7800GTX 512MB Coming out!!!!

[BFG10K]

If their really smart they will switch to dual slot cooling

No, if they're really smart they'll stay with single slot. This would provide a tantalizing advantage over the X1800XT.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

If their really smart they will switch to dual slot cooling

No, if they're really smart they'll stay with single slot. This would provide a tantalizing advantage over the X1800XT.

eVGA just released a version of the 7800GT called 7800GT CO. It has a much improved single slot cooler over the reference GT cooler. All copper, larger fan, same basic design as a 7800GTX hsf. Card ran considerably cooler even when overclocked than an aluminum stock cooler, which was in itself, pretty efficient.

I think if OEM's incorporate this idea, going all copper and larger fan, they can easily keep the one slot design at 490/1500, if in fact those are the specs.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
I am part of this conversation am I not? It's not like I go looking for your comments. They are plentiful everywhere we go in video. Your "lame-man" comment did not go unheard. If you behaved yourself in the first place, there would be no quotes going to the mods and hence you won't feel threatened. See a pattern?

Jesus. Dont you understand "lame-man's terms" is phrase and not an insult? Like always making a mountain out of a mole-hill.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Ackmed:
It's hard to discuss the X1800XT stuff as it doesn't really exist yet, but here's why I stated nV's multi GPU seems better, based on what I've read:

1. ATI still using bolt on compositing chip because the GPU is not designed for multi GPU capability

2. Awkward dongle cable in back

3. nVidia has a year head start of retail units in place. Logically, they will have fewer driver issues, more tested profiles, etc..

4. Even if they review well, ATI/ULI (ALI) is not the industry standard multi gpu motherboards and still have to prove themselves in the field

5. Preliminary prerelease data on the X1800XT showed it to be hotter, not a good thing when doing multi gpu. It's also louder, which is a big deal to some.

6. Not to mention pricing issues. Unless you think that ATI is going to have a huge supply of these 25% higher clocked cores than the XLs they're barely getting to market?

7. Availability- it says in Anands article the XTs are supposed to be here the 5th- but now we're hearing more like the 20th? So can't they buy RAM or get yield on chips? Strange how it's now a month and a half after the "launch"?

Etc.

Anyway, as has been noted, this thread is about the 512MB GTX, which I think you'll be seeing at lots of retailers, in many brands, very soon. I'm very interested to see the clock on these beasts and how they compare with the MIA XT.

Sorry, didnt see your reply.

1. Sure its not the best, but with the X1K, it shouldnt matter to the consumer. It shouldnt hinder performance, nor have the same limiting factors that the X800 Crossfire solution has.

2. I dont know why this is such a huge issue to some people. Its behind the PC, and wont make a difference to me. Would I rather not have it? Sure. But it sure wont bother me.

3. I agree 100% with this point. NV's SLI is MUCH MUCH better (even though I never owned it) than when it launched. So many issues are now fixed, or at least better than they were. ATi is likely to go thru the same growing pains.

4. True its not as trusted as the nForce boards. But then the nForce boards were not the standard once upon a time either. Retail reviews have been very positive, even better than the NF4 from what I have read.

5. Yes it shows it to be hotter. But as I alluded to, this could be to drivers reporting higher than real temps. I expect the XT's to overall be warmer than GTX's, but not by the large difference we see now. Also, the XT puts the hot air out of the case, lowering overall system temp. Something the GTX doesnt do.

6. I dont know what the 512mb 7800GTX price will be. I doubt it will be lower than the MSRP of the X1800XT though. Perhaps the 512mb GTX will be out in force early next month, and the XT wont, and the GTX is cheaper. Or perhaps it will be the other way around. Nobody here knows right now. I dont agree that the XL's are "barely getting to the market". You can find them in a lot of places. B&M or online, even as far as $70 under MSRP. If you want a XL, you can have it within a few days. Simple as that.

7. I dont know if they will be pushed back. I hope not, but who knows. They came out and told us that the XT's wouldnt be avail till Nov, so I dont consider it a problem. They said Nov, thats the launch to me.

You bring up several good points, we just have a different view on them. I wouldnt even have posted if you hadnt of mentioned 24pipes vs. 16pipes being an advantage. Clearly the numbers show that doesnt alone make a difference. As the XT wins most of the benches, especially in high res with AA/AF. Sorry if I came off offensive earlier... blame it on me not getting CoD2 today.

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

So because I dont agree, Im an idiot?

I never said you were an idiot in any way. You can't honestly expect anyone to believe you do not recognize the clear superiority of nV's multi GPU solution as of right now.

So how can it be superior? Answer: We dont know yet. The price alone could make it a poor option.

It is proven to work at acceptable resolutions and refresh rates. We know in theory that the ATi parts should be capable of this, but we have yet to be able to confirm this. In reality Crossfire is inferior to a single ATi board in most respects in terms of the currently available solutions(ad by that I mean that a Crossfire 850xt setup is inferior so a singe 850xt).

We'll have to wait for real drivers to confirm, or deny this. What I was pointing out, that the alleged 90c temps might not be so true after all.

Readings using a thermal probe have nothing to do with the drivers, and they are quite a bit higher then the GTX. I really don't care, I have my XIII case to deal with heat, but a 90nm part clocked that high is going to be throwing quite a bit of heat.

Rollo said he would get the GTX over the XT, then citing a few reasons why. I simply questioned them, and offered a different view.

Where did he say he was comparing the GTX to the XT exactly?

Even if they are the same speed, presumably the vendors already factory OCing (XFX, Leadtek, Asus, EVGA, BFG) will continue to do so.

I think a 490/1300 512MB GTX would be the card to get for Christmas, in light of the better multi gpu, cooler, smaller, 24 vs 16 pipes, etc..

Have to say I'm impressed, nV just keeps taking it to ATI- the resulting competition can only benefit all in the long run.

This thread is about the GTX, were you thread crapping or trolling?

Sure you did. I dont agree with you, and you said; "I can only assume that it would take an idiot to come to any other conclusion."

As of now, its obviously is. However, its not about now, its about "Christmas time", as he said.

So you say. The drivers show the temp, obviously the drivers do something.

When he said, "would be the card to get for Christmas". Obviously the only other card to compare it to, is an ATi card. So that brings the XT into the conversation. Its neither trolling or thread crapping. Just because you keep repeating it, doesnt mean its true. Being hypocritical doesnt help your case either.

 

[interwebgeek]

all of this makes perfect sense.
i buy a 7800GTX and two weeks later a newer model with 2x the memory is released.

 

[Duvie]

Obviously this NOv 7th date is meant to rain on ATi's parade....Difference is that Nvidia will launch this with little fanfare and likely have ample volume. NO launch reviews now and try to deliver 2 months later.

I have to say if this card is more readily available before the XT it will be quite shameful...

 

[interwebgeek]

Originally posted by: Duvie
Obviously this NOv 7th date is meant to rain on ATi's parade....Difference is that Nvidia will launch this with little fanfare and likely have ample volume. NO launch reviews now and try to deliver 2 months later.

I have to say if this card is more readily available before the XT it will be quite shameful...

From what I have read about the new ATI's. Especially the performance (or lack of it) and high cooling fan noise at 3d gaming. NVidia doesn't have to do much more to make ATI look rather silly.

 

[DidlySquat]

pwned

 

[Paintballfreak66]

Originally posted by: CP5670
Is there supposed to be an Ultra card that's different from this or are they the same thing?

When reading about the 7800 series before it came out there was talk about the 512mb version that would be called the "ultra" upon release. They named the GTX the in order to leave a space for the Ultra, whereas in the 6800 series they have the 6800ultra 256 and the 6800ultra 512. Same name :/. If they haven't changed their plans since then, the new 512 will most likely be the 7800Ultra.

Exciting!

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: interwebgeek

Originally posted by: Duvie
Obviously this NOv 7th date is meant to rain on ATi's parade....Difference is that Nvidia will launch this with little fanfare and likely have ample volume. NO launch reviews now and try to deliver 2 months later.

I have to say if this card is more readily available before the XT it will be quite shameful...

From what I have read about the new ATI's. Especially the performance (or lack of it) and high cooling fan noise at 3d gaming. NVidia doesn't have to do much more to make ATI look rather silly.

I think the performance is quite good however....Price per performance is where I see right now the ATi is not doing well.....Nvidia needed to answer with a 512mb card to compete in the high rez ultra settings....

If they can someone up the memory frequency as well and keep the price at or below the XT when it arrives it will be very powerful....

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Ok, in lame-man's terms just because some people dont get it:

1. Zobar says XTs dont oc.
2. I say they do.
3. Rollo says they dont and wants a 490/1500 GTX
4. Zobar says XTs dont oc and its "wishful thinking".
5. I reply saying that its the same as wishing for 490/1500 ..

Do you get it now?

And you still dont accept your mistakes.

Yes, I get it now as I got it then. I still contend that a 490/1500 NV card is NOT wishful thinking for the following reasons:

1) There are already NV cards shipping with a 490 core (I own two of them)
2) if ATI can use RAM that hits 1500, why not NV?

...so, now we've come completely full circle...

There isn't any mistake on my part, I just think that a G70 based card that operates at 490/1500 (or higher), regardless of what it's called, is no so out of the realm of possibility that any talk of it could be construed as wishful thinking. Will NV make such a card...? Maybe, maybe not. They might just come out with a new core (or a tweaked G70) instead.

Edit:

Your summary is also flawed... Neither Rollo nor ZobarStyl say that the XT won't overclock, just that it is bit too early to tell how well the actual consumer versions will OC at this point. Your summary gives an interesting insight into the way your mind works. Your point of view appears to be "Dingo vs. World", this is a forum... People will disagree with you from time to time, that doesn't mean that they were attacking you en masse.

Edit 2:

It's "layman's terms" not "lame-man's terms"... But, hey you know more about being a lame man than me, and I guess you gotta go with what you know.

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: Duvie
I think the performance is quite good however....Price per performance is where I see right now the ATi is not doing well.....Nvidia needed to answer with a 512mb card to compete in the high rez ultra settings....

If they can someone up the memory frequency as well and keep the price at or below the XT when it arrives it will be very powerful....

NVidia leads with price/performance along with availability. Then again, they have been out for more than 3 months. In 3 months, ATI should improve on both.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999

Originally posted by: Duvie
I think the performance is quite good however....Price per performance is where I see right now the ATi is not doing well.....Nvidia needed to answer with a 512mb card to compete in the high rez ultra settings....

If they can someone up the memory frequency as well and keep the price at or below the XT when it arrives it will be very powerful....

NVidia leads with price/performance along with availability. Then again, they have been out for more than 3 months. In 3 months, ATI should improve on both.

I agree they can improve cause the price should only go down, though Nvidia's offerings will also...

Availability will also, but a lot can be said about having the stuff ready when you announce it....

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Yes, I get it now as I got it then. I still contend that a 490/1500 NV card is NOT wishful thinking for the following reasons:

1) There are already NV cards shipping with a 490 core (I own two of them)
2) if ATI can use RAM that hits 1500, why not NV?

...so, now we've come completely full circle...

There isn't any mistake on my part, I just think that a G70 based card that operates at 490/1500 (or higher), regardless of what it's called, is no so out of the realm of possibility that any talk of it could be construed as wishful thinking. Will NV make such a card...? Maybe, maybe not. They might just come out with a new core (or a tweaked G70) instead.

1. I said that a 490/1500 GTX (as wanted by Rollo) was wishful thinking.
2. I never said Nvidia cant use 1.26ns memory.

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Edit:

Your summary is also flawed... Neither Rollo nor ZobarStyl say that the XT won't overclock, just that it is bit too early to tell how well the actual consumer versions will OC at this point. Your summary gives an interesting insight into the way your mind works. Your point of view appears to be "Dingo vs. World", this is a forum... People will disagree with you from time to time, that doesn't mean that they were attacking you en masse. .

You may not have noticed but "speed binning", "cherry picking" ..

Originally posted by: nitromullet
Edit 2:

It's "layman's terms" not "lame-man's terms"... But, hey you know more about being a lame man than me, and I guess you gotta go with what you know.

Going straight to the mods. I thought this was a forum (like you said) and I didnt know I was writing an English test when posting here. :roll:

 

[nitromullet]

1. I said that a 490/1500 GTX (as wanted by Rollo) was wishful thinking.
2. I never said Nvidia cant use 1.26ns memory.

Earlier, you stated that you weren't responding to Rollo's post... Now you say you were... Which was it?

You may not have noticed but "speed binning", "cherry picking" ..

I did... and I agree with them on this. The speed binning and cherry picking is exactly why there isn't enough evidence either for (or against for that matter) the overclockability of the X1800XT.

 

[route66]

God, they have this thing called "Private Messages".

It's grand.

PS - Get over it.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

1. I said that a 490/1500 GTX (as wanted by Rollo) was wishful thinking.
2. I never said Nvidia cant use 1.26ns memory.

Earlier, you stated that you weren't responding to Rollo's post... Now you say you were... Which was it?.

geee ... I was discussing with Zobar, I made that comment with reference to Rollo.

Originally posted by: nitromullet

You may not have noticed but "speed binning", "cherry picking" ..

I did... and I agree with them on this. The speed binning and cherry picking is exactly why there isn't enough evidence either for (or against for that matter) the overclockability of the X1800XT.

To which I responded clearly and they dropped that point completely there after. When was the last time we heard conflicting oc results from reviewers and retail cards?

 

[gtx4u]

Originally posted by: Amuro

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
It will be clocked the same, I'll bet on it...esp since a single slot cooling solution is what everyone has wanted to see from nvidia as of late. If you want higher clock speeds, and the heatsink will do it for ya, go buy a VF700.

I got my GT up to 460MHz core, and negligible heat increases, with stock cooling.

Not that 512mb has any advntage right now....the previous 512 cards showed that...not even Far Cry used it...

Well, if you want to play Quake 4 @ ultra quality you need 512MB.

No you don't, I have 2x 6800 gt SLI @ 410/1100 and I was able to beat QUAKE 4 at 1600x1200 on 4x AA and 16x AF on Ultra quality

 

[Marsumane]

Concerning this card, I would be most interested in price. If it takes the place of the current 7800gtx's price, then my head might turn this way. On the other hand if it goes up to the x1800xt's price, my head may be more abpt to turn towards ati's offer due to their most recent driver enhancements. But who am i kidding, theyre both are too costly for myself.

 

[mOeeOm]

Originally posted by: gtx4u

Originally posted by: Amuro

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
It will be clocked the same, I'll bet on it...esp since a single slot cooling solution is what everyone has wanted to see from nvidia as of late. If you want higher clock speeds, and the heatsink will do it for ya, go buy a VF700.

I got my GT up to 460MHz core, and negligible heat increases, with stock cooling.

Not that 512mb has any advntage right now....the previous 512 cards showed that...not even Far Cry used it...

Well, if you want to play Quake 4 @ ultra quality you need 512MB.

No you don't, I have 2x 6800 gt SLI @ 410/1100 and I was able to beat QUAKE 4 at 1600x1200 on 4x AA and 16x AF on Ultra quality

What kinda fps did you get?

 

[deadseasquirrel]

Originally posted by: mOeeOm

Originally posted by: gtx4u

Originally posted by: Amuro
Well, if you want to play Quake 4 @ ultra quality you need 512MB.

No you don't, I have 2x 6800 gt SLI @ 410/1100 and I was able to beat QUAKE 4 at 1600x1200 on 4x AA and 16x AF on Ultra quality

What kinda fps did you get?

If overclocked to 6800 Ultra speeds, the SLI 6800GTs looks to pull anywhere from 39 to 45 fps. link

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: interwebgeek

Originally posted by: Duvie
Obviously this NOv 7th date is meant to rain on ATi's parade....Difference is that Nvidia will launch this with little fanfare and likely have ample volume. NO launch reviews now and try to deliver 2 months later.

I have to say if this card is more readily available before the XT it will be quite shameful...

From what I have read about the new ATI's. Especially the performance (or lack of it) and high cooling fan noise at 3d gaming. NVidia doesn't have to do much more to make ATI look rather silly.

I agree.

I'm interested in if the 512MB GTX will put it above the XT in performance. The XT itself was impressive to me, I did not expect ATI to do as well with the card as they did, of course they have to get it out the door.

I've lost most interest in this generation of cards.. for me the killer cards were the Geforce6 with SLI/SM3.
They were downplayed more than they deserved, but the GF6 blew my socks off.

My next card is going to be unified, whoever can make a better unified card. I'd buy GF6/7 (prob pick between a 6600GT or 7800GT if it were me) if I were buying again today, but ATI has a chance to win my money again in the unified battle. Until then, its looking more and more like an Nvidia landscape ever since the GF6 launch to today.

 

[Cookie Monster]

IF the card is released as a ULTRA:
The clocks could be 550/1400~1500. The quadro 4500 is clocked at 550mhz so i dont see this being the ultra's clocks. The new PCB design for the 1.26ns ram will defitinetly create 1500mhz memory clock. Dual slot as well <--- the quadro cooler. (Wonder if it was ALL copper )

IF the card is release as a GTX:
The clocks could be 490ish/1400ish. Single slot hence the card being a GTX, 512mb using 1.26ns samsung memory.

So many possiblities.. but i like my first prediction. It would be a beast of a card. Sli those beasts, and you have a rig that can ultilize Sli 16xAA!!! at playable framerates!!

Wishful thinking is good :beer:

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
IF the card is released as a ULTRA:
The clocks could be 550/1400~1500. The quadro 4500 is clocked at 550mhz so i dont see this being the ultra's clocks. The new PCB design for the 1.26ns ram will defitinetly create 1500mhz memory clock. Dual slot as well <--- the quadro cooler. (Wonder if it was ALL copper )

IF the card is release as a GTX:
The clocks could be 490ish/1400ish. Single slot hence the card being a GTX, 512mb using 1.26ns samsung memory.

So many possiblities.. but i like my first prediction. It would be a beast of a card. Sli those beasts, and you have a rig that can ultilize Sli 16xAA!!! at playable framerates!!

Wishful thinking is good :beer:

I thought that you had to be wrong. The 4500 could not be running at 550MHz. After a bit of searching to prove you wrong, I found out you were right. Humble pie anyone?

"The main part of the Quadro FX 4500 core works at 550MHz, which the GeForce 7800 GTX chip works at 430MHz."

 

[flynnsk]

Wow I guess I stepped into the wrong wardware site for a largely unbiased forum contingent ..

Well I for one am not going to read 5 pages of he/she/L'Inq said for half truths and out right lies however a few things to note that a lot of nV users seem to forget.


1: The 256MB of added GDDR is going to cost a premium. NV have typically added approx $200 USD to (status quo .. atm being 256MB) over their precedessor. ATI vs NV aside.. for just pure VRAM amounts I dont see nV dropping their 7800 GTX 256MB cards down to $350 USD .. this would KILL their low end as they would then be competing not with the 7800GT but their entire 6800 series and yet to be launched midrange products.

2: Voltage cost,.. the added 256MB of GDDR is going to come at a cost of increased voltage needs and as such most likely increase heat (V=h). On the .11nm process this will most likely add a dual slot cooler (thus eliminating any such "advantage" the single slot GTX has over the Dual slot ATI). I doubt that nV will increase power supply requirements however SLI systems with less than 500W PSUs are most likely going to suffer.

3: Availability vs Marketing. Yes when the 7800 GTX was launched, something that hasnt happened in AGES occured, for the 1st time in recent history products had "LIMITED" availability from the get go. (Limited to Online E-tailers, it took upwards of 2 months before 7800 GTXs were available in B&Ms.. were the majority of computer components are STILL sold). ie Best Buy , CompUSA, Frys. etc..
However one particular product (PR move.. ) that everyone seems to handily forget is the nV 6800 Ultra EE (Extreme Edition-450core) that nV launched, ie demo'd to certian afiliates that showed it ahead of the competition.. Indeed such a card did put up numbers that toppled then forerunner ATI,.. one problem.. it was NEVER available in retail.. EVER ..
Sure blast ATI for its late arrival to the game, however it made a splash as opposed to the belly flop some propose and pushed the envelope further. Thus forcing nV to react (and in doing so hopefully force lower prices).

4: .90nm Process. Some here has insinuated that ATIs 520 (x1800XT) is nearly topping out on Mhz to reach the numbers it does, using the reduced process, sadly they are quite mistaken. So called "Crippled XTs" a la 1800XLs reach near XT rates using default cooling (single slot) and default gpu voltage (1.200V). The simple bump to GPU voltage (in software, ie NO soldering, no Voided warranties) pushes the XLs to XT rates however the single slot cooler is not adept as dissipating the added heat so after market coolers are usually used. ATI/nV aftermareket Coolers adrees not only the added heat from increased voltage but also lower noise levels over standars single slot coolers.
*Yeah yeah wheres the links blah blah..

on x1800XL (RETAIL- ie available) OCing,.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/sho...036924f0758835153&t=76485&page=4&pp=25

my XL will do 628 core at 1.225v and 1550 mem at stock.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=78054

Here are the final overclocks with stock cooler. Core needed 1.225v to reach 628.... 700 core gave immediate lock/black screen at voltage up to 1.3v, just too much heat for the little stock cooler So, unless I get better cooling 1550 is max mem will do. On the core however, I could prolly get higher, but it already reaches 72'C.

1800XT

http://discuss.futuremark.com/forum/sho...ard=techdisplayadapters&Number=5599232

X1800XT OC with stock cooler: 625/1500 @ 685/1790

(note default voltage as well)

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2005/10/26/ati_breaks_1ghz_gpu_speed_barrier/
x1800XT @ 1ghz

http://xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=77157

Ah heck why should I be doing all the work..

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&...ra&rls=en&q=ati+x1800XL+OC&btnG=Search

go see for yourself
and again x1800XT @ 1Ghz


6800 Ultra EE (mythical)
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24949&page=2

http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=568
review ....
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2113
again..

but where to buy ...
http://www.dealtime.com/xFS?KW=6800+Ult...reme+Edition&FN=Graphics+Cards&FD=1722
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi...ry=0&minPrice=&maxPrice=&Go.x=0&Go.y=0
http://www.pricewatch.com/

??


512MB nV cards:
BFG 512MB 6800 Ultra OC - $999.99 !!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp...ctCategoryId=cat01151&id=1113953684817

BFG 6800 GT Ultra 512MB - $699.99 - $750.00 PER ONE
http://www.pricewatch.com/BuyNow.aspx?f...=1&frmProductID=6120491&frmReadClick=1

EVGA GEFORCE 6800GT 512MB PCIE GDDR3 TV & DUAL DVI PCI EXPRESS VIDEO CARD 395.00 (orig 499.99)
http://www.edazz.com/sonspres24us.html