75GXP just Died today ...

BurnItDwn

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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Well, one of my two 75GB Drives has just started making chirping noises and locking up my PC .... It lasted pretty long for a 75GXP. Time to RMA
 

Goosemaster

Lifer
Apr 10, 2001
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..and may it rest it piece


....not manhandled and repeatedly violated by IBM Technicians bent on putting her back on the streets...





I've had a hard day...






 

kuk

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Jul 20, 2000
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My 45GB 75GXP is in a RMA process ... IBM surprised me by shipping a new drive 3 days after receiving it. I'll post here telling whatever HD I'll get back .... if I ever receive it. I put the return to address where my dad lives, but he'll be moving out on friday. Is it possible to contact the carrier and ask them to deliver in another place, if it doesn't get there by the end of the week?
 

MangoX

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Feb 13, 2001
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I remember reading somewhere that the new IBM 120GXP are not supposed to be run more than 8 hours a day...
 

SuprSi

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One of mine died about 6 months ago, and the other doesn't sound too hot either. I'll never buy another IBM hard disk after my experience with these.

 

Curley

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Oct 30, 1999
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I RMA'd my first IBM drive in 3 years. I've bought 37 IBM drives (I build systems as a hobby) in that time. They shipped my replacement drive the same day they received my dead drive. As far as the 333 hours, or 8 hours a day stuff, it has been changed to 24/7 by IBM and other hard drive manfacturers. MOST IF NOT ALL drive manufacturers used the 333/8 hours stuff in thier 175 page drive document specifications. I must be the luckiest guy in the world. I couldn't wait for one of my drives to die. It seemed that every other hard drive (IBM) is supposed to die. I think the one thing that I've always done with 7200 RPM drives is to attach a hard drive cooler, because I think it is heat that is killing other peoples IBM drives. I wouldn't hesitate to buy an IBM hard drive.

My RMA Drive status page


Curley



 

Bert742

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Mar 17, 2002
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Read this:

"IBM drives don't work overtime
by Geoff "Dissonance" Gasior - 01:36 pm, March 8, 2002

Apparently, IBM's latest drives aren't supposed to put in more than an 8-hour work day. Storagereview has the scoop on the 120GXP drives, straight from an IBM rep:
Q: Would you recommend this drive in a server role?
A: No, the drive is intended to be on for no more than about 8 hours a day. If it were only used during that period and then shut down for the day, then it would be fine, but it definitely should NOT be used in a 24/7 role for those customers concerned with reliability.
This new specification could explain the seemingly higher than average failure rates for IBM's 75GXP drives, but IBM declined to comment due to the current lawsuit they're facing. Suffice to say it's probably best to stay away from IBM's new 120GXPs if you work, or play a lot of overtime. "

"IBM's hard drive debacle grows
by Scott "Damage" Wasson - 12:00 am, March 19, 2002

By now, most of us are familiar with the serious reliability problems with IBM GXP-series hard drives (75GXP and 60GXP, primarily). Apparently high failure rates have even spawned a class-action suit against IBM. Then there was an IBM tech's bizarre recommendation revealed last week that 120GXP drives not be used more than eight hours a day. Sites like StorageReview and VIAHardware have withdrawn recommendations of IBM hard drives.
IBM has finally responded to StorageReview's questions with a clarification of sorts:

The 333 power-on hours (POH) defined in the 120GXP data sheet is not a new spec for our GXP drives; it is consistent with what we've held our desktop drives to in previous generation drives. The 333 power-on spec is not an indication of a maximum number of power-on hours or limitation of the Deskstar 120GXP.
Our specifications indicate that the 333 power-on hours per month represent typical desktop PC usage. This assumes an 11-hour day based on a 30 day month. Users can and have successfully run the drive more than 11 hours a day and 333 hours per month; the drives have been used successfully in 24x7 environments.

IBM stands by the 3-year warranty for the 120GXP. Power-on hours will not be a determining factor in negating the warranty.

However, warranties are only so useful when your drive crashes and takes your critical data with it. To date, IBM has said next to nothing about GXP failure rates, and without solid failure rate data, it's hard to know how bad the problems are.
But as I sat here this weekend recovering data from my dad's failed 60GXP, I got a new hint at the true scope of the problem. It's called The Thread That Won't Die. Ever since Andy first wrote up a news post asking for GXP drive failure (or success) stories back in August, the comments have been coming in. Unlike most of our other comments threads, which tend to die as soon as any trace of them vanishes from TR's front page, this thing has only picked up steam over time. And the stories folks are telling are not pretty. Read through some of them and see what I mean. It's phenomenal?and phenomenally depressing.

Since I recommended 75GXP drives in this very space before all of this started, I should probably say something more. In case you haven't gotten it through your head yet, don't buy IBM hard drives, especially the ATA variety (the GXP line). I'm not sure what's more disturbing: the drives' apparently extremely high failure rates or IBM's lack of communication with customers and the press. Either way, though, IBM doesn't deserve your business. If you value your data (or your time), pass on the GXP drives.

As an alternative, I recommend Maxtor's DiamondMax Plus D740X drives. Dr. John from KickAss Gear sent along a bunch of these for us to use in testing, and I've been very impressed with them. The D740X has some of the best seek times around, which makes its performance in everyday use feel astoundingly fast. Otherwise identically configured test rigs turn in significantly higher Winstone scores with the D740X than with the 75GXP. Also, these drives support ATA/133, so they're good to go on boards with the latest Highpoint ATA RAID controllers. Those of you still hanging on to your GXP drives might want to consider a preemptive upgrade to a D740X. (Damage eyes the Damagebox warily.) There's no better excuse to upgrade than this one. "

 

Curley

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Oct 30, 1999
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Bert,

I have read that article in March, this one was written in June 2002.

"At first there appeared some info on IBM's official site saying that IBM didn't recommend using 120GXP HDDs for over 333hours a month. In fact this number is very logical: 30 days, 11 hours per day (which is actually the way I work, for instance). However, the users, who have already heard a lot of rumors about massive IBM HDD failures (which were pretty exaggerated I should say), considered this IBM's statement as their intention to break the warranty. We will hardly ever find out what the actual aim of these limitations was, because very soon these lines disappeared from the company web-site. Maybe it was Harry Potter's joke?

And now let me share with you IBM's official position about these limitations of the service time of 120GXP HDDs. It sounds like that: "the HDDs can work 24x7 without any limitations, as they are subject to full IBM warranty". "

Leader in Hard Drive Performance


Curley

 

mfavin

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Apr 20, 2001
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I just got my 45GB DeathStar replacement a few days ago. I haven't tried it yet. The RMA process took about 3 weeks total, and the replacement was sent directly from Malaysia or Indonesia. When you check the return ship date, give it 2 weeks to get to you.

At least IBM makes it easy to return using the website.


 

dexvx

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Feb 2, 2000
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I dunno what happened to IBM.

But I have a IBM Deskstar 20.5GB 7200 rpm ATA/66 drive and its now on my Linux Server up 24/7 and still no problems, 2 years running.
 

Curley

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Oct 30, 1999
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mfavin,

I received my RMA'd drive today. I really didn't expect it so soon. Just goes to show that I am still having good luck with ibm and thru my own experience, one drive out of 37 is pretty good.

Curley
 

Rado45

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Aug 30, 2000
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hmmm...
I've got a 46gb 75gxp IBM HD in my system and had it for over a year and a half now (almost 2 years i think), any ideas on how much longer it'll last?
Haven't had any problems at all with it so far, don't expect to have any problems with it honestly.

Good luck with your RMA.
 

Lucky

Lifer
Nov 26, 2000
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lost my 2nd ibm HD today, an OEM that IBM wont replace. 20 gig made n the phillipines.
 

TNTrulez

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Aug 3, 2001
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Originally posted by: dexvx
I dunno what happened to IBM.

But I have a IBM Deskstar 20.5GB 7200 rpm ATA/66 drive and its now on my Linux Server up 24/7 and still no problems, 2 years running.

Not all hard drives fail.
 

Curley

Senior member
Oct 30, 1999
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I think IBM had a bad batch roll off the assembly line and the quality assurance inspectors in Hungy or Malasia were at the local pub. I've had and higher failure ratio with western digital. IBM is selling thier hard drive division to Hitachi. One mistake and your gone in the computer industry, just like 3DFX. They miss one cutoff, and it is over!!!

The one constant in the computer industry is change.

Curley
 
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