780/770 sales appear slow

[SolMiester]

I bought my first 7950 in April of last year...haven't had any issues with it since then. Which single card issues are you referring to?

LOL, are you serious?

 

[trungrd]

LOL, are you serious?

I also have a 7950 for awhile and haven't had any issues with gaming. Am I suppose to?

 

[2is]

The 700 series aren't exactly "new" 770 is a slightly improved 680 and the 780 is a slightly toned down Titan. They're built on a now mature process and don't have the shortage/yield issues commonly associated with a new card on a new node.

 

[wand3r3r]

LOL, are you serious?

I'd wonder the same.

When have you used an AMD card again with all the "expertise" of yours that everyone must be having issues with them?

 

[SolMiester]

I'd wonder the same.

When have you used an AMD card again with all the "expertise" of yours that everyone must be having issues with them?

You want to edit that, so I know how to answer?

 

[Granseth]

I am also one of those who are getting tired by being told that my 7970 have had a lot of issues and terrible drivers.
I'm sure the performance has improved, but thats not a problem, I bought it based on the release reviews, and every improvement is a bonus.
I've read about stuttering issues, but I've somehow haven't noticed them, or maybe haven't been playing the right games.

To be honest the 7970 that I thought was a stupidly expensive card has come out as one of my best graphics investments since no improvements have come before GTX 780, and that was almost 1 1/2 years after I bought my GPU.

And as other people have posted, it's no reason to upgrade to 770/780 if you had a 7970/680 before and I'm sure that might be golding back sales. But I am also thinking that a lot of people have been itching to buy something new, me included, and might be even be willing to upgrade for small improvements. For me I'm just hoping I can hold out until some bigger improvements comes along, 25-30% seems to me to be to little for 1 1/2 years.

 

[Ben90]

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...08319&csid=_61

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...90158&csid=_61

Just want to point out that the first was out of stock when I was purchasing my Haswell system, and now the second one (that I ordered) is now on backorder -_-

 

[Fx1]

Unfortunately, AMD still doesn't have a good top-end offering or a good mGPU solution.

I just got a second 7950 to xfire as a stop-gap solution to get to 120 FPS without having to shell out for a 780 or 690... and so far I'm still trying to figure out what everything is doing. And 40 FPS on xfire is a non-stop stutterfest. It's reasons like this that make the 780 look more and more appealing ($650 vs $500-600 for 2x 7950, but at least I don't have to fiddle with it)

Turn on Vsync and cap FPS to 59 and i bet your issues are fixed.

 

[exar333]

If you previously purchased a 670/680/7950/7970, then the 770 is really no use to you.

If you previously purchased a Titan (or 2, or 3) then the 780 is of no use to you.

The new series is great, but not really compelling vs. the previous offerings. If $1000 was 'too rich for your blood' then I don't see a lot of people all of a sudden thinking $~700 is 'just fine'. Although you can get 3 780's for the same price as 2 Titans....

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'd wonder the same.

When have you used an AMD card again with all the "expertise" of yours that everyone must be having issues with them?

He does this in a lot of threads, it isn't anything new. He probably hasn't owned an AMD/ATi card since the Radeon 9800 Pro/XT days but writes his posts in a way that make it sound like he's had nothing but problems. Yet when Nvidia drivers have problems it is ignored.

The AMD drivers for my 2900, 4870, and 5870 were absolutely flawless for me. And I really mean flawless. For the games I played, the things I did, I never once had a hint of a problem. I'll be the first to admit my driver experience with the 7970 has been a little different, there have been quirks here and there that I've found and dealt with. Nothing that ever even approached more than an annoying minor problem, but definitely not perfect. But the last few releases I've used have been trouble free to this point.

 

[Spjut]

The AMD drivers for my 2900, 4870, and 5870 were absolutely flawless for me. And I really mean flawless. For the games I played, the things I did, I never once had a hint of a problem. I'll be the first to admit my driver experience with the 7970 has been a little different, there have been quirks here and there that I've found and dealt with. Nothing that ever even approached more than an annoying minor problem, but definitely not perfect. But the last few releases I've used have been trouble free to this point.

IME, most driver complaints about both Nvidia and AMD come from users that use Crossfire/Sli.
There are extreme cases like Rage though(undeniably worse on AMD, but bad on Nvidia as well first) but they are relatively rare


The best thing IMO with Nvidia's drivers is that they specify that the 400/500 series still are getting improvements. Nvidia also still has their DX10/10.1 cards supported in their normal drivers.

 

[thilanliyan]

LOL, are you serious?

Yes I am. Keep in mind I don't play the newest games constantly so I may not be affected by the issues you are thinking about. I am curious to hear which issues you are talking about, so list away please. Issues that you have personally run across would be good too (assuming you have used one of the cards you are referring to). Thanks.

 

[Nate_007]

I dont know if its slow because they cant keep up with the demands. But I have been waiting ever since it came out at ncix.ca to restock the 780's. I am specifically waiting for Evga gtx 780 SC w/ACX cooler but its on back order. Even if I pre-order there is still line up, and I dont want to pay $700 and have me wait for weeks/month before I get my product.

 

[Eureka]

I think it's because the ACX has good reviews so far and everyone (who's going to buy a 780 anyway) is holding out so they can buy an ACX model.

Even on EVGA they ran out of stock a few hours after coming back in.

 

[paul878]

They are flying of the shelf at newegg. I order my EVGA ACX yestoday as soon as I got the in stock notification. For people that haven't upgraded in a few years price don't really matter. It's just Galaxy and Zotac that no one want to touch for some reason.

 

[Rvenger]

LOL, are you serious?

LOL, are you serious?

 

[Fx1]

They are flying of the shelf at newegg. I order my EVGA ACX yestoday as soon as I got the in stock notification. For people that haven't upgraded in a few years price don't really matter. It's just Galaxy and Zotac that no one want to touch for some reason.

Of course price matters.

£600 for a GPU lol. JOG ON NVIDIA!

Thats as much as a top end CF/SLI setup normally.

 

[Stuka87]

LOL, are you serious?

I bought my 7950 2 weeks after launch and it has been flawless. Please enlighten me to the issues that I am having, yet don't know about.

 

[SirPauly]

2012 AMD and NVIDIA Driver Performance Summary Review

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/03/...ver_performance_summary_review/6#.Ua-SR5wUbd0

A constructive nit-pick about earlier driver performance and a lack of consistency from a third party that investigated it.

 

[Nate_007]

What the heck man, ncix.ca now list GTX 780 SC w/ACX for $760.53!! Is something wrong with my computer?!? I swear yesterday it was below $700. I guess they are trying to stop people from pre-ordering it.

 

[Lepton87]

Did you even read the post?....NV is miles ahead of AMD when it comes to releasing products...WTF are you talking about high end cards for?...Im talking about drivers, software, OOB experience, marketing and product delivery. All of which AMD is a runner up in!

GTX680 was also a luck-luster improvement over 580. I'm talking about high-end cards because you picked on 7970 for delivering little improvement over previous generation.
Yeah, NV is miles ahead in product delivery, AMD had the whole line-up released when NV released GTX680, the same holds true for AMD's 5series and NV's 4series, NV is always late to adopt a new process node, in the past they at least brought great performance improvements but now it took them 1.5 year to bring a high-end card to the market. Also I couldn't care less about marketing. You specifically picked on 7970 and its drivers and then backtracked that you were talking about other things. If someone was expecting mature drivers for a whole new architecture like GCN over previous VLIW 5/4 then he was clearly delusional. When NV released 8800GTX they also had many issues with the drivers especially in Vista. It'd say it was worse then 7970.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Personally I really would like a viable 3rd player in video cards it would rationalize the prices. I know this will never happen though.
Seems like there aren't any great gaming cards in the $150 range any longer. I know the 550 boost exists but even there it seems like you have to make some big trade offs.

 

[SiliconWars]

I guess Nvidia was slow getting the new stickers out to their partners.

 

[SolMiester]

GTX680 was also a luck-luster improvement over 580. I'm talking about high-end cards because you picked on 7970 for delivering little improvement over previous generation.
Yeah, NV is miles ahead in product delivery, AMD had the whole line-up released when NV released GTX680, the same holds true for AMD's 5series and NV's 4series, NV is always late to adopt a new process node, in the past they at least brought great performance improvements but now it took them 1.5 year to bring a high-end card to the market. Also I couldn't care less about marketing. You specifically picked on 7970 and its drivers and then backtracked that you were talking about other things. If someone was expecting mature drivers for a whole new architecture like GCN over previous VLIW 5/4 then he was clearly delusional. When NV released 8800GTX they also had many issues with the drivers especially in Vista. It'd say it was worse then 7970.

You know as well as i do, that the issues were due to the new dx10 API, which AMD didnt have a card for...

As for the 7970, I dont know why all the bickering, these forums are littered with threads concerning the 7970 driver releases....Fact of the matter is, while the 7970 is excellent hardware, its driver development has been and still is poor, that cant be argued, and I LOL at all the deniers...whatever, its no skin off my nose.

 

[thilanliyan]

its driver development has been and still is poor, that cant be argued, and I LOL at all the deniers...whatever, its no skin off my nose.

So you have proof in the form of links or personal experience? I can guarantee you for every AMD game issue you link to, I can link to an nVidia one as well. But I'd like to see all these issues you claim are there, so list away.

Lol all you want, you generalized and can't back anything up obviously. You claim that the drivers are poor, several people have claimed otherwise and your only response is "LOL"? Great argument there, shows that your opinions must be grounded in fact and not incorrect generalizations.

CF may be another story...I have no experience with it so I don't know. I am talking about single cards as I said in my first response to you.

I'll be the first to admit that video cards have driver issues but that happens with BOTH camps. I have had more issues with nV cards (mostly with the 8800GTS 640 I had) but that has never actually stopped me from buying more nV cards, and I certainly haven't slammed nV at every opportunity over that. You make it sound as if the 7XXX cards are horribly crippled and you couldn't play any games on them. Next time, at least present some facts or personal experience before generalizing. It is honestly really annoying to hear people who probably have no personal experience to begin with slam drivers from one camp or the other. As I said I had my card since April last year and I haven't had any issues...am I the luckiest AMD owner, or could it be that you are incorrect?

Have you even USED a 7 series card to know that "driver development has been and still is poor"?