74 people shot, 11 fatally, in Chicago over the weekend

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Thump553

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I swing by Faux News several times a day to see what the official line is. The last few days EVERY time they been talking about Chicago-even Hannity. Not even the "collusion is not a crime" mantra is currently getting so much air time.

Since His Donaldship can solve any problem but has not yet solved Chicago (I'm assuming because of Democratic interference is the slant), the only conclusion I can reach is this is the latest effort to gin up the base while also distracting them.

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I swing by Faux News several times a day to see what the official line is. The last few days EVERY time they been talking about Chicago-even Hannity. Not even the "collusion is not a crime" mantra is currently getting so much air time.

Since His Donaldship can solve any problem but has not yet solved Chicago (I'm assuming because of Democratic interference is the slant), the only conclusion I can reach is this is the latest effort to gin up the base while also distracting them.

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To sort of tie a number of posts in this thread together, gang violence, opioid abuse, alcohol related deaths, hell even obesity are taking hundreds of lives each and every day.

You can't treat this like a painting and say "Well it's just a painting of a tree". You have to look at it as more of series of hundreds or thousands of brush strokes, colors, and techniques that make up that picture.

There are millions of people that are hurting. Many of them don't have the social or financial support necessary to dig themselves out of the hole they were either born into or fell into. They turn to whatever easy fix they can find. There's no magic bullet. There's no single cause. It's just a ton of factors that add up and end up painting the picture we have.

No one really wants to have a real dialog about it. Rather a few eye grabbing headlines or sound bites that sound good. It's not fixed by "being tough on crime!" or throwing money at it. It's going to take a very detailed plan with buy in from all sides and dedication to an effort that lasts decades instead of the status quo of a 2-6 year election cycle.
 

brandonbull

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You really need to write a book.

Acceptable forms and locations of minority protest

People that are driving awareness of violence towards blacks shouldn't be directing their anger or energy primarily towards non-blacks. Blocking streets and calling white people racists is not going to help fix gun violence or violence experienced in general against blacks. You can use whatever silly response you wish but it still doesn't change that facts about violence in minority communities. Just like Democrats calling people deplorables and racists, keep protesting to white people and see what changes. The real problem doesn't go away and now you get to alienate a large group of people. What do I know? I guess you and the libtards can keep winning.
 

brycejones

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People that are driving awareness of violence towards blacks shouldn't be directing their anger or energy primarily towards non-blacks. Blocking streets and calling white people racists is not going to help fix gun violence or violence experienced in general against blacks. You can use whatever silly response you wish but it still doesn't change that facts about violence in minority communities. Just like Democrats calling people deplorables and racists, keep protesting to white people and see what changes. The real problem doesn't go away and now you get to alienate a large group of people. What do I know? I guess you and the libtards can keep winning.

Whines about name calling, calls names.

I'm so sorry your feelings were fucked. Maybe you can learn a lesson from that.
 
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Xellos2099

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I have said this many times, it was because of Foxx being super soft on crime and Rahm letting ACLU run the damn police department. And the protest that the peoepl had the past few weeks? They should be targeted at where the drug dealers are, not on I55 and LSD. What DO you thinbk happen when you got DA that don;t press charges and police can;t do anythign because of aclu
 

Pulsar

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To sort of tie a number of posts in this thread together, gang violence, opioid abuse, alcohol related deaths, hell even obesity are taking hundreds of lives each and every day.

You can't treat this like a painting and say "Well it's just a painting of a tree". You have to look at it as more of series of hundreds or thousands of brush strokes, colors, and techniques that make up that picture.

There are millions of people that are hurting. Many of them don't have the social or financial support necessary to dig themselves out of the hole they were either born into or fell into. They turn to whatever easy fix they can find. There's no magic bullet. There's no single cause. It's just a ton of factors that add up and end up painting the picture we have.

No one really wants to have a real dialog about it. Rather a few eye grabbing headlines or sound bites that sound good. It's not fixed by "being tough on crime!" or throwing money at it. It's going to take a very detailed plan with buy in from all sides and dedication to an effort that lasts decades instead of the status quo of a 2-6 year election cycle.

Crime in any city has very little to do with politics. It's about culture. Specifically, American consumerism culture, and our total lack of family values (NOT religious values).
 

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Crime in any city has very little to do with politics. It's about culture. Specifically, American consumerism culture, and our total lack of family values (NOT religious values).

On a local level, yes it does. Mayors are elected officials. Funding for appropriate police training and adequate patrols is a local tax issue. How a city is run, how they react to situations, how they zone things. It's all connected.
 

K1052

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I have said this many times, it was because of Foxx being super soft on crime and Rahm letting ACLU run the damn police department. And the protest that the peoepl had the past few weeks? They should be targeted at where the drug dealers are, not on I55 and LSD. What DO you thinbk happen when you got DA that don;t press charges and police can;t do anythign because of aclu

No, it really blew up after CPD deduced to pout on their asses for a year instead of doing their jobs after the McDonald tape came out and the department was roundly vilified.
 
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Xellos2099

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No, it really blew up after CPD deduced to pout on their asses for a year instead of doing their jobs after the McDonald tape came out and the department was roundly vilified.
Fair enough, but the point being cpd can't do anything without being called racist. A friend of mine is in the local neighborhood watch and cpd arrest so many people and Foxx just release them a day later. Foxx is a huge problem with her attitude on crime. Her goal was less people in jail, that meant putting less criminal in. During Daley time crime was never this bad.
 

soundforbjt

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Fair enough, but the point being cpd can't do anything without being called racist. A friend of mine is in the local neighborhood watch and cpd arrest so many people and Foxx just release them a day later. Foxx is a huge problem with her attitude on crime. Her goal was less people in jail, that meant putting less criminal in. During Daley time crime was never this bad.
Chicago saw a major rise in violent crime starting in the late 1960s. Murders in the city first peaked in 1974, with 970 murders when the city's population was over three million, resulting in a murder rate of around 29 per 100,000, and again in 1992, with 943 murders when the city had fewer than three million people, resulting in a murder rate of 34 murders per 100,000 citizens.

After 1992, the murder count steadily decreased to 415 murders by the mid 2000's, a reduction of over 50 percent.
Who was mayor in 1992? Daley.
 

Xellos2099

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Keep in mind Daley have been mayor from 1988 to 2011. You can tell from the chart he manage to keep crime down for the most part during his time.

Of course mayor is only part of the equation. It is also up to the police and the DA to keep crime down. Crime rate increased under Rahm and acclerated once foxx got elected.
 
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K1052

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Keep in mind Daley have been mayor from 1988 to 2011. You can tell from the chart he manage to keep crime down for the most part during his time

Broad economic forces came into play nationally, namely a return to employment, investment, and people living in cities instead them just continuing to rot out in favor of suburbia.
 

soundforbjt

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Retaliatory murders spiked in occurrence and a broad pullback by CPD after they got caught doing a bunch of bad shit let things get out of hand.
Also the spike in opioid/heroin use around the same period, much like crack in the 90's did the same.
 

Xellos2099

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Broad economic forces came into play nationally, namely a return to employment, investment, and people living in cities instead them just continuing to rot out in favor of suburbia.
Ok so you do not think Foxx stance and Rahm are not responsible for the ever increase death rate?
 

K1052

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Ok so you do not think Foxx stance and Rahm are not responsible for the ever increase death rate?

It's not ever increasing...the rate fell in 2017 and continues to fall in 2018. I mostly blame CPD for sitting on their butts and letting things go crazy for a year so now we've gotta claw our way out of a big hole.
 

glenn1

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Broad economic forces came into play nationally, namely a return to employment, investment, and people living in cities instead them just continuing to rot out in favor of suburbia.

Oh perfect it's fixing itself, I was getting kinda tired of pretending to give a shit about what residents of cities did to one another. Evidently the homicides aren't reducing Chicago below population replacement rates so we're all good.
 

K1052

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Oh perfect it's fixing itself, I was getting kinda tired of pretending to give a shit about what residents of cities did to one another. Evidently the homicides aren't reducing Chicago below population replacement rates so we're all good.

This really is some mediocre hating on cities from you. Really expected more. 3.5/10.
 

glenn1

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This really is some mediocre hating on cities from you. Really expected more. 3.5/10.

It's hard to hate on a city that's doing such a remarkable job of killing itself. There's a certain pride in such good performance and efficiency in the job they're doing. Sometimes it's better just to step out of the way and allow excellence to continue without interference.
 
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