7800GTX @ $450 or wait for X1800XT @ 550++ ?

[Cooler]

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26756

Just Confirmed that the x1800XT has allot of head room to be OC and PE might be coming out.

 

[biostud]

I just ordered a 7800GTX. Reason? see sig

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: munky
I dont think you can go wrong with either choice, but in the long run the x1800xt would be a better choice, unless you have a preference for Doom3-based games. If Nv releases a 512mb gtx, it'll probably be sold for the same price as the x1800xt, not $100 cheaper. So currently the gtx is not exactly a bargain, you get what you pay for. But since the gtx is overall slower and is missing some features, even a 512mb version should be cheaper than the x1800xt, but we'll see how that turns out.

i diagree in regards to the xt being the "better choice in the long run"... xt gives up a lot more compared to the gtx in ogl (it's not just "doom 3 based games") than gtx does to xt in d3d games... and quake4 is gonna rock

i'll withhold judgementon FEAR until the retail version comes out, which won't be very long.

as far as features, the xt doesn't offer a lot more compared to gtx. the only real factor to me is the better filtering options in favor of the xt, but frankly nv could do the same via drivers if they were willing (just go back to the pre-nv40 af).

aa modes are pretty comparable, tho the 6xaa doesn't have a comparable nv mode, however the same could be said for nv 8x mode.

sli is certainly preferrable to crossfire (more mature, less tedious dual card implementation).

the extra 250mb of ram is nice, but not worth the premium. if the extra ram is that important you might just wait to see if xt prices come down, or what the 512mb version of the gtx comes in at.

don't get me wrong, i'm not dissin' the xt - if price and avail were comparable, i'd have a hard time choosing (i'd lean towards the xt but still have reasons i prefer nv) but the reality is not much seperates the 2 cards - except price and availability. all the hype and pr doesn't make up for the fact we still don't know when or how many xt cards will be avail in retail...

if one really wants to "look for the long run", i'd wait and compare r580 vs g80... g70 is 6 mo. old; likely won't be too long of a wait.

 

[nippyjun]

Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Why pay more for a product that isnt even released yet and you dont know if it'll be avalalible at launch....just my thought

ditto

 

[Kaeishiwaza]

Well I just pulled the trigger on the GTX last night. I need an upgrade and I can't wait another 2 months of so for the X1800XT to become available. I did not get an SLI mobo because I think by the time the GTX becomes obsolescent there will probably be a better solution than going SLI with another GTX. I'm figuring the 7800 will be a satisfactory card for at least a year, hopefully longer.

 

[SuperU21]

The only reason I'm being a little impatient is the fact I can sense the x850xt I've got now gets pretty stressed w/ 4xAA 4xAF on @ 1680x1050

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: munky
I dont think you can go wrong with either choice, but in the long run the x1800xt would be a better choice, unless you have a preference for Doom3-based games. If Nv releases a 512mb gtx, it'll probably be sold for the same price as the x1800xt, not $100 cheaper. So currently the gtx is not exactly a bargain, you get what you pay for. But since the gtx is overall slower and is missing some features, even a 512mb version should be cheaper than the x1800xt, but we'll see how that turns out.

i diagree in regards to the xt being the "better choice in the long run"... xt gives up a lot more compared to the gtx in ogl (it's not just "doom 3 based games") than gtx does to xt in d3d games... and quake4 is gonna rock

i'll withhold judgementon FEAR until the retail version comes out, which won't be very long.

as far as features, the xt doesn't offer a lot more compared to gtx. the only real factor to me is the better filtering options in favor of the xt, but frankly nv could do the same via drivers if they were willing (just go back to the pre-nv40 af).

aa modes are pretty comparable, tho the 6xaa doesn't have a comparable nv mode, however the same could be said for nv 8x mode.

sli is certainly preferrable to crossfire (more mature, less tedious dual card implementation).

the extra 250mb of ram is nice, but not worth the premium. if the extra ram is that important you might just wait to see if xt prices come down, or what the 512mb version of the gtx comes in at.

don't get me wrong, i'm not dissin' the xt - if price and avail were comparable, i'd have a hard time choosing (i'd lean towards the xt but still have reasons i prefer nv) but the reality is not much seperates the 2 cards - except price and availability. all the hype and pr doesn't make up for the fact we still don't know when or how many xt cards will be avail in retail...

if one really wants to "look for the long run", i'd wait and compare r580 vs g80... g70 is 6 mo. old; likely won't be too long of a wait.

We all have our opinions. I still think the x1800xt is better.

The thing that bugs me is the fact that 1 year from now, with the introduction of Vista/DX10, we'll have the r600 and whatever Nv has then. On the one hand it's tempting to wait for the r580, since it seems just around the corner, and should offer 3x the shader power of the r520. But given that the g70, r520 and r580 will likely be outdated tech in about 1 year, I see no reason to put off upgrading much longer. Hence, although the r580 seems like it'll dwarf any previous card in performance, it's life-time seems to be cut short by DX10 and the r600.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Cooler
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=26756

Just Confirmed that the x1800XT has allot of head room to be OC and PE might be coming out.

I would almost believe that if they were not already using a dual slot cooler. I guess they could use a 3 slot cooler or water cooling.

 

[Maetryx]

My eVGA 7800GTX w/ Battlefield 2 showed up at 11:00AM... and I'm at work (doh!). When I get it installed in my new system, it will be pumping pixels to my Dell 2405FPW 1920x1080 LCD. My 6600GT and Athlon XP 2100+ are about to go the way of the dinosaurs.

Well, assuming that dinosaurs go to one's wife when they're obsolete.

I'll be running an oveclocked Athlon X2 3800+, 7800GTX, 2GB Dual Channel DDR, all on a DFI LanParty SLI-DR... *tonight*. I can't believe I'm sitting here at work...

 

[biostud]

Originally posted by: Maetryx
My eVGA 7800GTX w/ Battlefield 2 showed up at 11:00AM... and I'm at work (doh!). When I get it installed in my new system, it will be pumping pixels to my Dell 2405FPW 1920x1080 LCD. My 6600GT and Athlon XP 2100+ are about to go the way of the dinosaurs.

Well, assuming that dinosaurs go to one's wife when they're obsolete.

I'll be running an oveclocked Athlon X2 3800+, 7800GTX, 2GB Dual Channel DDR, all on a DFI LanParty SLI-DR... *tonight*. I can't believe I'm sitting here at work...

mine is still in order

X2 3800+
2x1Gb Corsair TwinX C2
DFI Infinity SLI
Hitachi 250gb T7K250 SATA-II
Asetek CPU/VGA/Chipset watercooling 3x120mm radiator
Seasonic S-12 600W
Asus 7800GTX

 

[jiffylube1024]

IMO it's a no brainer - if you need the card now - get the 7800GTX. The X1800XT is indeed a bit faster (not much), but you will end up paying $100 more in a month - in that time you could be enjoying the fastest card on the market, the 7800GTX, for $100 less. There's no guarantee of availability on the X1800XT yet, so if it's rare then prices could be higher until the late christmas season.

Btw, I'm running an X850XT PE and it plays everything just fine on my 2005fpw, so that 7800GTX should be money.

Cheers!

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
check out the new article by Derek, the x1800xt generally pulls away from the GTX when AA/AF is enabled

What do you think having twice the memory might have to do with it? Anyway I'd like to see it go against a 512MB 7800GTX. If it is still superior then I know what to buy (if i can afford it that is).

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
check out the new article by Derek, the x1800xt generally pulls away from the GTX when AA/AF is enabled

What do you think having twice the memory might have to do with it? Anyway I'd like to see it go against a 512MB 7800GTX. If it is still superior then I know what to buy.

ummm, yeah. op is considering a GTX NOW, as in the 256 variation.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug

Originally posted by: sxr7171

Originally posted by: Corporate Thug
check out the new article by Derek, the x1800xt generally pulls away from the GTX when AA/AF is enabled

What do you think having twice the memory might have to do with it? Anyway I'd like to see it go against a 512MB 7800GTX. If it is still superior then I know what to buy.

ummm, yeah. op is considering a GTX NOW, as in the 256 variation.

Basically you're giving him a reason to consider waiting for the X1800XT, by which time he might end up being swayed back by a 512MB 7800GTX (the operative word here is "might").

 

[vikingblade]

all valid points. however, im suprised no one is mentioning the obvious Image quality problems many of the 7800's are plagued with as a big factor in a decision between the two. im in a similar situation...upgrade now and just accept the IQ issue or wait n see if the radeons can offer comparable performance with superior IQ w/AA and HDR. i could be wrong, but shouldnt/arnt the 1800's a more modern, future proof card??

if the 7800 didnt have the IQ problem, i would go that way immediately. as it is, dunno if i can bring myself to spend 400 bucks on a product with a problem.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: SuperU21
If I find a 7800GTX for 400 flat ... I'm pulling the trigger ^_^

You can do about $430 flat right now. I'd find the other $30 and get with the program

 

[TomKazansky]

the x1800xt 512mb will be priced around 480 and x1800xl will be priced around 380.

sapphire and powercolor are gonna do that; msrp is just ridiculous.

 

[johnnqq]

i'm an ati fan...but go with the 7800gtx unless you can wait 2-3 months for prices to be normal and drivers to come out.

 

[sxr7171]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: SuperU21
If I find a 7800GTX for 400 flat ... I'm pulling the trigger ^_^

You can do about $430 flat right now. I'd find the other $30 and get with the program

$410 according to a couple of posts.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: SuperU21
If I find a 7800GTX for 400 flat ... I'm pulling the trigger ^_^

You can do about $430 flat right now. I'd find the other $30 and get with the program

Exactly, $30 is nothing to nitpick about in a $400 purchase, just pull the damn trigger already instead of waiting for a miracle .

Originally posted by: vikingblade
all valid points. however, im suprised no one is mentioning the obvious Image quality problems many of the 7800's are plagued with as a big factor in a decision between the two. im in a similar situation...upgrade now and just accept the IQ issue or wait n see if the radeons can offer comparable performance with superior IQ w/AA and HDR. i could be wrong, but shouldnt/arnt the 1800's a more modern, future proof card??

if the 7800 didnt have the IQ problem, i would go that way immediately. as it is, dunno if i can bring myself to spend 400 bucks on a product with a problem.

I would agree, but the X1800XT isn't a card that you can buy yet, so for the time being, all of that is moot. We all shudder at the low quantities of the X800XT and 6800 Ultra (top cards) from last generation. It looks like ATI is doing this delay to get with the program and actually have cards available in November, but until proven otherwise I'd be cautious in putting my hope in the X1800XT.

Once November comes around though, the X1800XT is the bestest thing money can buy . Unfortunately, it will take about $550 of that money to buy the card, with does not make it a good value at all...

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: SuperU21
If I find a 7800GTX for 400 flat ... I'm pulling the trigger ^_^

You can do about $430 flat right now. I'd find the other $30 and get with the program

Exactly, $30 is nothing to nitpick about in a $400 purchase, just pull the damn trigger already instead of waiting for a miracle .

Originally posted by: vikingblade
all valid points. however, im suprised no one is mentioning the obvious Image quality problems many of the 7800's are plagued with as a big factor in a decision between the two. im in a similar situation...upgrade now and just accept the IQ issue or wait n see if the radeons can offer comparable performance with superior IQ w/AA and HDR. i could be wrong, but shouldnt/arnt the 1800's a more modern, future proof card??

if the 7800 didnt have the IQ problem, i would go that way immediately. as it is, dunno if i can bring myself to spend 400 bucks on a product with a problem.

I would agree, but the X1800XT isn't a card that you can buy yet, so for the time being, all of that is moot. We all shudder at the low quantities of the X800XT and 6800 Ultra (top cards) from last generation. It looks like ATI is doing this delay to get with the program and actually have cards available in November, but until proven otherwise I'd be cautious in putting my hope in the X1800XT.

Once November comes around though, the X1800XT is the bestest thing money can buy . Unfortunately, it will take about $550 of that money to buy the card, with does not make it a good value at all...

We'll have to see how much a 512mb GTX will sell for before determining which is a better value. The 256mn GTX is cheaper, but you get what you pay for, and we're starting to see games that will use more that 256mb vram.

 

[Waylay00]

7800GTX. I love ATI, but until they can pull that price down, I have to go with Nvidia.

Actually, I would wait a little longer and let things fold out.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: munky

We all have our opinions. I still think the x1800xt is better.

well, i could say the <insert any card here> is better, and while i had a right to say my opinion, it doesn't mean it's logical or makes sense. guess it all depends on what your definition of "better" is.

regardless, price and availability prevents it from being the best choice at this point (and i always consider bang for the buck, or what you get for the $ you spend). in a month, who knows?

The thing that bugs me is the fact that 1 year from now, with the introduction of Vista/DX10, we'll have the r600 and whatever Nv has then. On the one hand it's tempting to wait for the r580, since it seems just around the corner, and should offer 3x the shader power of the r520. But given that the g70, r520 and r580 will likely be outdated tech in about 1 year, I see no reason to put off upgrading much longer. Hence, although the r580 seems like it'll dwarf any previous card in performance, it's life-time seems to be cut short by DX10 and the r600.

i really don't see it as a huge impact, at least immediately. it's not like as soon as "vista" ships, all previous generation cards stop working... as with anything else in computing, everything works around to obsolescence in time..