754 to 939

[z3r0125]

I was thinking of upgrading my mobo and processor.

How much of a upgrade would it be to go from a Socket 754 3000+ to socket 939 3200+ 90nm winchester core?

Or wouldnt there enough of performance upgrade to justify the cost?

 

[z3r0125]

Curently have a ASUS K8N-E Deluxe with a 3000+ thinking of going to a ABIT AV8 and a 3200+ nm90 core

 

[clarkey01]

not worth it.

 

[clarkey01]

I still have my 2000 + xp, im waiting for another 6 months because I want to see a huge performance jump. Goona get a 3800+ come july. But 3000 S745 to 3200 S939 isnt worth it.

 

[z3r0125]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
not worth it.

What if I went with the 3500+

 

[z3r0125]

Are they still gonna do that dual CPU later on this summer or was that just a rumor?

 

[rgwalt]

I wouldn't do it right now either... wait for the nForce 4 boards to come out and come down in price. It will be a good idea for future upgradability, but not right now.

Ryan

 

[clarkey01]

Dual opterons should be out q3,q4 this year but I am not sure about desktop CPU's. Erm 3500? maybe a little bit more powerful but your not talking much over your 3000+, maybe 10-15% in some cases. Dual channel will help the 3500+ wipe the floor with it in some tests but not worth IMO

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: z3r0125
Are they still gonna do that dual CPU later on this summer or was that just a rumor?

More towards the 3nd Half of this year. IIRC however Opterons are slated to have Dual Core at the End of Q2.

-Kevin

 

[Jhatfie]

I was sort of entertaining the idea of swapping my socket 754 3200+ for a Socket 939 3200+ myself. Not so much for a huge performance increase but mostly because I like to fool with new hardware. But with my current 3200+ at 2.6ghz, I just cannot jusify it just yet. At least not until the 90nm A64 cpus can OC to at least 2.9ghz on a somewhat regular basis on air or at least water cooling. Hopefully this will be the case when the newest revision is released here shortly.

Personally, I think that once DFI releases it's nForce4 board and ATI has it's X800XL actually available for purchase, then I'll try out socket 939. The dual core cpu's are going to be expensive at first, starting at about $700 when first released. Way outside of my meager budget.

 

[TStep]

I'd only swap if it was a matter of getting a VC that was not available in AGP.

Or, if I was just plain bored and needed some change.

 

[asm0deus]

wait until you can afford to overclock a 939 chip to 3GHz, seriously

 

[Abix]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
not worth it.

 

[nick1985]

Originally posted by: Abix

Originally posted by: clarkey01
not worth it.

 

[ts3433]

You have a perfectly fine setup that should last you (maybe with some overclocking) for quite a while, especially since PCIe will eventually trickle down to that socket.

 

[cyberknight]

it's more like a downgrade, unless if you plan on doing some serious overclocking.

 

[CraigRT]

0 performance upgrade

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: z3r0125
I was thinking of upgrading my mobo and processor.

How much of a upgrade would it be to go from a Socket 754 3000+ to socket 939 3200+ 90nm winchester core?

Or wouldnt there enough of performance upgrade to justify the cost?

not nearly enough to justify the cost; have both 754 and 939 rigs and there's minimal difference (intangible in most all circumstances).

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Not worth the money

 

[MadRat]

Actually unless you like castrated memory support, move to the S939. The S754 has alot of kinks in it that make it the budget baby. You may have not realized how much performance you're already missing due to you already living with the quirks and didn't even know it. Wouldn't it be nice to run more than single-channel performance? (Your m/b supports it but the CPU does not.) Wouldn't be nice to have room for upgrades to dual-chip cores? (The S754 is already EOL.) But I'd hold out for PCI-E to make it a little more flexible.

 

[Sc4freak]

I thought A64 doesn't benefit much from Dual-Channel? Like 1-3%?

 

[z3r0125]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Actually unless you like castrated memory support, move to the S939. The S754 has alot of kinks in it that make it the budget baby. You may have not realized how much performance you're already missing due to you already living with the quirks and didn't even know it. Wouldn't it be nice to run more than single-channel performance? (Your m/b supports it but the CPU does not.) Wouldn't be nice to have room for upgrades to dual-chip cores? (The S754 is already EOL.) But I'd hold out for PCI-E to make it a little more flexible.

PCI-E reallu isnt a comcerm of mine as I just got a BFG 6800 Ultra OC and I dont plan on upgrading that to soon.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Actually unless you like castrated memory support, move to the S939. The S754 has alot of kinks in it that make it the budget baby. You may have not realized how much performance you're already missing due to you already living with the quirks and didn't even know it. Wouldn't it be nice to run more than single-channel performance? (Your m/b supports it but the CPU does not.) Wouldn't be nice to have room for upgrades to dual-chip cores? (The S754 is already EOL.) But I'd hold out for PCI-E to make it a little more flexible.

the 754 is hardly "castrated" in any way whatsoever; dual channel mem support on 939 gives inconsequential performance advantages (as stated by sc4freak, a percentage point or two).

the only real advantage of 939 over 754 is a longer upgrade path; you'll see higher clocked cpu's for the 939 in the future - something unlikely for the 754 platform.

as for dual core cpu's, it's somewhat speculative they will work on current 939 boards/chipsets, tho there's been vague statements from amd that they might. at any rate, they will initially arrive on s940 platforms (opteron), with dual cores coming for desktops in the "second half" of '05, so up to a year away.

and pci-e? it will be some time before it provides a real advantage, and frankly current offereings (at least for amd) are hardly rock solid. just check these forums...

 

[chilled]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: MadRat
Actually unless you like castrated memory support, move to the S939. The S754 has alot of kinks in it that make it the budget baby. You may have not realized how much performance you're already missing due to you already living with the quirks and didn't even know it. Wouldn't it be nice to run more than single-channel performance? (Your m/b supports it but the CPU does not.) Wouldn't be nice to have room for upgrades to dual-chip cores? (The S754 is already EOL.) But I'd hold out for PCI-E to make it a little more flexible.

the 754 is hardly "castrated" in any way whatsoever; dual channel mem support on 939 gives inconsequential performance advantages (as stated by sc4freak, a percentage point or two).

the only real advantage of 939 over 754 is a longer upgrade path; you'll see higher clocked cpu's for the 939 in the future - something unlikely for the 754 platform.

as for dual core cpu's, it's somewhat speculative they will work on current 939 boards/chipsets, tho there's been vague statements from amd that they might. at any rate, they will initially arrive on s940 platforms (opteron), with dual cores coming for desktops in the "second half" of '05, so up to a year away.

and pci-e? it will be some time before it provides a real advantage, and frankly current offereings (at least for amd) are hardly rock solid. just check these forums...

Well put.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

not worth it.

the 754 3000 is the same speed Ghz wise as the 939 3200, so in apps that are less memory bandwidth intensive your gonna see zip all increase.
even when u can make use of the dual channel its still only what ? 5%? your not gonna notice, stick with what you have and save for better in the future