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Elfear

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There is a penalty it seems in power and heat pushing the 6950 to 6970 levels, here they mention 25 watts. Definitely not a big deal for most, but heated debates have raged over as many watts, lol.
Make sure your psu is big enough, especially with 2.
http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/12/27/radeon-hd-6950-flashable-6970/

I think Semiaccurate is quoting the results wrong. Here is what Wizzard found while testing:

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159

So a stock 6950 uses 169W, an unlocked 6950 uses 202W, and a stock 6970 uses 228W. Yes you do have more power draw with the card unlocked but it looks like it still uses less energy than the 6970.
 

notty22

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I think Semiaccurate is quoting the results wrong. Here is what Wizzard found while testing:

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/159

So a stock 6950 uses 169W, an unlocked 6950 uses 202W, and a stock 6970 uses 228W. Yes you do have more power draw with the card unlocked but it looks like it still uses less energy than the 6970.
202 would be if you ran the card at 6950 clock speeds, but most WON"T, because the bios flash puts on the 6970 clock speeds automatically. You would have to purposely down clock every boot, or mod the bios for lower clocks.
Also make sure you have a decent power supply, as the card will go from using about 169W at default settings to 202W with the Shaders unlocked all the way to 252W with the card overclocked to the same speeds as a 6970. That means you're actually using 24W more than what a real 6970 would do, again, not likely to be a huge concern for anyone that just wants a bit of extra performance out of their card.
 

Elfear

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202 would be if you ran the card at 6950 clock speeds, but most WON"T, because the bios flash puts on the 6970 clock speeds automatically. You would have to purposely down clock every boot, or mod the bios for lower clocks.

Hmm. This is from the TPU thread discussing the unlocking guide:

"I did some additional power consumption tests and it seems that AMD's PowerTune power limiting system does not get "upgraded" by the BIOS flash. We see that even when modded, the HD 6950 (at HD 6970 shaders and clocks) runs into the PowerTune limit earlier than the regular HD 6970 which results in reduced power draw but also reduced performance in Furmark. With a power consumption of 202 W, the modded HD 6950 is well below the 225 W specification limit of the HD 6950 power configuration.
Once we up the power limit in Catalyst Control Center by +20%, we see that the modded HD 6950 draws 252 W, which exceeds its specification (225 W) by 27 W."

To summarize,

Stock 6950 - 169W
Unlocked 6950@6970 speeds - 202W
Stock 6970 - 228W
Unlocked 6950@6970 speeds +20% on Powertune - 252W
Stock 6970 +20% on Powertune - 277W
 

shangshang

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Has anyone done a comparison of the performance of an oc'ded 6950 versus a flashed 6950??? I would like to see the performance difference between these two versions of the same card. If oc'ing works as well as flashing, then why are people raging to flashy their 6850 and possible void the warranty?

If performance difference between oc'ed and flashed is like 2-3%, then it ain't worth it.
 

Nemesis 1

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^+1 So why did NV insist that reviewers in the 6800 series reviews use O/Ced factory 460's? What makes you think partners won't use this other bios to get a few extra bucks and still keep warranty. Strange World ya live in . AMD goes to the trouble of adding this feature To BOTH cards . Yet people come into this thread trying to down play it. Same as I did on the O/Ced 460's running against 6800's. Strange world . It was widely known befor launch that AMD had great yeilds . befor launch . Go back look . I clearly said AMD would likely allow those shaders to be unlocked . As AMD did it with the 3 core cpu's
 

shangshang

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^+1 So why did NV insist that reviewers in the 6800 series reviews use O/Ced factory 460's? What makes you think partners won't use this other bios to get a few extra bucks and still keep warranty. Strange World ya live in . AMD goes to the trouble of adding this feature To BOTH cards . Yet people come into this thread trying to down play it. Same as I did on the O/Ced 460's running against 6800's. Strange world . It was widely known befor launch that AMD had great yeilds . befor launch . Go back look . I clearly said AMD would likely allow those shaders to be unlocked . As AMD did it with the 3 core cpu's

Weren't you also adamantly saying that the 6970 would beat the 580 before the 6970 launch? ...said for all of us just need to wait and see the truth... then you silently disappeared for a few days once the truth came out and the 6970 didn't beat the 580.

go read yourself speak the truth:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2126337&page=15

but go on, keep yabbing, because strange world. You say too many things, talk too much, claim too much credit when things happen, run away and hide when they don't.
 
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Yes I did And as I said This isn't over. Drivers will add 15-20% , Test 580 against 6970 with the 480 release drivers . There almost even . AMD usually getts more from follow up drivers than does NV. Than there is that bios switch setting there on the 6970 . Whats that for???. I haven't been hiding . Been busy ordering parts for daughter as she has orders for 27 SB gamers. Bought a Top of the line Ski Doo that the kids and grandchild love . 45 inches of new snow in Dec . Busy busy . If ya go over to Toms hardware . You will see clearly I was bragging up the 6950,s As the best card of 2010 . Befor it was released. I was banned here. Also I was getting results with a highly O/Ced SB . Since I have know NV parts in my shop nor are they allowed I had no way of knowing what increases the 500 nv series has You want to compare Just released drivers to mature ones . This is why NV isn't allowed around my place . Daughters sells NV . But not from my shop . Few years back I did sell NV even tho I hated to . But now I just won't allow it . Same with sell phones you come into my shop and phone rings . I will tell ya to leave and not come back. You NV guys picked out High res befor the 6900release to rally behind . Now you flip high res off like its nothing . Very transparent you people are thus the reason I don't allow NV.
 
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lOOK AT WHAT sb HD 3000 AND HD2000 REVIEWS . The HD 3000 has little gains in a few of the games over the HD 2000. Thats drivers. and they have made big gains in 2 months and alot more coming , So expecting 20% gains for the 6900 series isn't unreasonable. How much of an improvement from 480 release drivers to the present drivers . I know . Maybe you should look . Its easy to find said info .
 

mooncancook

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This sounds even better than the 9500Pro flashing to 9700Pro, even enabling those without an 8-pin connector to have a 6970 without buying a new PSU. Must resist the temptation...
 

shangshang

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^ OK Nemesis dude. Let me remind you that you said the 6970 would beat the 580 at lauch. Now you're changing your words again and say let's give the 6970 time to mature and the drivers will push it another 20%? (Yet another bold claim). Go read your post again man. You keep making bold claims and then changing your tunes. Blah blah blah. Sometimes I have a feeling you're talking to your psychologist, not an online forum.

Like I said dude, you make a bunch of bold claims. If a claim stick, then you come back and take bold credits. When it doesn't, you disappear for a few ways because of family problems. lol
 

OCGuy

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Yes I did And as I said This isn't over. Drivers will add 15-20% , Test 580 against 6970 with the 480 release drivers . There almost even . AMD usually getts more from follow up drivers than does NV. Than there is that bios switch setting there on the 6970 . Whats that for???. I haven't been hiding . Been busy ordering parts for daughter as she has orders for 27 SB gamers. Bought a Top of the line Ski Doo that the kids and grandchild love . 45 inches of new snow in Dec . Busy busy . If ya go over to Toms hardware . You will see clearly I was bragging up the 6950,s As the best card of 2010 . Befor it was released. I was banned here. Also I was getting results with a highly O/Ced SB . Since I have know NV parts in my shop nor are they allowed I had no way of knowing what increases the 500 nv series has You want to compare Just released drivers to mature ones . This is why NV isn't allowed around my place . Daughters sells NV . But not from my shop . Few years back I did sell NV even tho I hated to . But now I just won't allow it . Same with sell phones you come into my shop and phone rings . I will tell ya to leave and not come back. You NV guys picked out High res befor the 6900release to rally behind . Now you flip high res off like its nothing . Very transparent you people are thus the reason I don't allow NV.

Que?

It's OK Nem. Although I'm sure you were embarassed on launch night, there is no need to take your frustration out by derailing another thread with "predictions" and ramblings.
 
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badb0y

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I don't know if he is trolling or if he is actually serious.

Main argument seems to be driver optimizations but as pointed out before, you should never pick a card hoping drivers will improve performance, it may or may not happen.
 

hclarkjr

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guys lets keep the arguing about which is better to another thread. please keep thread on subject. i don't want to have to browse through 3 pages of people arguing over which is better
 

Skurge

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WTH? TPU tested 42cards and everyone of them unlocked successfully?

Nice.

I can't wait for anandtech's article about Northern Islands next year about the choices they made..

I just wish nVidia would do the same.
 
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Elfear

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Has anyone done a comparison of the performance of an oc'ded 6950 versus a flashed 6950??? I would like to see the performance difference between these two versions of the same card. If oc'ing works as well as flashing, then why are people raging to flashy their 6850 and possible void the warranty?

If performance difference between oc'ed and flashed is like 2-3%, then it ain't worth it.

In my testing of Stalker: COP, I found the extra shaders were worth ~5% more performance (clocks being equal of course). Just as important though is the fact that flashing to a 6970 bios increases the CCC limits which were a rather paltry 840/1325. 6970 CCC limits are 950/1450. Not perfect but still much better.

I gained a total of ~18% in performance from my stock 6950's to the cards unlocked@925/1400.
 

nyker96

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congrads to those unlocked their 6950 to a 6970! this is great, AMD seems to always do this, X3 unlock to X4, even X2 unlock to X4s, great value for the end user! I hope they never bother to 'fix' this. At 300 and close to 85-90% GTX580 performance this card is a steal!
 

bargetrav

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I'm having issues with my 6950, ATIWinFlash does not work, I get "cannot erase rom" error and the switch on the card is set to 1.

I can't seem to get the commands for dos to work either, not that the program has an error, but i simply don't know how to use the commands correctly?

I'm using Win 7 Pro 64 bit, what exactly would be the steps from opening a command prompt?
 

Elfear

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I'm having issues with my 6950, ATIWinFlash does not work, I get "cannot erase rom" error and the switch on the card is set to 1.

I can't seem to get the commands for dos to work either, not that the program has an error, but i simply don't know how to use the commands correctly?

I'm using Win 7 Pro 64 bit, what exactly would be the steps from opening a command prompt?

The instructions on the Techpowerup site really are pretty thorough. Follow the steps in this post. That's what I did when I got the same errors you are getting.

Remember to hit "Enter" between typing "atiwinflash -unlockrom 0" and "atiwinflash -f -p 0 unlock.bin" from that list.

Make sure you don't have any other PCI-E devices installed while flashing.

Make sure you right-click on the cmd prompt shortcut and run as administrator.

Hope that helps.
 

bargetrav

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Just needed all the files in the same directory, I'm dumb. Anyway, I flashed the card, and it DOES NOT like ATITool, seems to be incompatible.

However, it ran fine through 3dmark11, and 12 minutes of Furmark with no issues other than some good heat (94C max) leaving fan on auto.

Does furmark automatically detect artifacts?
 

ArchAngel777

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I have a really hard time believing that AMD did not see this coming... Pretty sure that little lever switch was designed for this type of thing... Oh well, I guess we will never know unless AMD comes clean.
 

3DVagabond

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I have a really hard time believing that AMD did not see this coming... Pretty sure that little lever switch was designed for this type of thing... Oh well, I guess we will never know unless AMD comes clean.

I think they were "dumb like a fox" too. :thumbsup:
 

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^ OK Nemesis dude. Let me remind you that you said the 6970 would beat the 580 at lauch. Now you're changing your words again and say let's give the 6970 time to mature and the drivers will push it another 20%? (Yet another bold claim). Go read your post again man. You keep making bold claims and then changing your tunes. Blah blah blah. Sometimes I have a feeling you're talking to your psychologist, not an online forum.

Like I said dude, you make a bunch of bold claims. If a claim stick, then you come back and take bold credits. When it doesn't, you disappear for a few ways because of family problems. lol

There wasn't any reason for me to believe differantly. I had No nv cards to run with my setup. I played with the IGP for along time but when I got my card from robert he gave me the MB to match up. At 5ghz 6970 looked really strong . Robert kept offering me a 580 to use but I wouldn't have it.

Not only that you assume way to much . You are assuming that I used sad NV games , The way its meantto be played. Many people been asking why Far cry was included in so many reviews. A fair question . Why was it. Hawk 2 . Which is not a good air game at all.

Reviewers can review what ever games they want . Yet with all the sites basicly the same games were used . Are these review sites like minded . Or is the pressure from NV. If it looks like a snake wriggls on belly like a snake its likely a snake. What family problems . were was that mentioned by me . You guys are good at this type of thing but its so transparent to 90% of us. As I said I had better things to do . One of which was getting a friends son Xmas present ready . There is more to life than forums . In the month of Dec its clearly the case. So you just stick around for AMDs next driver release . Than there is that 2nd bios switch on the 6970

Many now see why its on the 6950. I bet its for super overclockers on the 6970 . NOT!
 

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Que?

It's OK Nem. Although I'm sure you were embarassed on launch night, there is no need to take your frustration out by derailing another thread with "predictions" and ramblings.

I wasn't embarassed at all . I seen the high res. results . I thought thats what NV was sputting off about befor the 6900s were released . Shall we go back to old threads . But after the reviews high res kinda left the NV side of fence. The 6900 series is a great cards and an even better buy. Best part is there in good supply . The 560 should be a great card . Not as good as the 570 /580 but good card in there somewere. I here that AMD is doing a 6930. It a circle . NV has a great cards in the 500 series but NV marketing is destroying there name. I have no problem with NV hardware . Just the people who push them on forums . As do a great many.

I say buy what ever ya want . But this constant AMD drivers issues is older than moses. or pushing cuda in hardware forums. Or 3D or PX. Its good info but its also a dead horse that been beaten to death.
Now ya want to talk about 3D try this .

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40831862/ns/technology_and_science/
 
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