Ummmm - Invade Afghanistan?What would have happened if 9/11 actually happened in say 1982, and it was the Kremlin? What would the Soviet Union's response have been?
Originally posted by: burnedout
Parts of it are accurate. Others not. In one account I read, Marinus van der Lubbe's "firebombing" was actually arson. Additionally, there were co-conspirators with van der Lubbe who were acquitted. Van der Lubbe was beheaded for this "crime", by the way. As far as the incident "catapulting" Hitler to legitimacy, this remains debatable as the NSDAP already had quite a bit of momentum at that time.Originally posted by: Ldir
Originally posted by: burnedout
Yeah, that's more or less how I see it too.Originally posted by: B00ne
Yeah it seems they fitted the historic accounts to their agenda... especially by this middle eastern stuff in it and the extensive use of "antiterrorism act" and similar words, the narrator (I call him that sisnce the whole thing is written more like an suspense novel than historic facts) is trying to parallel the proceedings of today to the empowerment and creation of the Nazi dictatorship back then.
So if you really want to know how the whole empowerment deal went along in 33-35, read a real and most importantly universally accepted history book of the Nazi Era
I know it is slanted. Is it accurate?
This weekend, I'll research it more indepth. The last time I studied this particular incident was in an early 20th century German history class that I took through University of Maryland - Europe while stationed in Germany.
Perhaps not written by Bush himself, however Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz and other members of Bush's cabinet were pretty busy in September of 2000.Originally posted by: alchemize
You won't find a book written by Bush that outlines his plans in detail to conquer the world
Gee I've never seen that one dragged out.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Perhaps not written by Bush himself, however Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz and other members of Bush's cabinet were pretty busy in September of 2000.Originally posted by: alchemize
You won't find a book written by Bush that outlines his plans in detail to conquer the world
The Project for the New American Century
we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
You are correct as a parallel can be drawn. I haven't studied the incident in over 16 years, therefore, based on my somewhat blurry recollection, other factors also acted as a catalyst in the rise of the totalitarian state. For example, if I remember correctly, the acquittal of the other purported members involved in the fire really ticked Hitler and Göring off. This acquittal was what actually prompted some changes. The allusions to Oranianburg also seem a bit out of context, if I'm not too mistaken.Originally posted by: sandorski
The use of "firebombing" instead of "arson" was most likely an attempt to put the incident into more contemporary terms, strengthening the parallel. Whether it is the same as 9/11 is mostly moot as the incident was used by Hitler and the Nazi's to consolidate their power and to deny German citizens their rights and freedom. So though the incident may not seem as disturbing to us in it's destruction, it was enough at that time to have much of the same result in the public mind as 9/11 has had.
Originally posted by: alchemize
Gee I've never seen that one dragged out.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Perhaps not written by Bush himself, however Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz and other members of Bush's cabinet were pretty busy in September of 2000.Originally posted by: alchemize
You won't find a book written by Bush that outlines his plans in detail to conquer the world
The Project for the New American Century
All the equivalent mentions of Lebensraum and the Jewish Problem and racial superiority must have passed me by. And what exactly about that web site freaks you out?
we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
Oooh spooky stuff...strong military, political freedom, allies.... Yup, the gas chamers are a comin...
But I repeat, as long as it makes our liberal alarmists feel better, carry on.
PS while all the folks you mentioned are part of that foundation, only Wolfy was a participant in that report.
Originally posted by: burnedout
You are correct as a parallel can be drawn. I haven't studied the incident in over 16 years, therefore, based on my somewhat blurry recollection, other factors also acted as a catalyst in the rise of the totalitarian state. For example, if I remember correctly, the acquittal of the other purported members involved in the fire really ticked Hitler and Göring off. This acquittal was what actually prompted some changes. The allusions to Oranianburg also seem a bit out of context, if I'm not too mistaken.Originally posted by: sandorski
The use of "firebombing" instead of "arson" was most likely an attempt to put the incident into more contemporary terms, strengthening the parallel. Whether it is the same as 9/11 is mostly moot as the incident was used by Hitler and the Nazi's to consolidate their power and to deny German citizens their rights and freedom. So though the incident may not seem as disturbing to us in it's destruction, it was enough at that time to have much of the same result in the public mind as 9/11 has had.
At any rate, I have a massive proposal to author this week here at work along with finals/term papers in my grad courses. After all is completed, I'll sit down with some references and objectively dissect the essay.
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: alchemize
Gee I've never seen that one dragged out.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Perhaps not written by Bush himself, however Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz and other members of Bush's cabinet were pretty busy in September of 2000.Originally posted by: alchemize
You won't find a book written by Bush that outlines his plans in detail to conquer the world
The Project for the New American Century
All the equivalent mentions of Lebensraum and the Jewish Problem and racial superiority must have passed me by. And what exactly about that web site freaks you out?
we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
Oooh spooky stuff...strong military, political freedom, allies.... Yup, the gas chamers are a comin...
But I repeat, as long as it makes our liberal alarmists feel better, carry on.
PS while all the folks you mentioned are part of that foundation, only Wolfy was a participant in that report.
Do you think Hitler/Nazis announced that they were going to gas the Jews the first chance someone gathered around to hear what they said? No, they first turned the Jews into the enemy and blamed them for various things. They then systematically used the Law against the Jews, arresting them without charge, and placed them in camps away from the Public eye. With the German people unaware, the Holocaust began.
That's not to say that the same thing will occur now, but to not see the parallel or to nitpick the minor details is dangerous. I'm sure the German people thought such atrocities committed would/could never happen, yet they did and the shame that Germans felt lingers to this day.
...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.
And so he [the Jew] advances on his fatal road until another force comes forth to oppose him, and in a mighty struggle hurls the heaven-stormer back to Lucifer. Germany is today the next great war aim of Bolshevism. It requires all the force of a young missionary idea to raise our people up again, to free them from the snares of this international serpent...
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: 'by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.'
You are distubring with your rampant partisanship. Anything to bash Bush. I don't defend Bush much, but when the hitler-idiots come out I can't help myself. If being an uneducated alarmist makes you feel better, go crazy. You might want to read a book or 2 on WWII first so you don't look like a complete idiot. If you like I can go break out the Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich and outline about the 500 areas that Hitler telegraphed every thing he intended. The majority of the germans weren't duped, or dragged along kicking and screaming, and they didn't get slowly suckered in. They supported Hitler and his views. Period.The parallels are disturbing.
There are a lot of people in this country who are resentful due to hardships, real or imagined. That really misses the point, however. Nobody suggested the situations are identical.Originally posted by: KenGr
Important missing piece: German resentment and hardship following incomplete resolution of WWI conflict. Good luck finding a parallel for that.
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: alchemize
Gee I've never seen that one dragged out.Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Perhaps not written by Bush himself, however Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz and other members of Bush's cabinet were pretty busy in September of 2000.Originally posted by: alchemize
You won't find a book written by Bush that outlines his plans in detail to conquer the world
The Project for the New American Century
All the equivalent mentions of Lebensraum and the Jewish Problem and racial superiority must have passed me by. And what exactly about that web site freaks you out?
we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.
Oooh spooky stuff...strong military, political freedom, allies.... Yup, the gas chamers are a comin...
But I repeat, as long as it makes our liberal alarmists feel better, carry on.
PS while all the folks you mentioned are part of that foundation, only Wolfy was a participant in that report.
Do you think Hitler/Nazis announced that they were going to gas the Jews the first chance someone gathered around to hear what they said? No, they first turned the Jews into the enemy and blamed them for various things. They then systematically used the Law against the Jews, arresting them without charge, and placed them in camps away from the Public eye. With the German people unaware, the Holocaust began.
That's not to say that the same thing will occur now, but to not see the parallel or to nitpick the minor details is dangerous. I'm sure the German people thought such atrocities committed would/could never happen, yet they did and the shame that Germans felt lingers to this day.
Yes, he explicity singles out Jews, and "other races" in Mein Kampf Hey here's some quotes for you...and you get 3 guesses who sounds more like this guy...George Bush, or about every 1/3 mullah?
...the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.
And so he [the Jew] advances on his fatal road until another force comes forth to oppose him, and in a mighty struggle hurls the heaven-stormer back to Lucifer. Germany is today the next great war aim of Bolshevism. It requires all the force of a young missionary idea to raise our people up again, to free them from the snares of this international serpent...
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: 'by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.'
You are distubring with your rampant partisanship. Anything to bash Bush. I don't defend Bush much, but when the hitler-idiots come out I can't help myself. If being an uneducated alarmist makes you feel better, go crazy. You might want to read a book or 2 on WWII first so you don't look like a complete idiot. If you like I can go break out the Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich and outline about the 500 areas that Hitler telegraphed every thing he intended. The majority of the germans weren't duped, or dragged along kicking and screaming, and they didn't get slowly suckered in. They supported Hitler and his views. Period.The parallels are disturbing.
Well said. It won't happen unless we let it. We must remember history so we do not repeat it.Originally posted by: sandorski
Who's being an alarmist, just pay attention and don't make the same mistake the German's did. The difference between you and me(as far as I can see), is that you think "it can never happen, not us". While I think, "don't let that happen, to do so is to fail". Learn from History, the German people had no idea what Hitler was going to do and were shocked when the truth came out concerning what he did. They had the same attitude you display.
Bump. Hoping burnedout has the time and interest to follow through; I'm interested in what he finds.Originally posted by: burnedout
You are correct as a parallel can be drawn. I haven't studied the incident in over 16 years, therefore, based on my somewhat blurry recollection, other factors also acted as a catalyst in the rise of the totalitarian state. For example, if I remember correctly, the acquittal of the other purported members involved in the fire really ticked Hitler and Göring off. This acquittal was what actually prompted some changes. The allusions to Oranianburg also seem a bit out of context, if I'm not too mistaken.Originally posted by: sandorski
The use of "firebombing" instead of "arson" was most likely an attempt to put the incident into more contemporary terms, strengthening the parallel. Whether it is the same as 9/11 is mostly moot as the incident was used by Hitler and the Nazi's to consolidate their power and to deny German citizens their rights and freedom. So though the incident may not seem as disturbing to us in it's destruction, it was enough at that time to have much of the same result in the public mind as 9/11 has had.
At any rate, I have a massive proposal to author this week here at work along with finals/term papers in my grad courses. After all is completed, I'll sit down with some references and objectively dissect the essay.
That's such bullsh1t. The majority of the germans welcomed Hitler and his brethren with open arms. As did many countries in Europe. Jews were despised. Ever hear about the militias in Lithuania, etc.? They jumped into the massacre of jews with vigor.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Well said. It won't happen unless we let it. We must remember history so we do not repeat it.Originally posted by: sandorski
Who's being an alarmist, just pay attention and don't make the same mistake the German's did. The difference between you and me(as far as I can see), is that you think "it can never happen, not us". While I think, "don't let that happen, to do so is to fail". Learn from History, the German people had no idea what Hitler was going to do and were shocked when the truth came out concerning what he did. They had the same attitude you display.
Whatever you say dear. Don't you have a bridge to guard somewhere?Originally posted by: alchemize
That's such bullsh1t. The majority of the germans welcomed Hitler and his brethren with open arms. As did many countries in Europe. Jews were despised. Ever hear about the militias in Lithuania, etc.? They jumped into the massacre of jews with vigor.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Well said. It won't happen unless we let it. We must remember history so we do not repeat it.Originally posted by: sandorski
Who's being an alarmist, just pay attention and don't make the same mistake the German's did. The difference between you and me(as far as I can see), is that you think "it can never happen, not us". While I think, "don't let that happen, to do so is to fail". Learn from History, the German people had no idea what Hitler was going to do and were shocked when the truth came out concerning what he did. They had the same attitude you display.
I recognize the Hitler-like threat in our world today. It is called Islamic Fundamentalism. Arabs today are germans of 1930. If you want to draw paralells, start with the arab and islamic world. You'll find plenty.
I'll also watch our government as I always have. But I'm not about to start drawing any parallels when the obvious one is staring me right in the face.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Whatever you say dear. Don't you have a bridge to guard somewhere?Originally posted by: alchemize
That's such bullsh1t. The majority of the germans welcomed Hitler and his brethren with open arms. As did many countries in Europe. Jews were despised. Ever hear about the militias in Lithuania, etc.? They jumped into the massacre of jews with vigor.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Well said. It won't happen unless we let it. We must remember history so we do not repeat it.Originally posted by: sandorski
Who's being an alarmist, just pay attention and don't make the same mistake the German's did. The difference between you and me(as far as I can see), is that you think "it can never happen, not us". While I think, "don't let that happen, to do so is to fail". Learn from History, the German people had no idea what Hitler was going to do and were shocked when the truth came out concerning what he did. They had the same attitude you display.
I recognize the Hitler-like threat in our world today. It is called Islamic Fundamentalism. Arabs today are germans of 1930. If you want to draw paralells, start with the arab and islamic world. You'll find plenty.
I'll also watch our government as I always have. But I'm not about to start drawing any parallels when the obvious one is staring me right in the face.
Bite me, you pompous, hypocritical twit. I'll put the content value of my average post up against your idiotic, Bush-worshipping drivel any day. Your pointless diversion got the response it deserved.Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Whatever you say dear. Don't you have a bridge to guard somewhere?Originally posted by: alchemize
That's such bullsh1t. The majority of the germans welcomed Hitler and his brethren with open arms. As did many countries in Europe. Jews were despised. Ever hear about the militias in Lithuania, etc.? They jumped into the massacre of jews with vigor.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Well said. It won't happen unless we let it. We must remember history so we do not repeat it.Originally posted by: sandorski
Who's being an alarmist, just pay attention and don't make the same mistake the German's did. The difference between you and me(as far as I can see), is that you think "it can never happen, not us". While I think, "don't let that happen, to do so is to fail". Learn from History, the German people had no idea what Hitler was going to do and were shocked when the truth came out concerning what he did. They had the same attitude you display.
I recognize the Hitler-like threat in our world today. It is called Islamic Fundamentalism. Arabs today are germans of 1930. If you want to draw paralells, start with the arab and islamic world. You'll find plenty.
I'll also watch our government as I always have. But I'm not about to start drawing any parallels when the obvious one is staring me right in the face.
Thank you for your cute smarmy-ass reply. As usual, a one liner with no substance. Instead of attempting to refute what I said. You and DealMonkey and LDIR and RedDawn just practice typing these up all day? Bounce them off each other over lunch? Going to call me a BAA or a YABA?
Here's some homework, why don't your show me HOW the Islamic Fundamentalist movement doesn't parallel Nazism? Oh my, that would require you to formulate an opinion that is over 16 words long and not pulled out of a Michael Moore skit. Pitiful.
Edit: Added a few names of the cutie one liners. You guys should take some lessons from Whitling, or even Moonie. Might disagree with them (or have no clue what they are saying), but at least he puts a little substance behind them. You guys make BOBDN look researched and well-thought out.
Real quick here as I must finish the last page of the proposal and then start on the paper.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Bump. Hoping burnedout has the time and interest to follow through; I'm interested in what he finds.
Thank you. I'm interested in your observations and appreciate your efforts. Best wishes on your proposal & paper.Originally posted by: burnedout
Real quick here as I must finish the last page of the proposal and then start on the paper.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Bump. Hoping burnedout has the time and interest to follow through; I'm interested in what he finds.
Thus far, I've looked at:
"A Blueprint for Dictatorship
Hitler's Enabling Law of March 1933" - written in 1964. A rather comprehensive chronology of events after the "Reichstag Fire Decree" leading up and beyond the "Enabling Law". Talks quite a bit about political maneuvering between the NSDAP and SDP parties.
"The New Regime in Germany" - written by a British professor in Berlin around 1934 or so. Extremely interesting first-hand account of some related events.
"German Social Democracy and Hitler's "National Revolution" of 1933: A Study in Democratic Leadership" Also quite interesting. Written during the 50s, if I remember right.
The essay is partially flawed in some respects, quite accurate in others and a bit satirical. For example: "His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media." is really quite funny and subjectively true.
At any rate, I'll report back on Saturday a couple hours after the UK - MSU game. Gotta go, y'all. I'll continue my typical military-related rants during lunch or break tomorrow.
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Bite me, you pompous, hypocritical twit. I'll put the content value of my average post up against your idiotic, Bush-worshipping drivel any day. Your pointless diversion got the response it deserved.Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Whatever you say dear. Don't you have a bridge to guard somewhere?Originally posted by: alchemize
That's such bullsh1t. The majority of the germans welcomed Hitler and his brethren with open arms. As did many countries in Europe. Jews were despised. Ever hear about the militias in Lithuania, etc.? They jumped into the massacre of jews with vigor.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Well said. It won't happen unless we let it. We must remember history so we do not repeat it.Originally posted by: sandorski
Who's being an alarmist, just pay attention and don't make the same mistake the German's did. The difference between you and me(as far as I can see), is that you think "it can never happen, not us". While I think, "don't let that happen, to do so is to fail". Learn from History, the German people had no idea what Hitler was going to do and were shocked when the truth came out concerning what he did. They had the same attitude you display.
I recognize the Hitler-like threat in our world today. It is called Islamic Fundamentalism. Arabs today are germans of 1930. If you want to draw paralells, start with the arab and islamic world. You'll find plenty.
I'll also watch our government as I always have. But I'm not about to start drawing any parallels when the obvious one is staring me right in the face.
Thank you for your cute smarmy-ass reply. As usual, a one liner with no substance. Instead of attempting to refute what I said. You and DealMonkey and LDIR and RedDawn just practice typing these up all day? Bounce them off each other over lunch? Going to call me a BAA or a YABA?
Here's some homework, why don't your show me HOW the Islamic Fundamentalist movement doesn't parallel Nazism? Oh my, that would require you to formulate an opinion that is over 16 words long and not pulled out of a Michael Moore skit. Pitiful.
Edit: Added a few names of the cutie one liners. You guys should take some lessons from Whitling, or even Moonie. Might disagree with them (or have no clue what they are saying), but at least he puts a little substance behind them. You guys make BOBDN look researched and well-thought out.
I have no interest in comparing fundamentalist Islam to Hitler. That isn't what this thread is about, and I'm tired of you bleating Bushies constantly hijacking any thread that's even a little critical of your idol. But feel free to start your own thread if you think it's an interesting topic. Get off your brain-dead butt and do some research. Post a long, content-rich analysis where you can wow us all with your brilliance and spectacular insight. My guess is you'll get a resounding "who cares" since no one here is supporting Islamic Fundamentalists.
Zebo's article is food for thought. To deny there are parallels between Bush and Hitler is simply, inarguably dishonest. Of course there are; any fool can see them. The two periods don't have to be identical to have parallels, your dopey counterexamples not withstanding. The interesting question is the extent and significance -- if any -- of those parallels. If you're not willing to do contribute to that discussion, shut up and crawl back under your bridge.
I assume this references the Reichstag Fire.The 70th anniversary wasn't noticed in the United States, and was barely reported in the corporate media. But the Germans remembered well that fateful day seventy years ago - February 27, 1933. They commemorated the anniversary by joining in demonstrations for peace that mobilized citizens all across the world.
It started when the government, in the midst of a worldwide economic crisis, received reports of an imminent terrorist attack. A foreign ideologue had launched feeble attacks on a few famous buildings, but the media largely ignored his relatively small efforts. The intelligence services knew, however, that the odds were he would eventually succeed. (Historians are still arguing whether or not rogue elements in the intelligence service helped the terrorist; the most recent research implies they did not.)
No, as I mentioned, he was appointed by Hindenburg. Like a prime minister.But the warnings of investigators were ignored at the highest levels, in part because the government was distracted; the man who claimed to be the nation's leader had not been elected by a majority vote and the majority of citizens claimed he had no right to the powers he coveted.
Hard to argue against this, but I'll say that Hitler was a highly intelligent, devious, savvy madman.He was a simpleton, some said, a cartoon character of a man who saw things in black-and-white terms and didn't have the intellect to understand the subtleties of running a nation in a complex and internationalist world. His coarse use of language - reflecting his political roots in a southernmost state - and his simplistic and often-inflammatory nationalistic rhetoric offended the aristocrats, foreign leaders, and the well-educated elite in the government and media.
No idea what this is about.And, as a young man, he'd joined a secret society with an occult-sounding name and bizarre initiation rituals that involved skulls and human bones.
Again, it was communists he blamed. He also called them terrorists, but it was clearly communists he was referencing.Nonetheless, he knew the terrorist was going to strike (although he didn't know where or when), and he had already considered his response. When an aide brought him word that the nation's most prestigious building was ablaze, he verified it was the terrorist who had struck and then rushed to the scene and called a press conference.
No, he had HINDENBERG sign a decree that was described as a "defensive measure against Communist acts of violence endangering the state". There is no reference to terrorists. Can't verify the hitler quote."You are now witnessing the beginning of a great epoch in history," he proclaimed, standing in front of the burned-out building, surrounded by national media. "This fire," he said, his voice trembling with emotion, "is the beginning." He used the occasion - "a sign from God," he called it - to declare an all-out war on terrorism and its ideological sponsors, a people, he said, who traced their origins to the Middle East and found motivation for their evil deeds in their religion.
Again, Communists. The leaders flag was put up mostly by stormtroopers and brownshirts.Two weeks later, the first detention center for terrorists was built in Oranianberg to hold the first suspected allies of the infamous terrorist. In a national outburst of patriotism, the leader's flag was everywhere, even printed large in newspapers suitable for window display.
See above, communist decree that HINDENBERG put into effect. replace terrorism with communism again...Within four weeks of the terrorist attack, the nation's now-popular leader had pushed through legislation - in the name of combating terrorism and fighting the philosophy he said spawned it - that suspended constitutional guarantees of free speech, privacy, and habeas corpus. Police could now intercept mail and wiretap phones; suspected terrorists could be imprisoned without specific charges and without access to their lawyers; police could sneak into people's homes without warrants if the cases involved terrorism.
Ah we finally reach what it really is. And of course, Hindenberg signed the decree, it didn't go through legislation.To get his patriotic "Decree on the Protection of People and State" passed over the objections of concerned legislators and civil libertarians, he agreed to put a 4-year sunset provision on it: if the national emergency provoked by the terrorist attack was over by then, the freedoms and rights would be returned to the people, and the police agencies would be re-restrained. Legislators would later say they hadn't had time to read the bill before voting on it.
He alread was a very competent orator.Immediately after passage of the anti-terrorism act, his federal police agencies stepped up their program of arresting suspicious persons and holding them without access to lawyers or courts. In the first year only a few hundred were interred, and those who objected were largely ignored by the mainstream press, which was afraid to offend and thus lose access to a leader with such high popularity ratings. Citizens who protested the leader in public - and there were many - quickly found themselves confronting the newly empowered police's batons, gas, and jail cells, or fenced off in protest zones safely out of earshot of the leader's public speeches. (In the meantime, he was taking almost daily lessons in public speaking, learning to control his tonality, gestures, and facial expressions. He became a very competent orator.)
I believe he called it the Fatherland.Within the first months after that terrorist attack, at the suggestion of a political advisor, he brought a formerly obscure word into common usage. He wanted to stir a "racial pride" among his countrymen, so, instead of referring to the nation by its name, he began to refer to it as "The Homeland," a phrase publicly promoted in the introduction to a 1934 speech recorded in Leni Riefenstahl's famous propaganda movie "Triumph Of The Will." As hoped, people's hearts swelled with pride, and the beginning of an us-versus-them mentality was sewn. Our land was "the" homeland, citizens thought: all others were simply foreign lands. We are the "true people," he suggested, the only ones worthy of our nation's concern; if bombs fall on others, or human rights are violated in other nations and it makes our lives better, it's of little concern to us.
relatively accurate, but I fail to see the parallel. Unless we are saying that "in god we trust" is our equivalent.Playing on this new nationalism, and exploiting a disagreement with the French over his increasing militarism, he argued that any international body that didn't act first and foremost in the best interest of his own nation was neither relevant nor useful. He thus withdrew his country from the League Of Nations in October, 1933, and then negotiated a separate naval armaments agreement with Anthony Eden of The United Kingdom to create a worldwide military ruling elite.
His propaganda minister orchestrated a campaign to ensure the people that he was a deeply religious man and that his motivations were rooted in Christianity. He even proclaimed the need for a revival of the Christian faith across his nation, what he called a "New Christianity." Every man in his rapidly growing army wore a belt buckle that declared "Gott Mit Uns" - God Is With Us - and most of them fervently believed it was true.
Now you did it. You're on the "cute smarmy-ass one-liner" list, Mister.Originally posted by: sandorski
Alcy: You forgot the most obvious discrepency: George Bush is not Adolf Hitler, like one's not even english!
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Now you did it. You're on the "cute smarmy-ass one-liner" list, Mister.Originally posted by: sandorski
Alcy: You forgot the most obvious discrepency: George Bush is not Adolf Hitler, like one's not even english!
I did enjoy the way he inadvertantly reinforced many of the parallels while diligently showing us that Bush and Hitler are not identical. He'd save a lot of effort and bandwidth if he'd spend a few minutes to understand the concept of "parallels" and how it differs from "identical".
Here I'll break it down to some oneliners so it will be easy for you to understand.Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Now you did it. You're on the "cute smarmy-ass one-liner" list, Mister.Originally posted by: sandorski
Alcy: You forgot the most obvious discrepency: George Bush is not Adolf Hitler, like one's not even english!
I did enjoy the way he inadvertantly reinforced many of the parallels while diligently showing us that Bush and Hitler are not identical. He'd save a lot of effort and bandwidth if he'd spend a few minutes to understand the concept of "parallels" and how it differs from "identical".