7.0 Earthquake in Haiti

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Schadenfroh

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My condolences to those impacted by this horrific tragedy.

You can see how organizations allocate their money through this site:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/
Thanks for the link, I have been curious about admin overhead of charities for a while. Some of these are just shocking.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=topten.detail&listid=20
1 American Tract Society 68.0%
2 Boys Choir of Harlem 66.3%
3 National Council of Negro Women 64.0%
4 Union Rescue Mission, Little Rock 62.1%
5 Bay Area Discovery Museum 60.7%
At what point can we still classify them as charities? Admin overhead approaching 70%? ack...
 

Zargon

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yeah thats just wrong. reminds of the reporst about those big Gala charity events, something like 95 cents per dollar of the 'donation' to go to the dinner went to the company that was hired to run the event
 

Kadarin

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According to CNN, noted Evangelical Christian and geological expert Pat Robertson has a theory as to why Haiti is suffering from this natural disaster:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/13/haiti.pat.robertson/index.html

Robertson, the host of the "700 Club," blamed the tragedy on something that "happened a long time ago in Haiti, and people might not want to talk about it."

The Haitians "were under the heel of the French. You know, Napoleon III and whatever," Robertson said on his broadcast Wednesday. "And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, 'We will serve you if you will get us free from the French.' True story. And so, the devil said, 'OK, it's a deal.' "

He goes on to say:

"I was reading, yesterday, a book that was very interesting about what God has to say in the Old Testament about those who shed innocent blood. And he [the author] used the term that those who do this, 'the land will vomit you out.' ... But have we found we are unable somehow to defend ourselves against some of the attacks that are coming against us, either by terrorists or now by natural disaster? Could they be connected in some way?"

I think Mr. Robertson is on to something here, and he backs up his theory with hard evidence by pointing out something that someone who wrote some book said about what God had to say in the Old Testament. The international community needs to take what this man has to say with the utmost seriousness.
 
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Dari

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According to CNN, noted Evangelical Christian and geological expert Pat Robertson has a theory as to why Haiti is suffering from this natural disaster:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/13/haiti.pat.robertson/index.html



He goes on to say:



I think Mr. Robertson is on to something here, and he backs up his theory with hard evidence by pointing out something that someone who wrote some book about what God had to say in the Old Testament. The international community needs to take what this man has to say with the utmost seriousness.

I've completely given up on being shocked by what assholes like him have to say because their followers cannot be convinced otherwise.
 

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The most helpful thing most people can give is $ donations, because the humanitarian aid organizations can pool the money to buy & transport emergency supplies in bulk.



You can see how organizations allocate their money through this site:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/

Take UNICEF, for example:

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=4617

Organizational Efficiency
Program Expenses 90.5%
Administrative Expenses 2.8%
Fundraising Expenses 6.6%






I look at it this way: a big earthquake that levels a city is not going to choose its victims. Gangsters and thugs are probably among those who are crushed, trapped in rubble, or dying in the street... being a criminal takes a measure of strength and mental alertness, which are probably in short supply among the victims. I am not that concerned that shellshocked criminals are suddenly going to want to steal plastic tents and rehydration salts.

Any partially-intelligent criminal would use the confusion to loot stores for jewelry, electronics, and money.

Nice links. I waited till wife got home to discuss. We decided Salvation Army. We will give 10% of what I set up for the exspected diasters this year. 2010
 

werepossum

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According to CNN, noted Evangelical Christian and geological expert Pat Robertson has a theory as to why Haiti is suffering from this natural disaster:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/13/haiti.pat.robertson/index.html



He goes on to say:



I think Mr. Robertson is on to something here, and he backs up his theory with hard evidence by pointing out something that someone who wrote some book said about what God had to say in the Old Testament. The international community needs to take what this man has to say with the utmost seriousness.

Hah, I beat you posting Robertson - although you did do a better job.

If we go Old Testament we're all screwed. For instance, my shirt is a cotton blend. I'm pretty sure that's a stoning offense. And I doubt Mullah Robertson would approve of all this typing on the sex box, either.
 

stateofbeasley

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My condolences to those impacted by this horrific tragedy.


Thanks for the link, I have been curious about admin overhead of charities for a while. Some of these are just shocking.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=topten.detail&listid=20

At what point can we still classify them as charities? Admin overhead approaching 70%? ack...


Yeah, there are A LOT of "charities" that really shouldn't even fall under that category. If someone asks me to help them raise $ for a particular group, I always check first to make sure that the money I am donating really goes towards program costs rather than admin overhead.


Nice links. I waited till wife got home to discuss. We decided Salvation Army. We will give 10% of what I set up for the exspected diasters this year. 2010

Thanks! I hope Charity Navigator can help people here. The more information people have about how their donations are spent, the better. Competition will force the organizations that exercise poor stewardship of their funds to either improve, or go out of existence.
 

woolfe9999

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Scary facts about Haiti, especially the Port au Prince population density figures:

* In 1998, there were 2.4 physicians per 10,000 population and in 1996 there was 1 nurse per 10,000.
* 1.8 million people were already food insecure before the earthquake (Source: UN WFP)
* Poorest country in the western hemisphere (one of the poorest in the world).
* Four out of five Haitians live in poverty. (Source: UN)
* Annual per-capita income is $560 (more than half live on less than $1 per day.)
* Two thirds of Haitians rely on small-scale subsistence farming on tiny plots of land.
* Port au Prince is one of most densely populated cities in the world: it was built for 40,000, but 2 million live there now. Area: 10,714 square miles (slightly smaller than Maryland).
* 2008 hurricanes killed an estimated 800 people (Source: New York Times)
* Life expectancy is 61 years (US: 78 years). (Source: UNICEF)
* Literacy rate: 52.9 percent

This has got to be a nightmare for a country that was in this condition. I think the death toll will top 100K.

- wolf
 

DrPizza

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I haven't been following the story that closely, but as far as the death toll - aren't most of the dwellings just shanties? i.e. if the roof fell on your head, you'd survive? I've seen the pictures of the larger buildings in Port au Prince, but are most dwellings built that way? Or just a minority?
 

woolfe9999

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According to CNN, noted Evangelical Christian and geological expert Pat Robertson has a theory as to why Haiti is suffering from this natural disaster:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/01/13/haiti.pat.robertson/index.html



He goes on to say:



I think Mr. Robertson is on to something here, and he backs up his theory with hard evidence by pointing out something that someone who wrote some book said about what God had to say in the Old Testament. The international community needs to take what this man has to say with the utmost seriousness.

Name calling is rare in my repetroire, but I feel I must make an exception here. Pat Robertson is a scumbag whose value to human civilization is significantly less than zero.

- wolf
 

woolfe9999

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I haven't been following the story that closely, but as far as the death toll - aren't most of the dwellings just shanties? i.e. if the roof fell on your head, you'd survive? I've seen the pictures of the larger buildings in Port au Prince, but are most dwellings built that way? Or just a minority?

Dunno, but I've seen photos of lots of apartment buildings that just pancaked. With one of the highest pop densities in the world, you pretty much have to build upward, which is not a good thing here.

- wolf
 

Agentbolt

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I've donated, and I feel sorry as hell for these people, but geez is that country ever a pile of shit. I don't for a second support the weird "they deserved it" notion some people are floating, but I really really hope with all the aid coming in and rebuilding money they're sure to receive that there's at least some vague motions towards actually improving the place.

I'd rather live in a locker room permanently filled with cheerleaders pointing at my dick and giggling than that Godawful place.
 

Nemesis 1

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Scary facts about Haiti, especially the Port au Prince population density figures:

* In 1998, there were 2.4 physicians per 10,000 population and in 1996 there was 1 nurse per 10,000.
* 1.8 million people were already food insecure before the earthquake (Source: UN WFP)
* Poorest country in the western hemisphere (one of the poorest in the world).
* Four out of five Haitians live in poverty. (Source: UN)
* Annual per-capita income is $560 (more than half live on less than $1 per day.)
* Two thirds of Haitians rely on small-scale subsistence farming on tiny plots of land.
* Port au Prince is one of most densely populated cities in the world: it was built for 40,000, but 2 million live there now. Area: 10,714 square miles (slightly smaller than Maryland).
* 2008 hurricanes killed an estimated 800 people (Source: New York Times)
* Life expectancy is 61 years (US: 78 years). (Source: UNICEF)
* Literacy rate: 52.9 percent

This has got to be a nightmare for a country that was in this condition. I think the death toll will top 100K.

- wolf

Ya news was saying 50,000 . But what happened will cause many more deaths starvation sickness riots . The number could explode for the living dead.
 

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Lifer
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I've donated, and I feel sorry as hell for these people, but geez is that country ever a pile of shit. I don't for a second support the weird "they deserved it" notion some people are floating, but I really really hope with all the aid coming in and rebuilding money they're sure to receive that there's at least some vague motions towards actually improving the place.

I'd rather live in a locker room permanently filled with cheerleaders pointing at my dick and giggling than that Godawful place.

No one deserves that kind of life. Just shows the religions Most are just hiding behind a vail their hearts are evil what they can't control they call evil sad bastereds they are . They will get what they sow soon enough.
 

spacejamz

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is this the start of the earthquakes signalling the end of the world? Or do we really need to wait until 2012?
 
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is this the start of the earthquakes signalling the end of the world? Or do we really need to wait until 2012?

It pretty much happens every year and it's always at some place near there, if you check out the earths orbit you can pretty much figure out why it's always november-january.

I'm just waiting for man enduced sheit to become more prevalent, after all, we are pulling out sheit from the earth, in some places so far down that a slight shift could implode most of a continent, like the ME...

I'm not in the ME right now but near enough to feel the pain so if that starts to happen, i'm going to go home to the other side of the globe.
 

Arkaign

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Name calling is rare in my repetroire, but I feel I must make an exception here. Pat Robertson is a scumbag whose value to human civilization is significantly less than zero.

- wolf

Yep, hopefully the dumbshits running the GOP will dump extremists like Robertson at some point. We need rational, pragmatic leadership, not hyperbolic people who want a theocracy.
 
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Yep, hopefully the dumbshits running the GOP will dump extremists like Robertson at some point. We need rational, pragmatic leadership, not hyperbolic people who want a theocracy.

It's the base of the entire right, without that, the right would have NO votes, well, except for the KKK following who vote for the Conservatives out of general principle.
 

coloumb

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Not trying to be a troll, but how much of the aid being sent over there will be stolen from the street gangs and thugs and not make it to its intended victims?

It really sucks that you even have to think about something like that after a major disaster has occured...

Do you just throw as much money as you can to try and help as many victims as you can while these street gangs will profit or take as much as they can for themselves? it is definitely a shitty proposition...

That's just human nature - people will surely profit from this disaster in one way or another [news reports indicate a prison collapsed = escaped convicts = your concern]. You just need to have a "leap of faith" in hopes your donation will actually be used for whatever cause you are donating to/for.

I think it's great the "world" is willing to donate $$$ and resources for this disaster - but why not help these impoverished countries when they aren't in the aftermath of a terrible natural disaster?
 

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is this the start of the earthquakes signalling the end of the world? Or do we really need to wait until 2012?

The signal went out sometime ago you were just sleeping . This is the second quake this year . The 3rd should wake people up. But this is not for this topic. Take to another topic . People died here . Show some respect.
 

Agentbolt

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That's just human nature - people will surely profit from this disaster in one way or another [news reports indicate a prison collapsed = escaped convicts = your concern]. You just need to have a "leap of faith" in hopes your donation will actually be used for whatever cause you are donating to/for.

I think it's great the "world" is willing to donate $$$ and resources for this disaster - but why not help these impoverished countries when they aren't in the aftermath of a terrible natural disaster?

Dude, are you serious? Literally half of Haiti's budget comes from foreign aid. A bunch of their debt got cancelled. The US and other governments have directly intervened several times when the entire country was on the brink of collapse due to yet ANOTHER coup. The sole reason Haiti still existed as a country is because of the generosity of developed nations.

This is a thread about an earthquake, so I won't continue to derail, but don't act like Haiti was some bubbling cauldron of potential and happiness that was being ignored by the developed world. That place is a festering shithole on the most extreme scale and the sole silver lining that may be gleaned from this tragedy is that the earthquake might act as a kind reboot button and they'll get it right this time.
 

werepossum

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Dude, are you serious? Literally half of Haiti's budget comes from foreign aid. A bunch of their debt got cancelled. The US and other governments have directly intervened several times when the entire country was on the brink of collapse due to yet ANOTHER coup. The sole reason Haiti still existed as a country is because of the generosity of developed nations.

This is a thread about an earthquake, so I won't continue to derail, but don't act like Haiti was some bubbling cauldron of potential and happiness that was being ignored by the developed world. That place is a festering shithole on the most extreme scale and the sole silver lining that may be gleaned from this tragedy is that the earthquake might act as a kind reboot button and they'll get it right this time.
Quoted for truth. That's why I'm saying the US should take it over, have a Marshall Plan for Haiti. The illiterate half would probably sit in a classroom and learn to read and write if there was a square meal in it for them. Disarm the militias (meaning the whole damned country), set up farms in suitable country, set up some light manufacturing (preferably something now made in China), pay people to plant a buttload of trees, pay people to rebuild their country. Send a double buttload of hired teachers, construction supervisors, etc. to help our own unemployment. (Hey, if we're going to bankrupt our own country let's not spend it all on high-priced ad agencies and ACORN.) Rather than spending millions every year let's spend a billion once and maybe get Haiti off the dole.
 
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