 3.0 is nifty, but in a world where fast SSDs are gobbling up PCIe slots instead of SATA ports, those lanes are increasingly important.

I don't know why people keep throwing price out there. At the enthusiast level, $200 is negligible. Some of you will burn that in cooling solutions alone.

Oh, and we are finally seeing games that unleash the value of having those extra cores.

http://www.ashesofthesingularity.com/

IPC too, while I also picked x99 after seeing skylake's performance, the difference in IPC does exist, so not just a little bit of clock speed, also a little bit faster clock for clock per core.

I still maintain ash means nothing, I would not even have heard this game had it not have first public dx 12 benchmark.
 
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