777 crash at san Francisco airport

[chubbyfatazn]

Anyone watching the CNN report right now? What a joke.

3 rows of seats... left wing missing... cartwheeling... jesus

edit:

"cruises above 43000 feet"

It sure as hell doesn't.

"first flight in 1990"

The first one wasn't even rolled out until 1994.

 

[CA19100]

Looks like the tail struck some rocks at the start of the runway. Pilot error?

Way too early to say. Note that all of the vertical guidance systems (both electronic and visual) for the normal landing runways at SFO are shut down for construction.

A mechanical issue is also a possibility. British Airways landed short a few years ago due to an issue with the Rolls Royce engines. I believe all of Asiana's are powered by Pratt & Whitney engines, which haven't had any such issues.

As I said, way too early to say, or to hang this on the pilots without an investigation.

 

[sunzt]

The "cartwheel" comment is a horrible description for what actually was a spin (like a top) around the vertical axis.

I thought it was initially pilot error due to the short landing, but some witness statements seem to indicate a "pop", some fire coming out the bottom, and then the tail fell off right as it was trying to land. So now i think it could be a cargo fire or mechanical problems.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Anyone watching the CNN report right now? What a joke.

3 rows of seats... left wing missing... cartwheeling... jesus

edit:

"cruises above 43000 feet"

It sure as hell doesn't.

"first flight in 1990"

The first one wasn't even rolled out until 1994.

it was the same for their reporting on fukushima. "facts be damned, we need to pump this up to hollywood action blockbuster status!"

 

[Svnla]

I was on the same airline (Asiana) with same airplane type (777) flew from the same airport (Incheon) to LAX just a few months ago. Yike.

 

[Dari]

Was this plane coming from Seoul or Taipei? A coworker's wife was supposed to be on an Asiana Seoul-SFO flight today.

Fuck, it's this one. Hope she's ok...

 

[Svnla]

Was this plane coming from Seoul or Taipei? A coworker's wife was supposed to be on an Asiana Seoul-SFO flight today.

Seoul and not Taipei because Asiana = one of the two largest S. Korean airlines. The other one is Korea Airline.

Similar as Japan. ANA (All Nippon Airline) and JAL (Japan Airline) are two of the largest airlines from Japan.

 

[zinfamous]

local news currently says group of children on their way to spend the summer in SF, also a team of martial artists on the plane.

so far 2 deaths, 40 critical.

 

[zinfamous]

Was this plane coming from Seoul or Taipei? A coworker's wife was supposed to be on an Asiana Seoul-SFO flight today.

Fuck, it's this one. Hope she's ok...

yes, confirmed from Seoul. Hope she is OK.

 

[Dari]

yes, confirmed from Seoul. Hope she is OK.

Me too. We're trying to reach out to him but he's got bigger problems and isn't answering.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Three years ago I swore to never fly again. I trust the aircraft completely. I don't trust human error.

At least my car is designed to crash and protect the occupants. Plus, I still have some amount of control of the situation. In a plane you're just f*cked.

 

[davmat787]

Three years ago I swore to never fly again. I trust the aircraft completely. I don't trust human error.

At least my car is designed to crash and protect the occupants. Plus, I still have some amount of control of the situation. In a plane you're just f*cked.

I would happily fly to Seoul tonight using Asiana 777 out of Seattle. The ride to the airport would be by far the most dangerous part of the journey.

 

[davmat787]

One aspect sticking out to me is the fact that the aircraft was perhaps 50 feet to the right of the centerline. If it was lined up appropriately, the tail section that struck the rocks would have hit the lights where they meet the rocks instead.

So did the pilot know he was too low and moved to the right so to avoid the lights? Or is this fact inconsequential to the accident?

I used to spend a lot of time at around runways taking photographs for Boeing and magazines, and I have never seen an aircraft land so wide of the centerline. The aircrafts right rear bogey would have barely been on the runway had it the tail not struck so early.

 

[LegendKiller]

Three years ago I swore to never fly again. I trust the aircraft completely. I don't trust human error.

At least my car is designed to crash and protect the occupants. Plus, I still have some amount of control of the situation. In a plane you're just f*cked.

I just dont understand this mentality. You are far more likely to get killed in a car by a drunk driver or texter than you are to die on a planr. It is simple statistics. You may not be in control but your control is not absolute and considering the low level of training for driving vs piloting you are better off flying.

Do the world a favor and read freakonomics.

 

[NFS4]

Do the world a favor and use common sense.

**Fixed**

 

[Fritzo]

it was the same for their reporting on fukushima. "facts be damned, we need to pump this up to hollywood action blockbuster status!"

"Kent Brockman here reporting on a crisis so serious it has its own name and theme music."

 

[BD231]

99% of the time it seems, plane crashes are due to either pilot error or mechanical failure. A passenger has no control over those things. When I drive my vehicle, I'M in control. I also know that the vehicle has been properly maintained.

Until your brand new break callipers snap on one wheel sending you hydroplaning into a wall doing 65. Ever had an engine smash a dashboard into your knees/hips? Or an suv doing 60 rear end you while at a dead stop in traffic? Not saying I'd take a plane crash over car but you're definitely not always in control while in a vehicle accident.

 

[richardycc]

heard that Facebook CEO was supposed to be on this plane...

 

[chowderhead]

I just dont understand this mentality. You are far more likely to get killed in a car by a drunk driver or texter than you are to die on a planr. It is simple statistics. You may not be in control but your control is not absolute and considering the low level of training for driving vs piloting you are better off flying.

Do the world a favor and read freakonomics.

It's definitely the sense of loss of control regarding air travel.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...safety-airline-crashes-survivability/2495601/
Researchers at Massachusetts Institute of Technology have said the fatality rate of 0.2 for every 1 million airline departures makes air travel safer than other forms of transportation, including escalators.

 

[waggy]

wow CNN saying 60 unaccounted for? damn.

 

[Jaskalas]

Researchers at Massachusetts Institute of Technology have said the fatality rate of 0.2 for every 1 million airline departures makes air travel safer than other forms of transportation, including escalators.

...

 

[Fritzo]

It's definitely the sense of loss of control regarding air travel.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...safety-airline-crashes-survivability/2495601/
Researchers at Massachusetts Institute of Technology have said the fatality rate of 0.2 for every 1 million airline departures makes air travel safer than other forms of transportation, including escalators.

I read you're 7x more likely to die from an asteroid impact than from air travel. That makes me feel safe

 

[5150Joker]

It's definitely the sense of loss of control regarding air travel.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...safety-airline-crashes-survivability/2495601/
Researchers at Massachusetts Institute of Technology have said the fatality rate of 0.2 for every 1 million airline departures makes air travel safer than other forms of transportation, including escalators.

I'd still rather drive or ride a train.

 

[Jaskalas]

wow CNN saying 60 unaccounted for? damn.

That's really bad. Time to pray that the airport is incompetent at tracking people it took off the plane...the alternative is that they never made it off.

 

[Lurknomore]

At first when I saw the tail missing and away from the fuselage, I thought it could've been a previous tailstrike, shoddy maintenance, and separation of the rear bulkhead- that would've caused total loss of flight controls, with the hydraulics, vertical and horizontal stabilizers there.
But when I heard that the tail separated on landing, then it could be very well be pilot error- one of those coming high above the glidescope, trying to come down steep, and badly miscalculating. Just guesses, but I def. think it's pilot error.
RIP to those victims.