6800GT for 400.00 or X800pro for 400.00?

[TimisoaraKill]

Originally posted by: ShinX
D3D is the future ? Are you that ignorant of the benfits OpenGL ? I'll give you a clue , look at the FPS and quality of OpenGL games and compare them to D3D. You'll see what i'm talking about.

I agree , but this stuff is in the past , more when DX8 was out , the game i play now the most now is FarCry , the best engine out ,...today OGL games are obsolete compeared with this engine .
Games era based on OGL Quake III ended , what we have in future ,...STALKER , Half Life 2 , Next UT , Thief III , Op Flaspoint 2 , Americas Army II , CMR 5 ..and etc , .. , almost everybody will work with DX 9 in the future , and in the other side we have the "Doom III" wich is a "inside buildings " engine ,... , just not my style , me like big outdoor maps .
I rather go for a card build for the next DX9 games than for Doom III , still then this is my opinion and you can have yours .

If D3D is not the future , then can you name me the next BIG releases anounced for OGL please ?

 

[reever]

then can you name me the next BIG releases anounced for OGL please ?

All the game developers are waiting for the release of opengl 2.0, shceduled to come out 2 years ago.

 

[TimisoaraKill]

Originally posted by: reever

then can you name me the next BIG releases anounced for OGL please ?

All the game developers are waiting for the release of opengl 2.0, shceduled to come out 2 years ago.

Well i read a lot about Dx9 and OGL and in every forum i read , DEV's talk about OGL 2.0 betwen Year 2007 to 2009 .
Then we will proly have NV 120 and Radeond 1020 .

http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards/ubb/Forum3/HTML/010567.html

SirKnight is a part of OGL 2.0 DEV team .

 

[reever]

Well i read a lot about Dx9 and OGL and in every forum i read , DEV's talk about OGL 2.0 betwen Year 2007 to 2009 .

It would be better to say it will be done "when it's done"

 

[MajorCatastrophe]

Probably the GT because it is more future proof and does perform pretty close to the X800pro overall. I'm still going to wait for reviews of shipping boards with official WHQL drivers before I make my mind up.

All this SM3.0 stuff does bug me though. ATI has made a good job of showing the benefits of 3Dc which the GT does not have, and will be on display in Serious Sam 2, HL2, Dark Sector and probably other games I can't remember. nVidia has *not* done a good job of selling SM3.0 though. I still haven't seen anything rendered by SM3.0 that can't be done with same visual results as SM2.0. I know it's more efficient and coders can write more elegant code and it's the way forward, but I wonder whether this generation of hardware is actually up to it in real terms. I mean, will nVidia be saying to developers "well yeah, you can do all this cool stuff with SM3.0 but we don't recommend you do in your games because it hurts performance too much in this hardware generation, but nv50 on the other hand..."

Don't mean to troll (like I say i'll probably get the GT) but nVidia could do more to show the advantages of this tech in THIS hardware generation for games coming out THIS year. Judging by reading posts on this and other forums, people seem to update their vid cards every year anyway. I've still got a GF2 under the hood!

 

[batmanuel]

Since I prefer AMD processors over Intel's, I'm REALLY curious to see how well the hardware video encoding is implemented in the 6800 cards. If that's a feature that if it works well will be a big deal maker for me if game performance continues to be a toss up between the nVidia and ATi cards, since it could very well negate the last advantage the P4s have over the A64.

Once the retail 6800 cards are out and a good driver release that supports all of the features is available, we'll be better able to make a decision.

 

[MDE]

Originally posted by: TimisoaraKill
D3D is the future , Quake III games ended up with COD , my main choice goes to X800 Pro .
If how ever the GT will outperform the 800 Pro in loaded engines like FarCry , i will take the GT ,... at the end the best card in D3D will have my money . Looking especialy for a card who will shine in Operation Flaspoint 2 , Stalker and TF2 (HL2 mod)
12 , 16 or 32 pipes does not influence my purchase , the fastest card will ,...

The Doom III engine will probably last just as long as the Quake III engine has. Take your fork out of OpenGL.

 

[Dman877]

Originally posted by: VisableAssassin

Originally posted by: Dman877
I'll wait for production boards and overclocking results before I decide.

you allready have OC stats for the 420 dude...what you're seeing is retail cards from ATi and they look to be hitting their ceiling from what I'm reading..
and Nvidias "test" cards are allready showing high marks....so the OC should one can only speculate that the OC crown will go to NV...but who knows

Well from what I've seen, neither card seems to oc well. The GT only oc's well cuz its just a 6800 Ultra that's clocked at 375... I'm waiting for third party manufacturers (like BFG) to see how they'll really oc.

 

[Ackmed]

Well.. since you can preoder a X800 Pro for $360 at CimpUSA, and you will likely get in within a week, I think its obvious. Who knows when the 6800 GT will be out. Its going to be at least a month, so Ive read.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: reever

Well i read a lot about Dx9 and OGL and in every forum i read , DEV's talk about OGL 2.0 betwen Year 2007 to 2009 .

It would be better to say it will be done "when it's done"

Yep, exactly like HL2 :laugh:

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: reever

Well i read a lot about Dx9 and OGL and in every forum i read , DEV's talk about OGL 2.0 betwen Year 2007 to 2009 .

It would be better to say it will be done "when it's done"

Yep, exactly like HL2 :laugh:

Where can i get my OGL2.0 coupons?

If the source code leaks can they delay it 20 months?

Is gabe in control of OGL2.0? if so we shouldve missed at least 4 release dates by now.

 

[dudeman007]

Going back to original question...

To me Nvidia is better in the $400 range, but for the very top range, $500, Ati has the lead to me. Also you'll probably begin to see better perfomance in games in the future as most of todays games can't do all the justice. Happy shopping. Damn I'm getting jealous with the talk of all these cards, oh well. 9800 pro does my job just fine.

 

[DeRusto]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER

Originally posted by: reever

Well i read a lot about Dx9 and OGL and in every forum i read , DEV's talk about OGL 2.0 betwen Year 2007 to 2009 .

It would be better to say it will be done "when it's done"

Yep, exactly like HL2 :laugh:

Where can i get my OGL2.0 coupons?

If the source code leaks can they delay it 20 months?

Is gabe in control of OGL2.0? if so we shouldve missed at least 4 release dates by now.

except you cant really "leak" OGL source code

 

[Edge3D]

I'd say 6800 GT. Its comparable or faster than a Pro.. sometimes it beats a x800xt!
Being comparable, it has superior features as well.

Tack on the industrys best driver support, the best 64bit support (heck even their MOTHERBOARDS have full 64bit support now), and the best Linux support and there leaves little reason to use a X800Pro.

Thing is, times have changed... ATI WAS a great idea in the 9600/9800 days.. thats over now. To anyone with an open mind at all.

You saw some strong "X800XT is the supreme FPS champ so buy it!!!" attitude here for a long time and across the net, but that wont last.. especially when it comes down to THOSE people pulling out THEIR wallet and buying a technologically retarded product for more money than the competition.
Makes no sense to me.

I suppose to top it off even more, the headroom performance wise is much higher in the 6800 series.. while the X800s are already pretty much topped out.
They have mature drivers already because its nothing more than a fast 9700 Pro when it comes down to it.
NV has GREAT performance for "buggy at best drivers" that they launched with!

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Edge3D
I'd say 6800 GT. Its comparable or faster than a Pro.. sometimes it beats a x800xt!

And sometimes the X800Pro beats the 6800U. Your point?

Being comparable, it has superior features as well.

Tack on the industrys best driver support,

Debatable. ATI is just as good these days IMO.

the best 64bit support

Come back when Windows 64-bit is actually out. And from what I hear, NVIDIA's performance ain't so hot with their beta 64-bit drivers.

[(heck even their MOTHERBOARDS have full 64bit support now),

ATI doesn't make motherboards (though they do make chipsets), so that's *completely* irrelevant.

and the best Linux support and there leaves little reason to use a X800Pro.

ATI has worse Linux support, and if you use Linux, yes, NVIDIA is probably a better choice for you.

Thing is, times have changed... ATI WAS a great idea in the 9600/9800 days.. thats over now. To anyone with an open mind at all.

You saw some strong "X800XT is the supreme FPS champ so buy it!!!" attitude here for a long time and across the net, but that wont last.. especially when it comes down to THOSE people pulling out THEIR wallet and buying a technologically retarded product for more money than the competition.
Makes no sense to me.

A *lot* of things seem to make no sense to you. I'm not buying into SM3.0's vast superiority over SM2.0 until I see it working and making a difference. In, like, a real game.

And thus far it looks like ATI's cards will be the cheaper ones (X800XT/Pro for $450/$340 preorder at CompUSA).

I suppose to top it off even more, the headroom performance wise is much higher in the 6800 series.. while the X800s are already pretty much topped out.

Wait for retail cards before declaring overclocking winners. Preview cards rarely paint an accurate picture.

They [ATI] have mature drivers already because its nothing more than a fast 9700 Pro when it comes down to it.
NV has GREAT performance for "buggy at best drivers" that they launched with!

Let's see... buggy, unstable beta drivers that may get better versus already stable beta drivers that may also get even better... which one of these is the better choice?

 

[ShinX]

DOWN WITH GABE NEWELL !!!!!!!!

 

[ShinX]

AND JOHN "I SWITCH SIDES" CARMACK TOO

 

[RedShirt]

Why are so many people saying 6800GT? Looking at the benches it seems pretty neck and neck between the two.

ATI's is out now, ATI has that compression.

Nvidia has the SM 3.0 and video encoding.

One doesn't stand out to me. I am actually unsure which one I would get.

Take for example the Geforce 1 SDR. (First videocard with onboard T&L). The majority of games didn't even take advantage of the onboard T&L until long after this card was obsolete.

Same thing will occur for all the features of these new cards. And anyone who is going to spend $400 to be on the BLEEDING EDGE probably will do the same next product cycle.

In reality, a Radeon 9700 or maybe even lower is plenty for most people. But people want to turn on all the eye candy, run at insane reses at 1000000 fps. Heck, in fast paced fps games, do you need to run with 4xAA and 8xAF? I personally have a 9500 softmodded and have never had an urge to upgrade.

My advice would be to save the money and stay a generation behind.

Edit: Took out an incorrect statement about the GT's RAM (see the 2 posts below).

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: RedShirt
Why are so many people saying 6800GT? Looking at the benches it seems pretty neck and neck between the two.

ATI has more RAM, ATI's is out now, ATI has that compression.

Nvidia has the SM 3.0 and video encoding.

One doesn't stand out to me. I am actually unsure which one I would get.

Take for example the Geforce 1 SDR. (First videocard with onboard T&L). The majority of games didn't even take advantage of the onboard T&L until long after this card was obsolete.

Same thing will occur for all the features of these new cards. And anyone who is going to spend $400 to be on the BLEEDING EDGE probably will do the same next product cycle.

In reality, a Radeon 9700 or maybe even lower is plenty for most people. But people want to turn on all the eye candy, run at insane reses at 1000000 fps. Heck, in fast paced fps games, do you need to run with 4xAA and 8xAF? I personally have a 9500 softmodded and have never had an urge to upgrade.

My advice would be to save the money and stay a generation behind.

both have 256 no?

did u see any GT benchies other than firingsquad?

 

[RedShirt]

both have 256 no?

Oh, perhaps I'm mistaken on this. I don't know where I thought I saw the 6800GT has 128MB....

Still, even when both cards have 256MB, I still don't know which one I would get (assuming I didn't have to pay $400 for one).

Edit: I will edit my previous post to and take out this statement to avoid any future confusion. The GT does have 256MB RAM