6800GS AGP

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: helto
Is this enough to satisfy some of the doubters?


Helto

i dunno . . . Wolfie?

HOT! EVGA 6800GS 1 day sale $189.99not sure this is still on.

please show more about the UNlocking and O/C'ing
[proof that it IS unlocked]

That hot deal was for the PCIe version, da eggs price on the AGP is a rip, Monarch has the eVGA for sub $220 shipped. Your X850XT for $200 is scorching by comparison though. When will you have it?

I'd like to see more proof too. The screenies of it in RT do not tell us if it is artifacting or otherwise borked for actual use.

 

[Wolfshanze]

Do you have to be so scepticle about everything?

I like how you focused on one part of my post, but ignored my own correction in the very same post:

Then again, the "Hardware Masked" bit seems to say something too that wouldn't be on a GT? Just making sure it's a GS!

I'm not the only person who believes in having proof before making claims of the next miracle. Even unlocking a card is NO PROOF that it is artifact-free and stable.

Appopin: please show more about the UNlocking and O/C'ing [proof that it IS unlocked] ... Dapunisher: I'd like to see more proof too. The screenies of it in RT do not tell us if it is artifacting or otherwise borked for actual use.

I hope you don't think everything should be taken at face value without confirmation. I like the old Reagan quote of "Trust, but verify". What's so horrible about that?

Oh , and I'm waiting for that other "White Elephant" to show up. When it does....be prepared to eat your words.

What "other" White Elephant? If you're going to quote people you better get it straight. I only said there was ONE White Elephant... and that's a 450MHz AGP 6800GS... I never called unlocking the GS a "White Elephant".

So when are you going to eat your own words about being so confident of the 100MHz faster stock AGP 6800GS? You're lucky that you can literally wait forever before eating your own words, always hoping for the day your White Elephant will come... because I have news for you... that day will not happen.

I'm sorry if you don't agree with people who like to have their feet firmly planted on the ground. I like proof before I buy... I like to see it before I am a believer in empty promises. I seem to recall somebody else around here swearing up and down that the AGP 6800GS will give EQUAL performance to a 6800U for $200... I have yet to see that a reality. Nonetheless, that person isn't eating their own words, now are they PC Surgeon?

 

[NoStateofMind]

Deleted post out of respect

 

[Wolfshanze]

lol Maybe you need a vacation or something. Just ask your boss, tell him about the stress of AnandTech and that you need to get away for awhile.

Actually I'm RETIRING from the USAF in three months... I'm also posting from work, so I'm not all that stressed out!

I'm all for a good value AGP card... Lord knows the AGP world needs a good value... Like I said before... "TRUST, BUT VERIFY". Nothing wrong with that, eh?

I think you're more likely to be seeing pink elephants before you see that white elephant!

 

[joincamp]

i'll try to get you guys a fraps too once I get my card in and all working to prove there is no artifacting.

 

[Wolfshanze]

That'll be good joincamp! The more we can verify, the better the deal the AGP 6800GS becomes.

 

[imported_helto]

Hi,

I have tried overclocking the card.

350/1000 4556 3dMark05 marks
375/1000 4744
400/1000 4794
400/1100 4746

I don't really know what it all means or if these results are any good.

My system is

P4 2.53Ghz 533fsb
Gigabyte 865PE chipset
1.5GB Ram in Dual Channel mode


Helto

 

[zagood]

Hmmmmm interesting...my unlocked 6800NU gets 4744 @ 410/920 (nibitor upped voltage and ram timings).

-z

 

[wolf68k]

Originally posted by: helto
Hi,

I have tried overclocking the card.

350/1000 4556 3dMark05 marks
375/1000 4744
400/1000 4794
400/1100 4746

I don't really know what it all means or if these results are any good.

My system is

P4 2.53Ghz 533fsb
Gigabyte 865PE chipset
1.5GB Ram in Dual Channel mode


Helto

Something about these scores bothers me. First let me ask, did you happen to run 3DMark05 before unlocking and OC'ing it?

Now for why it bothers me. In theory if you unlock it and OC it to 400/1100 then that's the same as a 6800Ultra, right?
Tom's Hardware did a round for AGP from Summer '05 and the difference between a 6800 and 6800 Ultra is almost 1700 points, and between a GT and Ultra is about 400 points. But you're only showing a 200point increase.
True, Tom's Hardware used a difference/faster CPU but I still would have expected to see a more noticable increase in that benchmark.

 

[imported_helto]

Hi wolf68k.

No I did not run 3DMark05 before unlocking the pipes. I never gave it a thought. What does bother me though is the similarity between the results.

350/1000 4556 3dMark05 marks
375/1000 4744
400/1000 4794
400/1100 4746

I am also confused as to why the difference in score between 375/1000 and 400/1100 is only 2 marks and the 400/1000 is the highest.

As far as gameplay is concerned I am running COD2 at 1280/1024 with everything set at maximum using DX7 mode and I am averaging well over 80fps.

However I have just downloaded the Serious Sam 2 demo and that game, at a similar resolution, is very choppy.


Helto

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: helto
Hi wolf68k.

No I did not run 3DMark05 before unlocking the pipes. I never gave it a thought. What does bother me though is the similarity between the results.

350/1000 4556 3dMark05 marks
375/1000 4744
400/1000 4794
400/1100 4746

I am also confused as to why the difference in score between 375/1000 and 400/1100 is only 2 marks and the 400/1000 is the highest.

As far as gameplay is concerned I am running COD2 at 1280/1024 with everything set at maximum using DX7 mode and I am averaging well over 80fps.

However I have just downloaded the Serious Sam 2 demo and that game, at a similar resolution, is very choppy.


Helto

Why DX7 mode for CoD2?

Is Serious Sam2 patched amd do you have the latest drivers?

 

[fliguy84]

Originally posted by: helto
Hi wolf68k.

No I did not run 3DMark05 before unlocking the pipes. I never gave it a thought. What does bother me though is the similarity between the results.

350/1000 4556 3dMark05 marks
375/1000 4744
400/1000 4794
400/1100 4746

I am also confused as to why the difference in score between 375/1000 and 400/1100 is only 2 marks and the 400/1000 is the highest.

As far as gameplay is concerned I am running COD2 at 1280/1024 with everything set at maximum using DX7 mode and I am averaging well over 80fps.

However I have just downloaded the Serious Sam 2 demo and that game, at a similar resolution, is very choppy.


Helto

that's weird. are you sure that your overclocking 'stick'? i mean, that is your card really runs at that speed.

you can check this by running the Rivatuner hardware monitoring in the background while benchmarking.

 

[Wolfshanze]

As far as gameplay is concerned I am running COD2 at 1280/1024 with everything set at maximum using DX7 mode and I am averaging well over 80fps.

However I have just downloaded the Serious Sam 2 demo and that game, at a similar resolution, is very choppy.

Hmmm... the whole point of DX7 mode in CoD2 is so that people with GeForce-3's and old video cards can play the game with a decent frame rate... playing CoD2 in DX7 mode disables damn-near every video-card straining feature in the game. CoD2 in DX7 mode is about as strenuos on your card as running Quake-3. You're playing video games like it's 1999.

Setting "Everything to Max" in CoD2 using DX7 is still a low setting compared to any version of CoD2 in DX9 mode. It's like saying "I was speeding down the racetrack on my moped". If you want to test your video card on CoD2, it needs to be in DX9 mode.

Serious Sam 2 is a DX9 game... it will test your video card, that is for sure. Now, if you toggle DX9 back-on in CoD2, then you can get a more fair comparison of Seriuos Sam 2 and CoD2 as they will both be fully featured. I suspect if SS2 is choppy, then CoD2 would also be if you enabled DX9 mode.

 

[Hummanoid Typhoon]

did we switch threads or are there just a few?

Thought you might find this interesting. More people who unlocked the pipes. Posts are in itallian but the screenshots are all you really will wanna see.

Forum posts

Pics:
12 Pipes and 16 Pipes

And look it registers as a 6800GT both times. I think that confirms they are just 6600GT's in a new box!

 

[Valis]

So which one is best? XFX or eVGA 6800 GS? Any experiences?

I should add I only have a GF 2 GTS ATM, so I'm going to put this in my machine. (Athlon XP 2600+ OC'ed on SiS746FX).

 

[Shaotai]

Originally posted by: Hummanoid Typhoon
did we switch threads or are there just a few?

Thought you might find this interesting. More people who unlocked the pipes. Posts are in itallian but the screenshots are all you really will wanna see.

Forum posts

Pics:
12 Pipes and 16 Pipes

And look it registers as a 6600GT both times. I think that confirms they are just 6600GT's in a new box!

You mean 6800 GT right?

 

[Hummanoid Typhoon]

yeah I edited it....ah....if only 6600's had 16 pipes....

 

[zagood]

Helto: your scores are remarkably low. Try locking the pixels and shaders again, taking off any overclocking, and getting a stock 3dM05 score. You should always do this before any overclocking so you know if you're getting any benefit.

-z

 

[wolf68k]

@helto
Something I forgot to ask. Who's 6800GS are you using?
eVGA, XFX, BFG, who ever else?


To everyone else
I know that RivaTune can unlock the pipes, but can it relock them if I have problems or just want to go back to stock?
If not how would I be able to go back to stock or am I SOL if I unlock it and don't like the results?

OC'ing I'm assuming you can revert back to default, as long as I don't go to far and really screw something up. Yes?

 

[GeneralSir]

I was hoping for a mention on the anandtech priceguide on the frontpage but they completely ignored the 6800gs agp, only mentioning the x800gto.

 

[Hummanoid Typhoon]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: helto
350/1000 4556 3dMark05 marks
375/1000 4744
400/1000 4794
400/1100 4746

I am also confused as to why the difference in score between 375/1000 and 400/1100 is only 2 marks and the 400/1000 is the highest.

As far as gameplay is concerned I am running COD2 at 1280/1024 with everything set at maximum using DX7 mode and I am averaging well over 80fps.

However I have just downloaded the Serious Sam 2 demo and that game, at a similar resolution, is very choppy.
Helto

What u mean by choppy?
Serious sam 2 has engine issues you need to autodetect settings otherwise it will make objects flash randomly. The demo runs fine for me at maximum settings (no AA) and ur 3d mark is 1200 higher than mine. It should be fine. Unless your processor is bottlenecking it.

 

[iamchriscampbell]

i just got my bfg 6800gs in this morning, and i've put an Arctic Cooling NVSilencer5 rev.3 on it as well. Runs much cooler, btw. I didnt have time on my lunch break to test it out, but will run the benchmarks with a fully stock card first, then do the unlocking and overclocking and post the results later today...

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: iamchriscampbell
i just got my bfg 6800gs in this morning, and i've put an Arctic Cooling NVSilencer5 rev.3 on it as well. Runs much cooler, btw. I didnt have time on my lunch break to test it out, but will run the benchmarks with a fully stock card first, then do the unlocking and overclocking and post the results later today...

keep us posted :thumbsup:

 

[Bucksnort]

Has anyone installed a 6800gs or 850xt with a psu that has <18 amps on the 12V line? My 350W enermax only has 17.

 

[SelfishGene]

I just installed and tested my new BFG 6800 GS. Now i don't know how stable it is, i only ran a 3dmark2005 test to see if the pipes unlocked or not. There was no visual corruption or whatnot during the test.

I also have an Enermax 350W with 17amps on the 12v+ line btw.

The short story is that all the pipes unlocked no problems! Like i said though, too early tonight to test stability. I also have a hot case setup (it idles at 58c) so i don't know how far - if any - i can push the core on the stock fan.

3dmark scores
BFG 6600 GT @ 525 core (my old card): 3592
BFG 6800 GS @ 370 core 12p5v: 4548
BFG 6800 GS @ 370 core 16p6v: 5189

Consider TomsHardware's VGA chart (Summer 2005 AGP scores):
6600 GT: 3281
6800 GT: 4790
6800 Ultra: 5218

... and i have to say i'm happy to be within a 1% of the Ultra at 370core I don't think i'll push the core higher and just let sleeping dogs lie. The real unexpected suprise is how well the 6600 GT did, imo. That really is a good budget card.

But anyway, so far, yea, this is an awesome deal.