6800GS AGP announced!

[CKXP]

A lot of people would call you a hardware elitist with money to burn looking at your rig. Others might think you must be poor. It's all relative, so you can't just say "Some people have to take their wife to Red Lobster and buy their kid a scooter" when those aren't options for people beneath your income level and all of the above are options for those above it.

3.0GHz P4 w/800MHz FSB | Asus P4P800SE MB
1GB dual channel PC3200 DDRAM | 200GB WDHD
BFG GeForce 6800GT OC | Antec TrueBlue 480w PSU
Plextor 716A DVD burner | Samsung TS-H352A DVD-ROM


Rollo, there's nothing "poor" about Wolfshanze's sig. not everyone is a hardware enthusiast who needs to spend there hard earned money on the latest and greatest hardware available. i'm pretty sure his rig serves him well enough for his uses. it may not be cutting edge hardware anymore, but it's more than enough for most games out there.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CKXP

A lot of people would call you a hardware elitist with money to burn looking at your rig. Others might think you must be poor. It's all relative, so you can't just say "Some people have to take their wife to Red Lobster and buy their kid a scooter" when those aren't options for people beneath your income level and all of the above are options for those above it.

3.0GHz P4 w/800MHz FSB | Asus P4P800SE MB
1GB dual channel PC3200 DDRAM | 200GB WDHD
BFG GeForce 6800GT OC | Antec TrueBlue 480w PSU
Plextor 716A DVD burner | Samsung TS-H352A DVD-ROM


Rollo, there's nothing "poor" about Wolfshanze's sig. not everyone is a hardware enthusiast who needs to spend there hard earned money on the latest and greatest hardware available. i'm pretty sure his rig serves him well enough for his uses. it may not be cutting edge hardware anymore, but it's more than enough for most games out there.

You're missing the point.

I think his rig is fine, have no problems with it. It wouldn't be fine for ME, but probably is for most.

What I said is he can't make an argument like:

Originally posted by: Wolfshanze
If some 30-year old living in his mother's basement playing video games 24/7 wants to spend all his earnings from his McDonalds job on having the best gaming computer on the planet wants to mock all of us lesser men who have wives and children to support for not having enough spare cash to buy a new MB & CPU every month to keep up with the cellar-dwellers, then let him.

Some people have pretty-decent AGP rigs and just because one slot on their MB doesn't have a shiny plastic sheen to it, shouldn't mean we're not "modern men", or any lesser of people because we choose to cloth our children our take our wives out to dinner instead of buying a whole new system every other month.

He's got to realize that the point he's making really only applies to him, because many people can afford the clothes, dinners, and computers. Many others couldn't afford his computer.


He's generalizing that to afford new PC equipment, you need to be some freeloading geek who's decided to spend all his coin on the PC. (rather than an upstanding family man buying clothes and dinners)

Depends on your family. I know a lot of dual income families where either the wife or husband can cover the mortgage/cars/utilities/etc.. You take that stuff out of the equation and all of the sudden a PCI motherboard and videocard doesn't seem like such a big deal.

I know as many other families where the upgrade would be something saved for and hard considered.

 

[0roo0roo]

the 6600gt was also downclocked for agp i think. no real reason besides making the pcie look better?

coolbits overclocking fixes it quick of course

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: CKXP

A lot of people would call you a hardware elitist with money to burn looking at your rig. Others might think you must be poor. It's all relative, so you can't just say "Some people have to take their wife to Red Lobster and buy their kid a scooter" when those aren't options for people beneath your income level and all of the above are options for those above it.

3.0GHz P4 w/800MHz FSB | Asus P4P800SE MB
1GB dual channel PC3200 DDRAM | 200GB WDHD
BFG GeForce 6800GT OC | Antec TrueBlue 480w PSU
Plextor 716A DVD burner | Samsung TS-H352A DVD-ROM


Rollo, there's nothing "poor" about Wolfshanze's sig. not everyone is a hardware enthusiast who needs to spend there hard earned money on the latest and greatest hardware available. i'm pretty sure his rig serves him well enough for his uses. it may not be cutting edge hardware anymore, but it's more than enough for most games out there.

You're missing the point.

I think his rig is fine, have no problems with it. It wouldn't be fine for ME, but probably is for most.

Except for my video card my rig is faster . . . and you called it "ancient" junk

:thumbsdown:

You are missing the point . . . HW snobs tend to have exactly the same attitude you do.
:Q

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: Rollo

You're missing the point.

I think his rig is fine, have no problems with it. It wouldn't be fine for ME, but probably is for most.

What I said is he can't make an argument like:

Originally posted by: Wolfshanze
If some 30-year old living in his mother's basement playing video games 24/7 wants to spend all his earnings from his McDonalds job on having the best gaming computer on the planet wants to mock all of us lesser men who have wives and children to support for not having enough spare cash to buy a new MB & CPU every month to keep up with the cellar-dwellers, then let him.

Some people have pretty-decent AGP rigs and just because one slot on their MB doesn't have a shiny plastic sheen to it, shouldn't mean we're not "modern men", or any lesser of people because we choose to cloth our children our take our wives out to dinner instead of buying a whole new system every other month.

He's got to realize that the point he's making really only applies to him, because many people can afford the clothes, dinners, and computers. Many others couldn't afford his computer.


He's generalizing that to afford new PC equipment, you need to be some freeloading geek who's decided to spend all his coin on the PC. (rather than an upstanding family man buying clothes and dinners)

Depends on your family. I know a lot of dual income families where either the wife or husband can cover the mortgage/cars/utilities/etc.. You take that stuff out of the equation and all of the sudden a PCI motherboard and videocard doesn't seem like such a big deal.

I know as many other families where the upgrade would be something saved for and hard considered.
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point taken Rollo, but since this thread was based on the "6800GS AGP announced!" and you clearly being Nvidia biased as well as(seems)PCI-E biased. i would like your take on the 6800gs AGP. IMO i feel it would be a nice AGP upgrade from a <-9800pro or <-6600gt if the 400/1100 clocks hold true, especially given the price around $200.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
Except for my video card my rig is faster . . . and you called it "ancient" junk

:thumbsdown:

You are missing the point . . . HW snobs tend to have exactly the same attitude you do.
:Q

LOL- compared to his rig, yours is pretty sad. Hmmm OC P4 2.8 and lowly 9800XT,
or stock P4 3GHz/6800GT- no contest. His computer is actually usable. Your's is an antique. Vidio card is a BIG part of the gaming equation.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: CKXP
[point taken Rollo, but since this thread was based on the "6800GS AGP announced!" and you clearly being Nvidia biased as well as(seems)PCI-E biased. i would like your take on the 6800gs AGP. IMO i feel it would be a nice AGP upgrade from a <-9800pro or <-6600gt if the 400/1100 clocks hold true, especially given the price around $200.

It would be a HUGE upgrade from the cards you mention, even at 350/1GHz.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
Except for my video card my rig is faster . . . and you called it "ancient" junk

:thumbsdown:

You are missing the point . . . HW snobs tend to have exactly the same attitude you do.
:Q

LOL- compared to his rig, yours is pretty sad. Hmmm OC P4 2.8 and lowly 9800XT,
or stock P4 3GHz/6800GT- no contest. His computer is actually usable. Your's is an antique. Vidio card is a BIG part of the gaming equation.

Define usable. Your definition of usable is possibly quite different than his definition of usable. Up until last week, I was doing quite fine with a 9800pro at 450/400, which is granted a little faster than a 9800xt, but not enough to make a difference. Its still enough to run almost anything at 1024x768, medium to high settings.

I mean, seriously, rollo, you make some good points, but your caustic language makes other people dislike you alot. There is simply no reason for you to be so inflamitory.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
Except for my video card my rig is faster . . . and you called it "ancient" junk

:thumbsdown:

You are missing the point . . . HW snobs tend to have exactly the same attitude you do.
:Q

LOL- compared to his rig, yours is pretty sad. Hmmm OC P4 2.8 and lowly 9800XT,
or stock P4 3GHz/6800GT- no contest. His computer is actually usable. Your's is an antique. Vidio card is a BIG part of the gaming equation.

You are truely clueless outside of video:
:thumbsdown:


His rig: My rig: Bold

3.0GHz P4 w/800MHz FSB | Asus P4P800SE MB 3.5GHz P4 w/800[+]MHz FSB/Abit IC7 MB
1GB dual channel PC3200 DDRAM | 1GB dual channel PC3500 DDRAM
BFG GeForce 6800GT OC | Radeon 9800xt
Antec TrueBlue 480w PSU Thermaltake 480w PS


i DID say EXCEPT for my videocard the systems are very similar - mine being faster.
:roll:

edited

 

[Wolfshanze]

Damn... I never knew my sig-line would be such a source of conflict... especially being as outdated as it is!

I guess we won't talk about my wife's 2.4GHz P4 w/6600GT or my "backup" computer with a 1.7GHz Celeron and a FX5900 video card (all AGP, gasp!).

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
You are truely clueless outside of video:
:thumbsdown:


His rig: My rig: Bold

3.0GHz P4 w/800MHz FSB | Asus P4P800SE MB 3.5GHz P4 w/800[+]MHz FSB/Abit IC7 MB
1GB dual channel PC3200 DDRAM | 1GB dual channel PC3500 DDRAM
BFG GeForce 6800GT OC | Radeon 9800xt
Antec TrueBlue 480w PSU Thermaltake 480w PS


i DID say EXCEPT for my videocard the systems are very similar - mine being faster.
:roll:

edited

OK, you want it straight up apparently, rather than politely:

Apoppin, your rig is pathetic compared to his.

If you think your 500MHz advantage CPU and slightly faster RAM somehow make your system "roughly" equivalent to his, you are on the pipe.

Your systems are close enough that the video card is the only thing that matters. 500MHz on crappy P4s is no big deal.
Intel CPUs- teh joke
HL2 is a CPU limited game, so this is a BEST case scenario for you actually having something faster than him. Ooh, maybe 8-9 fps!

FEAR
On a GPU limited game like FEAR, the difference between a P4 3GHz and a P4 3.8GHz is a whole 3-4 fps!

Most new games will be somewhere between the two, with the big shooters leaning toward the FEAR "no appreciable gain" scenario.

 

[apoppin]

As i said, Rollo, you confirm you are a HW snob.

So - according to you - if i stick a $200 AGP 6800GS in my rig, it "magically" jumps from parthetic to fine?
:Q
You're arguments are ridiculous
:thumbsdown:

you also conveniently forget that i am "in between" cards, using a "spare" . . . looking daily in Hot Deals with CC in hand.

edit - lets look at every OTHER benchmark - except video games - comparing his system to mine. . . .
:roll:

 

[NoStateofMind]

Well let's solve this once and for all, you guys get together and go HERE and see who has the better system. And then we can drop it right?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
As i said, Rollo, you confirm you are a HW snob.

So - according to you - if i stick a $200 AGP 6800GS in my rig, it "magically" jumps from parthetic to fine?
:Q
You're arguments are ridiculous
:thumbsdown:

you also conveniently forget that i am "in between" cards, using a "spare" . . . looking daily in Hot Deals with CC in hand.

edit - lets look at every OTHER benchmark - except video games - comparing his system to mine. . . .
:roll:

Video games are all that matter to me Apoppin.

And yes, going to a 6800GS would be the big step up for you.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
As i said, Rollo, you confirm you are a HW snob.

So - according to you - if i stick a $200 AGP 6800GS in my rig, it "magically" jumps from parthetic to fine?
:Q
You're arguments are ridiculous
:thumbsdown:

you also conveniently forget that i am "in between" cards, using a "spare" . . . looking daily in Hot Deals with CC in hand.

edit - lets look at every OTHER benchmark - except video games - comparing his system to mine. . . .
:roll:

Video games are all that matter to me Apoppin.

And yes, going to a 6800GS would be the big step up for you.

You came close to the truth . . . you mean

Video [Hardware is] all that matter to me Apoppin.

So my spending aproximately $100 over selling my xt, would take my system from "pathic" to "fine"?
:Q

ridiculous

there is much more to a system than a videocard

edited

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

there is much more to a system than a videocard

edited

Not really Apoppin, at least in the world of modern gaming.

You see most games these days are more gpu limited than cpu limited: Riddick, Far Cry, Doom 3, Quake 4, Fear, Cod2, Serious Sam2- all these games take more graphics power than CPU power.

Once you've got a A64 3000+ level card and above, you can't do much more for yourself with faster cpus.

BTW I've played UT2004 3X tonight and replayed the first four levels of Serious Sam2. Yeah, I'm never gaming...
:roll:

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

there is much more to a system than a videocard

edited

Not really Apoppin, at least in the world of modern gaming.

You see most games these days are more gpu limited than cpu limited: Riddick, Far Cry, Doom 3, Quake 4, Fear, Cod2, Serious Sam2- all these games take more graphics power than CPU power.

Once you've got a A64 3000+ level card and above, you can't do much more for yourself with faster cpus.

BTW I've played UT2004 3X tonight and replayed the first four levels of Serious Sam2. Yeah, I'm never gaming...
:roll:

absolutely ridiculous - except to a Video Hardware Snob.

ANYONE else here in video feel that the difference between a PATHETIC system and a FINE system is solely determined by having either a 9800xt or a 6800GS?


and i am hoping for - and will buy - a much better card than the 6800GS . . . in AGP - as soon as it becomes available.

edit: you REplayed the first four LEVELS of SS2 - tonight? i find that VERY hard to believe
:Q
[except in God Mode . . . is that how you "play"?]

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

there is much more to a system than a videocard

edited

Not really Apoppin, at least in the world of modern gaming.

You see most games these days are more gpu limited than cpu limited: Riddick, Far Cry, Doom 3, Quake 4, Fear, Cod2, Serious Sam2- all these games take more graphics power than CPU power.

Once you've got a A64 3000+ level card and above, you can't do much more for yourself with faster cpus.

BTW I've played UT2004 3X tonight and replayed the first four levels of Serious Sam2. Yeah, I'm never gaming...
:roll:

absolutely ridiculous - except to a Video Hardware Snob.

ANYONE else here in video feel that the difference between a PATHETIC system and a FINE system is solely determined by having either a 9800xt or a 6800GS?


and i am hoping for - and will buy - a much better card than the 6800GS . . . in AGP - as soon as it becomes available.

edit: you REplayed the first four LEVELS of SS2 - tonight? i find that VERY hard to believe
:Q
[except in God Mode . . . is that how you "play"?]

This whole argument is ridiculous, like most of my discussions with you have been.

First, we were talking about 6800GTs, not GSs, to start with. Yes, 6800GTs are a LOT faster than your Radeon antique, but I'd say the same if you had a 5900 antique. You're the one making this an ATI vs nVidia thing, never occurred to me. Big difference going from a 8 pipe card to a 16 pipe card that has much better RAM and vertex preocessors you know?
:roll:

As far as SSII goes, I don't know how it's "levels" are arranged, but I saw my score three times and am at the part you take over the turrets. My son thinks SS is funny, so I was blitzing through the levels on "Easy" to amuse him. On "Easy" if you can strafe, you live.

Only one thing is sure Apoppin'- whatever gaming you do, mine looks WAAAAAYYYYYYYY better!

 

[Paratus]

Well I guess I didn't miss much while on console tonight. Same arguemts from Rollo.

(BTW check out the FS article on Q4. P4 3.2 with HT now compete with A64 3800+ when using SMP!)

posted via Palm Life Drive

 

[imported_Sincity]

Ok...all of you guys have better system specs than my XP 1700+ OC'd to 2ghz, 1gb Corsair XMS, 5900XT. I just want to play BF 2 at a decent resolution and speed.

So let's stay on topic! I'm looking forward to this one last upgrade that will hopefully keep me going for another year or two till AMD releases their new Socket configuration. Hopefully this new Socket will be around as long as Socket A/462 in comparison to Socket 754/939. Currently my system specs satisfies my occasional gaming. I can run BF 2 at 1024 x 768 at min details. Why do I need to spend $300-$500 for CPU/MB upgrade just to have a PCI-E video card? Some people have different priorities on where to spend their hard earned money.

Not all of us are willing to spend that kind of money. Oh..BTW...my wife and I are both degreed Professionals and she runs her own CPA practice....so let's keep income/jobs out of this conversation, please.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Paratus
Well I guess I didn't miss much while on console tonight. Same arguemts from Rollo.

(BTW check out the FS article on Q4. P4 3.2 with HT now compete with A64 3800+ when using SMP!)

posted via Palm Life Drive

Those gains are impressive, that's a good article. It's just one game though.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Sincity
Ok...all of you guys have better system specs than my XP 1700+ OC'd to 2ghz, 1gb Corsair XMS, 5900XT. I just want to play BF 2 at a decent resolution and speed.

So let's stay on topic! I'm looking forward to this one last upgrade that will hopefully keep me going for another year or two till AMD releases their new Socket configuration. Hopefully this new Socket will be around as long as Socket A/462 in comparison to Socket 754/939. Currently my system specs satisfies my occasional gaming. I can run BF 2 at 1024 x 768 at min details. Why do I need to spend $300-$500 for CPU/MB upgrade just to have a PCI-E video card?

Not all of us are willing to spend that kind of money. Oh..BTW...my wife and I are both degreed Professionals and she runs her own CPA practice....so let's keep income out of this conversation, please.

You have the money to upgrade your well used equipment, you should just do so.

Having this conversation with you is like listening to Donald Trump say "Wahh! Buggle gum now costs a quarter a gumball! I want it to still be a dime!".

Leave the pining for the good old days of AGP to others, unless you like to waste your free time.

 

[imported_Sincity]

You have the money to upgrade your well used equipment, you should just do so.

Having this conversation with you is like listening to Donald Trump say "Wahh! Buggle gum now costs a quarter a gumball! I want it to still be a dime!".

Leave the pining for the good old days of AGP to others, unless you like to waste your free time.

Rollo, this is hardly the response I would expect from a "Professional" like yourself.

Let's just stay on topic.......

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: Sincity

You have the money to upgrade your well used equipment, you should just do so.

Having this conversation with you is like listening to Donald Trump say "Wahh! Buggle gum now costs a quarter a gumball! I want it to still be a dime!".

Leave the pining for the good old days of AGP to others, unless you like to waste your free time.

Rollo, this is hardly the response I would expect from a "Professional" like yourself.

Let's just stay on topic.......

yeah, seems like he's been on a roll or should i say "Rollo" all day(corny i know):disgust: anyways....are you looking to upgrade your sytem to hold you over, or are you sticking with what you got til socket M2 comes available? oh by the way welcome to the forums Sincity

 

[imported_Sincity]

CKXP: I am doing what you exactly said. Something to hold me over since Socket M2 has been announced recently. Socket A/462 had a good run of many years though the bus speeds has increased over the years. That kind of leaves me out on a complete upgrade since Socket 754/939 does not appear to have a long of a run as A/462. Had M2 not have been announced so soon.....I would probably have jumped on the 939/PCI-E bandwagon within the next few months.

I just want to play BF2 with more eye candy

Oh and thanks for the welcome . After reading Rollo's ranting, I had to join and deposit my $.02