6800GT or 7600GT

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Rhezuss

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Originally posted by: potato28
Hes in the same pickle as I am... hes from Canada. Where are you? If your near Toronto, and dont mind coming out to the GTA theres a 7900gt for $425. PM me for location.

I'm in Quebec city, so 60$ of gaz is not worth the move to get this card, but thanks
 

Rhezuss

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Ok, the X1800GTO should be available by the end of the month, so in April we could see some on the shelves.
 

LW07

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Originally posted by: Rhezuss
Originally posted by: LW07
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=17347&vpn=100-714400&manufacture=ATI

All in wonder X1800XL for $400 CAD.

NCIX.com is on my black list now. 2 video cards i've bought from them and both were defect after less than a month (9800PRO and now the 6800GS).

I've yet to see the X1800GTO in a canadian store, I wonder how much it cost compare to the X1800XL and the 7600GT.


Did NCIX let you return the cards? And the X1800GTO isn't out yet and is due to be out Around March 31st IIRC. And NCIX doesn't actually make the cards, they just carry them, just like best buy, compusa, newegg, or anyone else.
 

Rhezuss

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[/quote]Did NCIX let you return the cards? And the X1800GTO isn't out yet and is due to be out Around March 31st IIRC. And NCIX doesn't actually make the cards, they just carry them, just like best buy, compusa, newegg, or anyone else.[/quote]

I know they don't make the cards. It's just that 2/2 cards i've bought there I had to RMA them because they were defect.

From now on, i'm only buying hardware in Quebec, so when this happens, i'll get a replacement right away.
 

LW07

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Oh. OK. If you can only choose between those 2, get the 7600. If you can choose an alternative, get an X850XT or a X1800GTO.
 

hans030390

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Originally posted by: LW07
I would either wait for ATI's X1800GTO, Get this when it comes back in stock: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102007

or get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102483

ATI's image quality is quite a bit better than Nvidia's. I got an ATI card so I'm not just making that up.

The whole ATI is superior to Nvidia IQ is a huge mental thing. I've seen a lot of screenshots/video comparisons, and I've even personally seen systems using both, and I would have to say they look identical to me.

Personally, I think the whole ATI>Nvidia IQ is just crap, and its totally not worth any extra money. Now, even if ATI had a very very slight advantage in IQ (because if it does, it is very slight)...its not worth the extra money.

Just get a 7600gt, its the best buy for the money right now. and your games will still run and look amazing.
 

LW07

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Originally posted by: hans030390
Originally posted by: LW07
I would either wait for ATI's X1800GTO, Get this when it comes back in stock: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102007

or get this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102483

ATI's image quality is quite a bit better than Nvidia's. I got an ATI card so I'm not just making that up.

The whole ATI is superior to Nvidia IQ is a huge mental thing. I've seen a lot of screenshots/video comparisons, and I've even personally seen systems using both, and I would have to say they look identical to me.

Personally, I think the whole ATI>Nvidia IQ is just crap, and its totally not worth any extra money. Now, even if ATI had a very very slight advantage in IQ (because if it does, it is very slight)...its not worth the extra money.

Just get a 7600gt, its the best buy for the money right now. and your games will still run and look amazing.

I got a X1900XT and it has made a considerable difference in the image quality, so the other ATI cards should look better than the Nvidia as well.
 

imported_Imp

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Those of you in Canada (even better if Toronto), has anyone seen a price drop between the 7600GT and 6800GS? I'm also about to upgrade though from a working 9600 (come on Oblivion...), but from all the stores I've checked, they're still the same price. About $240 for 6800GS and $255 for 7600GT. That and is there a reason the 6800GS is still being recommended over the 7600GT given the similarity in pricing (they say 6800 is cheaper...)? Other than the 128-but memory thing.
 

Rhezuss

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Another question: Can 128bit memory bus can affect the quality of gaming (for future games like Oblivion)?

Can 256bit really do that much of a difference? Cause we all know that the 7600GT (Gos knows why) has only 128bit of memory bus but for now benches shows that it is faster that a 6800GS and 6800GT.

Any thoughts?
 

LW07

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The 128bit can affect the gaming. I would get an X1800GTO as it has a 256-bit bus.
 

meksta

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but the x1800gto isn't out yet..nope can't find one on shelves for another 2 weeks prolly.

And I doubt the X1800gto is in the same price point....should come out at $250.


 

Pete

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128-bit vs. 256-bit is a bit of a red herring. Notice that the 7600GT's RAM is clocked a lot higher than the 6800GS's and GT's, so while it has less bandwidth, it's not exactly half as much. Future games like Oblivion will probably favor shader power more than bandwidth, in which case a 7600GT should play better than a 6800GS or GT. While HDR does require more bandwidth b/c it's working with bigger numbers, it also tends to require more shader calculations, and so a 7600GT basically maximizes its lead over a 6800GS/GT with HDR; the same for gaming without AA. Only when you enable AA (probably 4xAA or higher) will bandwidth impinge on shader power, bringing the 7600GT closer to the 6800GS and GT, but it's still faster in the newer games that most sites benchmark with.

I'd get a 6800GS over a 6800GT, and a 7600GT over a 6800GS. Just shoot for what's a) in your budget and b) fast enough for you at your preferred resolution and AA setting. Stock, a 6800GS should be a little slower than a GT, but just buy one of the OCed models (e.g., BFG's or eVGA's) and you're good to go. An added bonus of the newer cards, the 6800GS and 7600GT, is that they draw less power, and so dump less heat into your case and can make do with quieter coolers.

It's pretty easy to see how a 7600GT compares with a 6800GS at stock speeds here. 16xAF is on for all the benchmarks, so the differences are no AA, 4xAA, HDR w/o AA, and HDR w/ 4xAA. You can see that the 7600 is fastest without AA, and the 6800GS closes the gap with AA--but is still slower. It's easy to figure out bang/buck using those numbers, too. Just divide the 7600's relative score by the 6800GS's, and that's the max percentage more you can pay for a 7600 and have it be at least as good a card for your money. Just keep in mind those scores aren't average framerates, just relative scores normalized to a default value of 100 given to the 6600GT's average score in the first graph (so those aren't average framerates, just relative points).

But looking at that chart, and reading a bunch of reviews that compare a 7600GT with a 6800GS, you can see that it's not a heck of a lot faster than a 6800GT, so it won't be a huge upgrade. Still, if you can sell your 6800 for a good price, then the upgrade might be worthwhile.

BTW, there's an X1800GTO in that review, too, if you're considering it.
 

DeathReborn

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The X1800GTO appears to be just a X1800XL with 1 quad disabled (4pp). It's unkown if it unlocks to a full blown XL but if it does it'd be well worth waiting for.

@LW07 I can tell you that in my use of the X1800XT & the 7800GT there isn't much between them in IQ. I wouldn't know about the X1900 as I don't have one to play with. There are some people that can see a difference and some that don't, it's not a mindblowing difference at all.

7600GT is a better bet than a X850XT due to SM3, HDR & PureVideo, not to mention SLI. If you are willing to wait until the end of the month, you'll see if the X1800GTO unlocks and if it does, go for that.
 

Rhezuss

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The X1800GTO is really tempting. I've been with NVIDIA for a long time (from the Ti4200). I'd really like to try those X1K series cards. I'll check if I can fetch a X1800XL for a nice price and compare it to the 7600GT that I still have in mind and decide after that.

Maybe i'll wait till the end of the month to see the GTO price range and decide, only if I can wait to play Oblivion, since i'll get in thursday (I pre-ordered it).
 

Rhezuss

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Well....for now i'm between the 7900GT and the X1800XL. I can get a ASUS 7900GT for 389CAD and a X1800XL for around 449CAD. I'll get some new prices when the guy I know from a comp shop will come back by tomorrow. I know we can deal something like usual.

From those 2 cards, which one would you get?
 
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