700 Series Petition (Performance and Stability)

[igortavs]

Hi, i am Igor Tavares.

And i want to invite you all from here and users of Nvidia Graphics Cards to take some of your time and help us all (users of nvidia cards) about something that seems to be happening to users of 700 card Series and can happen to others too (900 Series and forward).

Please, read this possible Petition im moving through Nvidia GeForce Forum and share this wherever you can:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...0-series-petition-performance-and-stability-/

I really appreciate if you take your time to share the message through facebook, forums and etc.

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[i7Baby]

I gather you are saying you believe newer drivers make older nVidia graphics cards perform worse.

Have you got any data to show degradation in performance with say a gtx670 over successive drivers for the one game, settings and monitor resolution?

 

[MagickMan]

Looks like people whining that Maxwell is improving with new driver releases while Kepler no longer is. What a shocker.

 

[railven]

I gather you are saying you believe newer drivers make older nVidia graphics cards perform worse.

Have you got any data to show degradation in performance with say a gtx670 over successive drivers for the one game, settings and monitor resolution?

Nah, he's saying new games with new features don't run as well on older hardware with different uarch.

So basically, Nvidia is lazy for focusing on Maxwell (current uarch) and not so much as on Kepler (older uarch) for newer shinier games.

 

[SolMiester]

Has anyone compared Kepler with current and release drivers for proof?

 

[Innokentij]

Has anyone compared Kepler with current and release drivers for proof?

http://www.bytemedev.com/the-gtx-780-ti-sli-end-of-life-driver-performance-analysis/

 

[tential]

Looks like people whining that Maxwell is improving with new driver releases while Kepler no longer is. What a shocker.

Or people are saying that kepler performance is regressing sometimes on new drivers too. You should read the whole situation. I'm not nv lover or anything but there are legitimate points being made

 

[poofyhairguy]

http://www.bytemedev.com/the-gtx-780-ti-sli-end-of-life-driver-performance-analysis/

So overall a 4% difference in Firestrike? I know this is an industry where 10% better costs hundreds more but that isn't sabotage. In fact the result show it got better than it was, so obviously Nvidia cares a little bit about Kepler.

 

[Sabrewings]

so obviously Nvidia cares a little bit about Kepler.

Shh, that doesn't fit the "kepler gimp" hype machine.

In all seriousness, this is just one application so the scope of its results are limited. It does seem to indicate that Kepler did improve over its life cycle.

 

[Elixer]

OP, why don't you write what the actual issue is here, instead of linking to another site?
Dunno about anyone else, but saying "something that seems to be happening" and leaving it at that doesn't want to make me want to look, it just seems you are trying to get hits, and nothing more.

If you instead gave a summary of what your findings were, and why you think it is happening, you might have better luck getting people to do something, or get more feedback here.

 

[Deders]

Firestrike isn't a great example as it was made and released before the 9xx series.

It's usually new releases that Nvidia give the 9xx series priority to, I still get decent performance in these games a month or 2 down the line, long after review sites have released benchmark results.

 

[MagickMan]

Or people are saying that kepler performance is regressing sometimes on new drivers too. You should read the whole situation. I'm not nv lover or anything but there are legitimate points being made

I've not seen any credible evidence to support this.

 

[SolMiester]

http://www.bytemedev.com/the-gtx-780-ti-sli-end-of-life-driver-performance-analysis/

Am I missing something?....I don't see perf drop!

 

[RussianSensation]

I've not seen any credible evidence to support this.

Must have been living under the rock for the last 12 months then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G0da1HTWMk

There already was extensive analysis on reddit as well as our sub-forum section months ago that showed Kepler losing the most in relative terms against GCN and Maxwell when it came to relative standing. NV did release a bunch of drivers in recent times that tried to address Kepler performance in some games like The Witcher 3 or Project CARS, where performance for Kepler was nothing short of atrocious:

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-05/project-cars-guide-grafikkarte-prozessor-vergleich/2/

Either way with so many new games taking advantage of 3GB+ of VRAM, most of Kepler owners will be forced to upgrade anyway.

http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/htt...GPU-Action-Mortal_Kombat_X_-test-mkx_2560.jpg

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_960_SLI/images/som_1920_1080.gif

The petition isn't going to stop 2GB Kepler cards from becoming obsolete:

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/mad-m...revealed-dx11-only-6gb-ram-listed-as-minimum/

On the positive side, gamers don't have that long to wait for Pascal in 2016. Alternatively there are decent deals to be had on 970 or 980 cards for those who don't mind selling their 670/680/770/780 cards while they still have some value.

 

[MagickMan]

That still only shows that Maxwell has gotten faster (duh?) not that Kepler is now slower.

 

[Deders]

That still only shows that Maxwell has gotten faster (duh?) not that Kepler is now slower.

When a GTX780 is getting similar benchmark results as a AMD 285, something is up but like i said before I think it's mostly down to optimisation priorities.

Game ready driver is only game ready for Maxwell. Kepler users have to wait a month or 2 for full performance.

 

[FalseChristian]

I feel like a fool for buying not 1 but 2 GTX 760 2GB last year. Terrible drivers, BSOD. I'm trying to make a deal with someone in the For Sale/Trade forums for 2 R9 290 4GB.

 

[tential]

@RS
IF you're a GTX 770 2GB owner I have 0 sympathy for you. You were explained what you were getting, you should make peace with it.

 

[readers]

Never paid attention, but he got a great point, look at the charts he posted on NV forum, when 680 first came out it was on par with 7970 or might be a little faster, but wow, look at newer benchmarks, 7970 is like 20-30% faster, wow, just wow.

Build a new PC now with 980 ti, still not too late to change to Fury X, will look into this more for sure.

Thanks a lot to OP!!!

 

[readers]

I went thought many many reviews for 970 and 980ti so to compare the performance of 780ti when 970 first released and now.

What I found was for most part, in almost a year time, 780 ti had small improvement, 970 had a more significant improvement, which is to be expected for a newer product.

I did not see how NV has intentionally slowed down older cards.

But it does seem that AMD has better driver support for older cards.

 

[bystander36]

I went thought many many reviews for 970 and 980ti so to compare the performance of 780ti when 970 first released and now.

What I found was for most part, in almost a year time, 780 ti had small improvement, 970 had a more significant improvement, which is to be expected for a newer product.

I did not see how NV has intentionally slowed down older cards.

But it does seem that AMD has better driver support for older cards.

That may appear that way for a few reasons. I'm not sure what is really the truth:
1) AMD may have had poorer support than Nvidia at the start, and it has taken a lot longer to get the most out of their cards.
2) AMD's older cards are of the same Uarch as current cards, so their older cards have benefited from their current focus.
3) Game developers have been focusing on techniques which are favorable to those older AMD cards.

It may or may not have anything to do with better support, though it could. It is hard to say. I have a feeling all 3 are in play.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I went thought many many reviews for 970 and 980ti so to compare the performance of 780ti when 970 first released and now.

What I found was for most part, in almost a year time, 780 ti had small improvement, 970 had a more significant improvement, which is to be expected for a newer product.

I did not see how NV has intentionally slowed down older cards.

But it does seem that AMD has better driver support for older cards.

Last sentence seems to be more probable to me.