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[Cdubneeddeal]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: jinduy

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: DonVito
Booo. Not Booooo-urns. Bonds is a cheating asshole and has demeaned the record book the same way he demeans every game he plays in.

Sorry, but even if he DID do steroids, steroids don't help you hit a baseball.

:thumbsup:

And strength has nothing to do with how hard you can hit a baseball?

Strength has little to do with hitting a ball 400+ feet. If it did, body builders would be playing MLB instead of oiling their bodies every weekend.

I'll have to agree with that statement. Look at Ichiro. Now, I do still think that Bonds was juiced up and did help him get the home run title but I do agree with your statement.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: jinduy

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: DonVito
Booo. Not Booooo-urns. Bonds is a cheating asshole and has demeaned the record book the same way he demeans every game he plays in.

Sorry, but even if he DID do steroids, steroids don't help you hit a baseball.

:thumbsup:

And strength has nothing to do with how hard you can hit a baseball?

Strength has little to do with hitting a ball 400+ feet. If it did, body builders would be playing MLB instead of oiling their bodies every weekend.

How many grandmothers play? What about those 10 year old kids with hand/eye coordinations and reaction times of cats from playing CS all day? Geez man, think about what you just said. Strength has little to do with hitting a ball 400+ feet. *shakes head*

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Gigantopithecus

Originally posted by: jinduy

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: DonVito
Booo. Not Booooo-urns. Bonds is a cheating asshole and has demeaned the record book the same way he demeans every game he plays in.

Sorry, but even if he DID do steroids, steroids don't help you hit a baseball.

:thumbsup:

And strength has nothing to do with how hard you can hit a baseball?

Strength has little to do with hitting a ball 400+ feet. If it did, body builders would be playing MLB instead of oiling their bodies every weekend.

I'll have to agree with that statement. Look at Ichiro. Now, I do still think that Bonds was juiced up and did help him get the home run title but I do agree with your statement.

:laugh: Ichiro? Yeah... 'cause Ichiro is a home run hitting machine. Dude averages a whopping 11 dingers a year. He gets more hits than anyone... and only jacks out 11 times a year. Thanks for proving my point from earlier.

Steroids = more strength = faster bat speed/more power = more home runs

It's pretty simple. Bonds wouldn't be at 756 if he hadn't juiced. He would have never hit 73 in a season if he wasn't juiced. He'd be another five tool, first ballot hall of famer hitting 40 homers a year.

Ichiro's Stats. 1550 hits. 66 Home runs in 6 years. Or one HR every 69 at bats. Compare those numbers to Bonds and tell me strength doesn't make a difference. For that matter, compare Bonds pre-1998 to Bonds post-1998.

 

[dabuddha]

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[kedlav]

sonuvabitch admits to a grand jury he used the cream and clear for five years, yet all the idiotic apologists deny his use of steroids. Jeebus, sheeple...

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: rchiu
If it is so obvious to all you Bonds haters that his used steroids, why didn't the grand jury convict him and why didn't Bug Selig kick him out of the league. Do you all haters know more than the grand jury or the baseball commissioner? All the information you guys claim to have come from the media, and yeah we all know American media is unbiased and always 100% right.

Until Bonds is proven guilty, his achievement should be acknowledged.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmMONEY!

Yatta!

 

[fallenangel99]

Congrats to Bonds

"most-hallowed record.." according to SI.COM?? yeah right......

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: SampSon

you're an idiot...none of those "hitting records" involved hitting anywhere near 50, 60, or 70 hr in a season until he started using the cream & the clear

There is more to baseball than homeruns. The only idiot talking here is you. Look up the stats before you start spewing the crap.

Huh? Before he started to use roids he was great player but wasn't setting any records(home run/batting titles). He was a 30 home run / 30 steal / 300 average / gold glove left fielder. Only after gaining 50 pounds did he become a 40+ home run / .370 average hitter.

Have you actually looked at the stats, or are you going to just talk out of your ass? Saying he hasn't set any records "before the roids" is a ridiculously ignorant statement. He had quite a few 40 hr seasons and many just below 40. He has also hovered around a .300 ba for most of his career. What do you think would happen if any outstanding player put on 50 lbs of bulk? The amount of mass they put on doesn't have that much to do with the actual ability to hit the ball. Have you never seen a person, not only an athlete, get older and get serious about health and actually bulk up?

You both have the ability to go to wiki and look up Bonds' stats, so go do it.

Sure, Bonds was smaller when he was younger, but who wasn't? Babe Ruth was thin as a rail in his youth like bonds, then he got bigger and fatter, imagine if he actually was an athlete and not a drunk.

Always remember, if something happens that you just don't want to believe, you will always find reasons not to believe it.

Yes, I know his stats. Give me one record he broke prior to using steroids? Yes, he had great numbers but no record breaking ones.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Posted this in the 755 thread for all of the apologists:

Just one of many articles, if you do a google search on steroids and bat speed - http://www.usatoday.com/sports...cholars-steroids_x.htm

Yesalis, author of the book Anabolic Steroids in Sport and Exercise, says steroids produce greater muscle mass and that translates into faster bat speed.

Batting power is generated by muscles in the player's forearms, shoulders and especially the hips, all areas that can be improved with steroids.

"That increased bat speed means he can wait longer on the pitch," he says. "Even if the contact is not solid, the added power will give the ball more velocity."

He adds that more power can turn an infield ground ball into an outfield hit "and turn a regular home run into a tape-measure home run."

 

[meltdown75]

it's pretty crazy that he said, "it's not tainted. at all. at all."

whatever man... shriveled up balls and needle scars.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
The hilarious thing to me is that a majority of the people who rip on Bonds know absolutely nothing about him.

The hilarious thing is that there are so many Bonds apologists out there.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Originally posted by: SampSon
Go Bonds!
:roll: to all the haters.

The guy was setting records long before steroids were on anyones mind. In the 15 years he played prior to anyone considering a difference in his physique or performance he was setting records and leading the MLB in numerous hitting records. The guy was regarded as one of the best players ever before any of this ever happened.

Show me the proof of Bonds' substance use, absolute proof, and I'll show you proof that Lance Armstrong doped.

People just hate it when historical sports figured are unseated. I can't imagine the frenzy if anyone ever tops Gretzky's records.

LOL

I doubt anyone will top Gretzky for a long long time. Especially since he finessed his way into the record books.

I agree though, so many haters on Bonds, and so little reason. Playing baseball takes more than strength. All steroids could possibly have done is make him hit harder. It wouldn't increase his hit percentage etc.

 

[edro]

To all you Bonds haters:

<nelson> Ha Ha! </nelson>

Nice job Barry! Even if you are an asshole and you used steroids, it is a great accomplishment that NO ONE can take away from you now!

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: SilthDraeth

Originally posted by: SampSon
Go Bonds!
:roll: to all the haters.

The guy was setting records long before steroids were on anyones mind. In the 15 years he played prior to anyone considering a difference in his physique or performance he was setting records and leading the MLB in numerous hitting records. The guy was regarded as one of the best players ever before any of this ever happened.

Show me the proof of Bonds' substance use, absolute proof, and I'll show you proof that Lance Armstrong doped.

People just hate it when historical sports figured are unseated. I can't imagine the frenzy if anyone ever tops Gretzky's records.

LOL

I doubt anyone will top Gretzky for a long long time. Especially since he finessed his way into the record books.

I agree though, so many haters on Bonds, and so little reason. Playing baseball takes more than strength. All steroids could possibly have done is make him hit harder. It wouldn't increase his hit percentage etc.

Of course steroids would allow him to hit for a higher average, read my post above yours.

 

[trmiv]

So when does the lawsuit over the ball start?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: SampSon
Go Bonds!
:roll: to all the haters.

The guy was setting records long before steroids were on anyones mind. In the 15 years he played prior to anyone considering a difference in his physique or performance he was setting records and leading the MLB in numerous hitting records. The guy was regarded as one of the best players ever before any of this ever happened.

Show me the proof of Bonds' substance use, absolute proof, and I'll show you proof that Lance Armstrong doped.

People just hate it when historical sports figured are unseated. I can't imagine the frenzy if anyone ever tops Gretzky's records.

Huh? Before he started to use roids he was great player but wasn't setting any records(home run/batting titles). He was a 30 home run / 30 steal / 300 average / gold glove left fielder. Only after gaining 50 pounds did he become a 40+ home run / .370 average hitter.

being the 0nly 500 / 500 player of all time is note worthy. frankly if it hadn't been for steroids he probably would have been at 600 / 600 career, his steals went down significantly as his HR went up.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: SilthDraeth

Originally posted by: SampSon
Go Bonds!
:roll: to all the haters.

The guy was setting records long before steroids were on anyones mind. In the 15 years he played prior to anyone considering a difference in his physique or performance he was setting records and leading the MLB in numerous hitting records. The guy was regarded as one of the best players ever before any of this ever happened.

Show me the proof of Bonds' substance use, absolute proof, and I'll show you proof that Lance Armstrong doped.

People just hate it when historical sports figured are unseated. I can't imagine the frenzy if anyone ever tops Gretzky's records.

LOL

I doubt anyone will top Gretzky for a long long time. Especially since he finessed his way into the record books.

I agree though, so many haters on Bonds, and so little reason. Playing baseball takes more than strength. All steroids could possibly have done is make him hit harder. It wouldn't increase his hit percentage etc.

Of course steroids would allow him to hit for a higher average, read my post above yours.

I read your post. Hitting harder, and having greater bat speed doesn't mean he has better accuracy. His hand/eye coordination isn't going to magically increase because his muscles are pumped up.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Posted this in the 755 thread for all of the apologists:

Just one of many articles, if you do a google search on steroids and bat speed - http://www.usatoday.com/sports...cholars-steroids_x.htm

Yesalis, author of the book Anabolic Steroids in Sport and Exercise, says steroids produce greater muscle mass and that translates into faster bat speed.

Batting power is generated by muscles in the player's forearms, shoulders and especially the hips, all areas that can be improved with steroids.

"That increased bat speed means he can wait longer on the pitch," he says. "Even if the contact is not solid, the added power will give the ball more velocity."

He adds that more power can turn an infield ground ball into an outfield hit "and turn a regular home run into a tape-measure home run."

And yes we have already discussed in the other thread that while this looks credible, it is yet another article that posits an opinion as fact. Until we can see this proven, it does not prove anything in regards to steroids and the ability to hit a baseball.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: SilthDraeth

Originally posted by: SampSon
Go Bonds!
:roll: to all the haters.

The guy was setting records long before steroids were on anyones mind. In the 15 years he played prior to anyone considering a difference in his physique or performance he was setting records and leading the MLB in numerous hitting records. The guy was regarded as one of the best players ever before any of this ever happened.

Show me the proof of Bonds' substance use, absolute proof, and I'll show you proof that Lance Armstrong doped.

People just hate it when historical sports figured are unseated. I can't imagine the frenzy if anyone ever tops Gretzky's records.

LOL

I doubt anyone will top Gretzky for a long long time. Especially since he finessed his way into the record books.

I agree though, so many haters on Bonds, and so little reason. Playing baseball takes more than strength. All steroids could possibly have done is make him hit harder. It wouldn't increase his hit percentage etc.

Of course steroids would allow him to hit for a higher average, read my post above yours.

And of course, all of your points are just opinions at this point.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: SilthDraeth

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: SilthDraeth

Originally posted by: SampSon
Go Bonds!
:roll: to all the haters.

The guy was setting records long before steroids were on anyones mind. In the 15 years he played prior to anyone considering a difference in his physique or performance he was setting records and leading the MLB in numerous hitting records. The guy was regarded as one of the best players ever before any of this ever happened.

Show me the proof of Bonds' substance use, absolute proof, and I'll show you proof that Lance Armstrong doped.

People just hate it when historical sports figured are unseated. I can't imagine the frenzy if anyone ever tops Gretzky's records.

LOL

I doubt anyone will top Gretzky for a long long time. Especially since he finessed his way into the record books.

I agree though, so many haters on Bonds, and so little reason. Playing baseball takes more than strength. All steroids could possibly have done is make him hit harder. It wouldn't increase his hit percentage etc.

Of course steroids would allow him to hit for a higher average, read my post above yours.

I read your post. Hitting harder, and having greater bat speed doesn't mean he has better accuracy. His hand/eye coordination isn't going to magically increase because his muscles are pumped up.

This is what researches cannot prove and do not agree on either. But lets not let the facts get in the way of a bad argument!

 

[lizardboy]

Originally posted by: Legendary

Originally posted by: randumb

Originally posted by: lizardboy

Originally posted by: yankeesfan
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/

Someone take a look at the graphic on the frontpage. Could you get a screenshot of the *?

bonds.jpg

:laugh:

A friend and I are arguing about whether SI did this on purpose. I say nay, he disagrees.

Anyone have an idea? That's a whole lotta balls on SI's part if it's on purpose, no?
Also the grays don't match - look closely at the oval.

The stupidity is strong in this one.

 

[lizardboy]

Originally posted by: edro
To all you Bonds haters:

<nelson> Ha Ha! </nelson>

Nice job Barry! Even if you are an asshole and you used steroids, it is a great accomplishment that NO ONE can take away from you now!

A-Rod can and hopefully will take the record away.

 

[wyvrn]

Arod, if healthy, will shatter the record. I wonder if he uses steriods?

 

[jalaram]

Originally posted by: lizardboy

Originally posted by: edro
To all you Bonds haters:

<nelson> Ha Ha! </nelson>

Nice job Barry! Even if you are an asshole and you used steroids, it is a great accomplishment that NO ONE can take away from you now!

A-Rod can and hopefully will take the record away.

It's very hard to keep that kind of pace. Just ask Griffey Jr. I would've loved to see how far he could've gone without the injuries. That said, it would be great to see A-Rod keep it up.

Congrats to Barry. I have my doubts, but the fact remains that his hand-eye coordination was a bigger contributor to this mark than any enhancements.

SF Chronicle front page

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Arod, if healthy, will shatter the record. I wonder if he uses steriods?

ARod will have to hit 35 to 40 HR / season for 7 more seasons to break the record, which i figure will probably be at 760 to 765.

i think he has a shot at breaking it, but shattering, i don't know, it would take at least 8 seasons of 35 to 40 hr / season for ARod to get in the 780 to 790 range. not an easy accomplishment and not one i would say is a given.