Question 6800 vs 6800XT vs N32

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biostud

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I'm planning to upgrade my system feb/march when the 7800X3D is released so I can decide which 8-core CPU makes most sense to me. I have an Odyssey G9, but I mostly play older games, and world of tanks and no interest in raytracing (at current pricing and performance). The 6800 series seems to offer bester price/performance atm, an N32 arrival is unknown. So what would you do? Buy now before stock is gone, wait and maybe miss out, or something else? I really dont want to spend much more than $800 in Danish prices for a video card.


(Prices for comparison)
3080 10GB ($999)
7900XT ($1142)
4080 ($1570)
 
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Hans Gruber

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Never gonna try that again unless I want to have an excuse to trash my mobo. Ran Pimax VR headset on Z77 with RX 580 using 400W PSU. Clicked on Edge Chrome browser and the card went insane. Now the PCIe slots on that mobo don't work. The card was fine. My theory is that it tried to pull the extra power from the PCIe slot when it couldn't get it from the GPU power connector.
What brand/kind of 400w power supply were you using?
 

Hans Gruber

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Aapje

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Also, ALL GPUs have transients. It only became an issue that reviewers started checking when the 3090 came out because it was triggering the overcurrent protection on PSUs that didn't have big enough caps to cover the transients.

The 4000-series transients seem way less though, so Nvidia seems to actually have focused on reducing them.
 
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biostud

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Only reason I'm not buying right now. 6800 xt is simply not available here and roughly 35% more performance for 47% higher price isn't that bad for longevity and keep getting driver updates...
I know price/performance is close to equal, but since it is not better and the 7900XT is above what I want to spend. Then it is pretty moot. Obviously if it was reversed so that it cost 33% more and delivered 47% more performance, then I would consider it. But that is not the case.

The card is now 500m from me in the mail pickup box, only 4,5 hours until work ends....
 

Kronos1996

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Top Navi 32 probably will be close to the 7900 XT (unless drivers improve.) It’ll be a 6750 XT vs 6800 situation. Navi 22 had half the CU’s of Navi 21 but ~70% of the performance. So Navi 32 with 66% of the CU’s should be like ~85% of the performance. That scales with drivers so if Navi 31 picks up 10-15% from drivers so will Navi 32.
 
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With that said I suggest Seasonic and EVGA power supplies.
It's funny that even EVGA and Seasonic PSUs are not infallible. One of our forum members just recently had to go through hell of troubleshooting with his 13900K/3090 build and after days of madness, EVGA told him that their PSU did not meet their standards. I wonder how that unit left their premises without meeting their standards

I have this PSU NIB: https://www.techpowerup.com/review/seasonic-prime-fanless-700-w/11.html

Unfortunately, did not research it before buying and just trusted the Seasonic name blindly. It has wayyyyy too many cons. Can't even return it since I imported it from USA. Had to get a 1kW unit that was thankfully on sale at a really good price.
 
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MrTeal

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As a broad general rule, on a GPU each power input is independent. The PCIe slot power is connected to a power plane, and each PCIe connector goes to an independent 12V plane. From there, those 12V rails will run to different VRM phases. For simplicity ignoring the minor rails, say you have two memory phases and 12 core power phases. A GPU with a single 8 pin might run 1 memory phase and 2 core phases off the slot and 1 memory and 10 core off the 8 pin. This is fixed by the PCB design, the 12V rail from the slot would only run to 3 phases and the 12V from the power connector would run to the others. The GPU can't really draw more or less power dynamically from individual connectors, they usually increase in lockstep with rising draw.
It's also the reason that a card like my 3080 FTW3 draws very little from the slot even OCed (like 25W), and the 3rd PCIe plug always pulls less power than the first and second. That third plug is just physically connected to fewer power phases than one and two.

The 480 reference issue was that it was a 150W card with a single 6pin connector, so they split everything evenly so that at 150W it would pull 75W from the slot and 75W from the connector. 75W is actually a lot to pull from the slot though, and the 24pin ATX connector also only has 2 wires for all the 12V loads on the MB and in some cases that caused melty issues especially if the board pulled more than 150W and thus >75W from the slot. I'm not sure exactly what their fix ended up being, likely just disabling one of the phases on the slot side to adjust the balance, but it didn't really have anything to do with bad power bars or overloaded circuits.
 

biostud

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Size compared to EVGA (RIP) GTX 1070


Installed in old dusty case, had to remove wifi card to get enough breathing room for the fans. I don't use it ATM so it doesn't matter.


Odyssey G9 for size reference, which I can now run @240Hz compared to 120Hz on the 1070 as it didn't support DSC


Wot Encore RT shadows benchmark
 

Chicken76

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Wow that's a beefy card for sure!
2.5X improvement in ray tracing? Hmm...
But does it run Solitaire with reflections off of glossy cards?
Seriously now, how does it perform in the games you play?
 

biostud

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Wow that's a beefy card for sure!
2.5X improvement in ray tracing? Hmm...
But does it run Solitaire with reflections off of glossy cards?
Seriously now, how does it perform in the games you play?
I mostly play World of Tanks, so that is why I chose that benchmark. It is only the shadows that are ray traced (they are not implemented in the game yet). I was able to go from medium settings to highest settings and double my framerates in game (70-100) . It should be between 2.5-3.0 times faster at same settings in most games, but I will also use it to improve visual quality, so I think I can get 2-2.5 better fps and better visuals. And then in some games I will test FSR 2.x to see how that will affect performance/visuals.
 
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