6800GS AGP announced!

[CKXP]

http://theinquirer.net/?article=28504

apoppin, posted that link earlier, seems to be promising if the price rivals it pci-e counterpart.

6800xt agp, i think Trunkks posted a thread earlier on he managed to unlock all 16pipes on the card, could be a steal
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814121206

the 6600gt will be a nice improvement over your 5900xt
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130220

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Sincity
CKXP: I am doing what you exactly said. Something to hold me over since Socket M2 has been announced recently. Socket A/462 had a good run of many years though the bus speeds has increased over the years. That kind of leaves me out on a complete upgrade since Socket 754/939 does not appear to have a long of a run as A/462. Had M2 not have been announced so soon.....I would probably have jumped on the 939/PCI-E bandwagon within the next few months.

I just want to play BF2 with more eye candy

Oh and thanks for the welcome . After reading Rollo's ranting, I had to join and deposit my $.02

LOL- you should listen to Rollo's ranting and loose your clutch on the cash.

If a A64 4000+ can only push the fastest AGP cards to 60fps at 10X7 4X8X, what do you think your 2GHz AXP is going to do?

AXPs don't seem to fare so well in modern gaming?

 

[imported_Sincity]

CKXP: Thanks for the constructive input and links.

Rollo: This thread is not about the XP vs. A64 etc....I do not dispute the facts that the Athlon 64 is superior to the old XPs. THIS THREAD is about people who want to stretch the usage of their AGP systems prior to a full MB/CPU upgrade. Why does it bother you so much that people are not ready to dump useful "prior-gen" systems? There are also some of us out there with Socket 939 systems and AGP interfaces. Not all of us need the full SLI rig like what you have. You have an awesome rig...sure I would like it. But do I really need it? Not all of us are hardcore games.

BTW-Thanks for the link on the CPU comparisons. I find that useful.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin

there is much more to a system than a videocard

edited

Not really Apoppin, at least in the world of modern gaming.

You see most games these days are more gpu limited than cpu limited: Riddick, Far Cry, Doom 3, Quake 4, Fear, Cod2, Serious Sam2- all these games take more graphics power than CPU power.

Once you've got a A64 3000+ level card and above, you can't do much more for yourself with faster cpus.

BTW I've played UT2004 3X tonight and replayed the first four levels of Serious Sam2. Yeah, I'm never gaming...
:roll:

absolutely ridiculous - except to a Video Hardware Snob.

ANYONE else here in video feel that the difference between a PATHETIC system and a FINE system is solely determined by having either a 9800xt or a 6800GS?


and i am hoping for - and will buy - a much better card than the 6800GS . . . in AGP - as soon as it becomes available.

edit: you REplayed the first four LEVELS of SS2 - tonight? i find that VERY hard to believe
:Q
[except in God Mode . . . is that how you "play"?]

This whole argument is ridiculous, like most of my discussions with you have been.

First, we were talking about 6800GTs, not GSs, to start with. Yes, 6800GTs are a LOT faster than your Radeon antique, but I'd say the same if you had a 5900 antique. You're the one making this an ATI vs nVidia thing, never occurred to me. Big difference going from a 8 pipe card to a 16 pipe card that has much better RAM and vertex preocessors you know?
:roll:

As far as SSII goes, I don't know how it's "levels" are arranged, but I saw my score three times and am at the part you take over the turrets. My son thinks SS is funny, so I was blitzing through the levels on "Easy" to amuse him. On "Easy" if you can strafe, you live.

Only one thing is sure Apoppin'- whatever gaming you do, mine looks WAAAAAYYYYYYYY better!

i guess yours IS bigger even though you appear to be immature in every other respect.
:roll:

. . . agreed on one thing . . . your argument IS ridiculous and the more you say the more "proof" we have - as if we ever needed any - that you are a HW snob - not a gamer. . . . Play on "Easy" sure, to look at the gfx and criticize other peoples' rigs; not play the game.

My "radeon Antique" isn't much slower than the 6600GT . . . which is why i skipped a generation . . . 6800GT or 6800GS - big difference to you? i want something faster than either - if available in AGP

You said my rig was PATHETIC . . . yet a similar but SLOWER rig with a $200 MSRP [nVidia] faster video card is FINE . . .
:thumbsdown:

absolutely ridiculous
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Originally posted by: Sincity

Rollo: This thread is not about the XP vs. A64 etc....I do not dispute the facts that the Athlon 64 is superior to the old XPs. THIS THREAD is about people who want to stretch the usage of their AGP systems prior to a full MB/CPU upgrade. Why does it bother you so much that people are not ready to dump useful "prior-gen" systems? There are also some of us out there with Socket 939 systems and AGP interfaces. Not all of us need the full SLI rig like what you have. You have an awesome rig...sure I would like it. But do I really need it? Not all of us are hardcore games.

Rollo is anything BUT a "hardcore" gamer . . . try "elitist video HW snob" that doesn't finish ANY games but likes to put down other peoples rigs on the basis of how much they spend . . .
. . . and welcome to video, Sincity . . . it's ain't like any other AT forum - except P&N.

edited

 

[superkdogg]

So, I read ALL this pissing match and still never got my answer on how the GS might OC and if the other 4 pipes are unlockable. I guess I'll go with my gut instinct-

It's a 6800NU with faster ram. Somebody usefully mentioned that the gap between NU and GT was too big and this is the filler.

I think I'll go shave off my face with a cheese grater now.

Merry Christmas to all of you!

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: superkdogg
So, I read ALL this pissing match and still never got my answer on how the GS might OC and if the other 4 pipes are unlockable. I guess I'll go with my gut instinct-

It's a 6800NU with faster ram. Somebody usefully mentioned that the gap between NU and GT was too big and this is the filler.

I think I'll go shave off my face with a cheese grater now.

Merry Christmas to all of you!

i didn't see you question and i read ALL the posts

there are reviews on the GS . . .try 'search' . . . evidently it is the near=equal of the 6800GT [90+% performance] and O/C's pretty well at a much lower price - forget unlocking the "extra" four pipes . . . Great bang-for-buck . . . i am considering one if the high end cards don't come in agp.
:thumbsup:

edit . . .

shaving your beard with a cheese grater isn't a good idea . . . even Bic makes a better razor . . .

Merry Xmas!

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: superkdogg
So, I read ALL this pissing match and still never got my answer on how the GS might OC and if the other 4 pipes are unlockable. I guess I'll go with my gut instinct-

It's a 6800NU with faster ram. Somebody usefully mentioned that the gap between NU and GT was too big and this is the filler.

I think I'll go shave off my face with a cheese grater now.

Merry Christmas to all of you!

Merry Christmas to everbody, and happy B-day to me, turn 30 today:Q, i'm gonna spend my day with my little boys(2)
anyways i guess well have to wait and see on how well the 6800gs agp stacks up against it pci-e counterpart. i'm guessing overclocks to 430-440mhz tops on the core(since it's NV40), and 1150-1200? on the memory. my 6800gt tops out at 440mhz and 1150mhz on the memory.

 

[imported_Sincity]

Happy B-Day to CKXP and Merry X-Mas to all (incl you Rollo )

 

[superkdogg]

Sorry A-Popizzle. I did this newfangled "search" thing because I had a question. I chose not to start a new thread with my question because this "searching" is evidently somehow preferable.

The reviews that you're talking about....are they for the AGP version? That's the only one I'm interested in. I (like at least one other in this thread) think it's a bad idea to get a new mobo right now (for me at least) since a socket switch is imminent.

BTW, I wasn't talking about my beard....I literally meant my face, but I called my therapist and he says I should be alright as long as I continue to rock really fast and mumble about the killer clowns.

Merry Merry to all of you. Seriously-be safe and I hope that you and yours are happy.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: superkdogg
Sorry A-Popizzle. I did this newfangled "search" thing because I had a question. I chose not to start a new thread with my question because this "searching" is evidently somehow preferable.

The reviews that you're talking about....are they for the AGP version? That's the only one I'm interested in. I (like at least one other in this thread) think it's a bad idea to get a new mobo right now (for me at least) since a socket switch is imminent.

BTW, I wasn't talking about my beard....I literally meant my face, but I called my therapist and he says I should be alright as long as I continue to rock really fast and mumble about the killer clowns.

Merry Merry to all of you. Seriously-be safe and I hope that you and yours are happy.

i believe the AGP and PCIe versions are very close. Just use care which 6800GS you pick . . . i believe the Albatron GS is much slower than the XFX GS:

This card is clocked at 400MHz core, 1100MHz memory, an important 50 MHz faster than the recently announced Albatron card. Memory wise the card is 100MHz faster than Nvidia's recommended speed.

from my theInq link on the first page.

OK, shave your face . . .what's the difference? . . . you beard still gets cut . . . and i still prefer a BIC razor to a cheese grater [barely].

Speaking of Killer Clowns . . . Serious Sam2 has 'em as well as Painkiller/BOoH.
:thumbsup:

Happy B-day! :Q to CKXP and Merry Xmas {happy Holidays} to ALL!

 

[coldpower27]

Merry Christmas to all.

6800 GS seems allright just not as good as the PCI-E version unfortunately.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: coldpower27
Merry Christmas to all.

6800 GS seems allright just not as good as the PCI-E version unfortunately.

what difference are you finding between the agp GS and the pciE GS?

i think a lot depends on nvidia's partners regarding Performance. That said . . . the AGP or PCIe 6800GT is a better performer than the 6800GS . . . but [probably] not worth $100 more.

 

[superkdogg]

I read that the iE version is the NV42 core and the AGP version is the 40's. The difference (assuming that's true) is that the 42's were made with 12 pipes and on the .090 process while the 40's have 16 pipes (4 disabled in GS) and are on the .11 process.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong-this is from memory.

Edited the 16 pipes to say that 4 are disabled in GS.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: superkdogg
I read that the iE version is the NV42 core and the AGP version is the 40's. The difference (assuming that's true) is that the 42's were made with 12 pipes and on the .090 process while the 40's have 16 pipes (4 disabled in GS) and are on the .11 process.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong-this is from memory.

Edited the 16 pipes to say that 4 are disabled in GS.

i thought that was the difference between the GS and GT. . . . the GS makes up for its disabled quad by having a faster core and vRAM.


where is Rollo when you finally need him?




opening presents at his Dad's house, no doubt

 

[Cobalt60]

I thought the XFX card was going to be clocked faster?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/6800_Series.html

This pre-order link shows it clocked at 350MHz Core Engine Clock speed.

Also http://www.xfxforce.com/ shows the Engine Clock at 350mhz for the XFX GeForce 6800 GS 256 MB DDR3 8X AGP .

 

[apoppin]

from theinq:

there are some not so subtle differences between the PCI Express and AGP version. The GeForce 6800GS for PCI Express is a respin of well-known NV41 chip with native PCI Express interface (NV41a) and 6800GS AGP is actually the original NV41, first 110nano chip for nVIDIA. The NV41 chip was also known as "6800 with working PureVideo acceleration", altough you loose one Quad (4 Pixel Processors) and a Vertex Shader. The board pretty much looks the same as any 6800 and 6800GT board with single-slot cooling, and is sharing the clock-speed with 6800GT. So, the 6800GS AGP works at 350 MHz for the 12 pipe GPU, and 1000 MHz for 256MB of GDDR-3 memory.

Altough the PCIe version of the board works at 425 MHz, the AGP version is clocked less by whole 75 MHz. If you ask yourselves why, we can't think about anything else but politics. Our guess is that nVIDIA tries to make PCI Express look better by higher clocking the PCIe products

and now there are differences between AGP Albatron and AGP XFX - both GS cores and memory are clocked differently

 

[Cobalt60]

That sucks, I've resorted to buying a "used" BFG 6800 GT 256mb AGP card off of EBay to keep my current motherboard running. The 6800 GS AGP looked promising.

 

[imported_Sincity]

Don't worry Cobalt. I believe your GT is still a better performer.

 

[superkdogg]

Welcome Cobalt.

If your GT stands the test of time, it's about the best AGP card out. I wouldn't be ashamed of that at all.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: apoppin
your argument IS ridiculous and the more you say the more "proof" we have - as if we ever needed any - that you are a HW snob - not a gamer. . . . Play on "Easy" sure, to look at the gfx and criticize other peoples' rigs; not play the game.

Dude- are you from this country? Planet?
I said:

My son thinks SS is funny, so I was blitzing through the levels on "Easy" to amuse him.

I didn't say I was trying for a difficult gaming experience, I didn't say I was trying to challenge myself, I said my son thinks the game is funny so I was walking through the levels to amuse him.
I said I also played UT2004 online three times, and there's no difficulty setting at that, is there?
I don't even think I can talk to you, you can't be as stupid as you appear to be, it's almost impossible.
I think you're a little kid, or a really lonely adult who just wants to argue with me, and I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore.
I might point out the errors in your blabbering for others so no one is fooled by your ranting, but this is the last I will address you.

Not like we have much to discuss anyway, I was considering your parts three years ago, you'll be considering mine in three years, unless one of us buys a time machine, we're out of synch.

 

[CKXP]

Originally posted by: Cobalt60
That sucks, I've resorted to buying a "used" BFG 6800 GT 256mb AGP card off of EBay to keep my current motherboard running. The 6800 GS AGP looked promising.

i just bought one last week, running smooth at 425/1100, for $240 new off e-bay, a good deal IMO.

 

[Wolfshanze]

So, I read ALL this pissing match and still never got my answer on how the GS might OC and if the other 4 pipes are unlockable. I guess I'll go with my gut instinct-
It's a 6800NU with faster ram. Somebody usefully mentioned that the gap between NU and GT was too big and this is the filler.

Actually, it's NOT a 6800NU with faster ram and a faster clock, rather it's a 6800GT MINUS four pipes.

If you look at the specs, my money is on the fact that NVidia's REFERANCE specs for the AGP version of the 6800GS is essentially what I just said... clock and memory is IDENTICAL to the 6800GT, but there's four pipes gone (disabled, missing, cut, whatever).

Let's not compare the AGP 6800GS at all to the PCI-E version... they're completely differant cores, so let's talk what is obvious... it's an N40 core, and specs-wise looks to be the same as the 6800GT minus four pipes. PERIOD.

My bet is that the XFX AGP 6800GS has a faster clock much like a lot of BFG cards do... I think they simply overclocked NVidia's referance specs (my hunch anyways).

It seems clear to me NVidia released the AGP version of this card as a 6800GT minus four pipes with all other specs intact... I think XFX just bumped up the clock speeds a bit ala the BFG treatment.

It looks like the 6800GT in AGP flavor is still clearly the faster of the two cards (as was intended by NVidia anyways). The million dollar question is this: Are the pipes on the AGP 6800GS unlockable? If they are, you got a cheap 6800GT... if they aren't, you'll ALWAYS be slower then the AGP 6800GT.

I think that sums it up from what we know.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: apoppin
your argument IS ridiculous and the more you say the more "proof" we have - as if we ever needed any - that you are a HW snob - not a gamer. . . . Play on "Easy" sure, to look at the gfx and criticize other peoples' rigs; not play the game.

Dude- are you from this country? Planet?
I said:

My son thinks SS is funny, so I was blitzing through the levels on "Easy" to amuse him.

I didn't say I was trying for a difficult gaming experience, I didn't say I was trying to challenge myself, I said my son thinks the game is funny so I was walking through the levels to amuse him.
I said I also played UT2004 online three times, and there's no difficulty setting at that, is there?
I don't even think I can talk to you, you can't be as stupid as you appear to be, it's almost impossible.
I think you're a little kid, or a really lonely adult who just wants to argue with me, and I'm not going to waste my time with you anymore.
I might point out the errors in your blabbering for others so no one is fooled by your ranting, but this is the last I will address you.

Not like we have much to discuss anyway, I was considering your parts three years ago, you'll be considering mine in three years, unless one of us buys a time machine, we're out of synch.

naturally . . . you take a troll's way out . . . nitpick little crap and IGNORE the issues raised . . . one more time You said my rig was PATHETIC . . . yet a similar but SLOWER rig with a $200 MSRP [nVidia] faster video card is FINE -

Ridiculous . . . that is my only point beside noting your obvious and annoying elitism.

 

[superkdogg]

Actually, it's NOT a 6800NU with faster ram and a faster clock, rather it's a 6800GT MINUS four pipes.

Dude, look @ what you wrote. There are only three major differences with 6800nu and 6800GT. 12 vs. 16 pipes, 5 vs. 6 shaders (minimal), and memory speed. I throw out clockspeed because it can be brough up on the nu to nearly the same, but the lack of pipes and memory bottleneck keep the nu way behind-not the clockspeed.

That being said, I will stand by my statement that if the remaining 4 pipes of the GS are not unlockable it's like a nu with faster memory.

Now....if the are unlockable, it will look very good in my case!

 

[Wolfshanze]

Dude, look @ what you wrote. There are only three major differences with 6800nu and 6800GT. 12 vs. 16 pipes, 5 vs. 6 shaders (minimal), and memory speed.

I did look at what I wrote. I'm counting the NUMBER of differances.

There's more differances between the 6800NU and either of it's bigger brothers then there is between the 6800GS and 6800GT.

The NU is clocked slower then the GT, it has fewer shaders then the GT, it has differant memory type then the GT, it has fewer pipes then the GT. That's FOUR differances.

The GS has fewer pipes then the GT. That's ONE differance from the GT, and three closer to the GT then the NU.

The 6800GS a much closer a cousin to the GT then it is to the NU. The NU is a heavily hacked GT; speed, shaders, memory, pipes are all differant. The GS is just missing the extra pipes... nothing else. I stand by the statement the GS is a much closer cousin of the GT then the NU.

Oh... almost forgot... MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYBODY!