7800GTX 512MB Coming out!!!!

[BenSkywalker]

Sure you did. I dont agree with you, and you said; "I can only assume that it would take an idiot to come to any other conclusion."

As of now, its obviously is. However, its not about now, its about "Christmas time", as he said.

Try reading what I said, from my post which has not been edited-

Wouldn't the fact that there is no X1K Crossfire previews available yet, by default, indicate that the widely available for a long time nV multi GPU route is proven to be superior as of right now? I can only assume that it would take an idiot to come to any other conclusion.

You yourself in your post agree with what I stated and can somehow twist that around to say I'm calling you an idiot? I'll explain something to you- if person A says something, and then person B says something else- you can not say well if I take this part of what person A said and this part of what person B said then person B is insulting me- language doesn't work that way.

So you say. The drivers show the temp, obviously the drivers do something.

MSI used the internal diode to report temps on AXP CPUs for some time. They reported them accurately, but everyone thought there was some major issue with their parts as they were reporting temperatures significantly higher then all the other mobos which used the under socket thermal probes. MSI "fixed" this by reporting temps ~20 degrees cooler then what they were actually reading to bring them in line. Did that change the CPU temp in the slightest bit? Nope. It just made a lot of people think it was running cooler.

When he said, "would be the card to get for Christmas". Obviously the only other card to compare it to, is an ATi card.

First off, he said "I think" to preface that statement- you should try and not take things out of context. Next, seems to me he could have been talking about the 7800GT based on the comments he made. Now in subsequent posts he has since made his point clearer, but one shouldn't jump to conclusions based on assumptions. Also- are you stating for fact that we will even see x1k Crossfire available at retail prior to Christmas?

Its neither trolling or thread crapping.

Thread title still lacks anything about ATi parts, I just checked. If you don't want to discuss the 512MB GTX then why bother posting? If you want to start a thread touting the virtues of the glory of ATi and all that is encompasses start another thread.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Link @ theInq

Funny part about this it will probably be out before the X1800XT lmao

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: lifeguard1999
Link @ theInq

Funny part about this it will probably be out before the X1800XT lmao

That is the whole point. NVidia knows ATI's schedule and beat them to the punch. That places NVidia in the drivers seat. ATI has shown that they can produce a superior product (9700, 9800, x1800XT), now they just need to deliver, and deliver at a good price point relative to their performance.

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: flynnsk
Wow I guess I stepped into the wrong wardware site for a largely unbiased forum contingent ..

Well I for one am not going to read 5 pages of he/she/L'Inq said for half truths and out right lies however a few things to note that a lot of nV users seem to forget.

1: The 256MB of added GDDR is going to cost a premium.

2: Voltage cost,.. the added 256MB of GDDR is going to come at a cost of increased voltage needs and as such most likely increase heat

3: Availability vs Marketing. Yes when the 7800 GTX was launched, something that hasnt happened in AGES occured, for the 1st time in recent history products had "LIMITED" availability from the get go. (Limited to Online E-tailers, it took upwards of 2 months before 7800 GTXs were available in B&Ms.. were the majority of computer components are STILL sold). ie Best Buy , CompUSA, Frys. etc..

4: .90nm Process.

You raise some really good points. Rather than quote your entire post, I edited it down to the salient issues -- I am not trying to misrepresent you; only make it easier to read.

1) Yes, we all agree that the additional 256MB is going to add to the costs. I for one think that the 6800 512MB is overpriced at $1K. ATI releasing a 512MB brings competition to the market which I am hoping will drive down prices. If NV release another 512MB card at $1K, and ATI releases theirs at $600K, ATI wins.

2) More memory equals more voltage equals more heat. Agreed. That can be seen on the NVidia Quadro 4500 with its additional two-slot cooling.

3) ATI released it Phantom Edition; NVidia released its Dustbuster. Both companies are guilty of releasing items for marketing purposes only. With recent events, lets hope that is behind us. (I doubt it, but I can hope can't I?)

4) ATI currently has the advantage with its 90nm process, though that also cost them in time-to-market. NV will be releasing their 90nm parts in the spring. ATI, with its 90nm process, high-end parts that beat NV, etc. has a chance to get into the drivers seat again like they did with the 9700/9800 series. Right now, NV is ahead. Competition, gotta love it.

 

[blckgrffn]

I still think that a 512 meg 7800GT priced below the GTX's would be very attractive

Nat

 

[Dainas]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
I still think that a 512 meg 7800GT priced below the GTX's would be very attractive

Nat

They better not a second before they release a 512mb 24 pipe part. It drives me insane when people halfbake insanity, like the Gigabyte 7800GT duo crappa, why in gods name didnt they use 7800GT"X!" cores? If your gonna be silly you might as well be hilarious.

 

[DidlySquat]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

You yourself in your post agree with what I stated and can somehow twist that around to say I'm calling you an idiot? I'll explain something to you- if person A says something, and then person B says something else- you can not say well if I take this part of what person A said and this part of what person B said then person B is insulting me- language doesn't work that way.

what if Person A and person B are banned so that Persons C-Z (including F-K) don't have to listen to their silly bickering ?

 

[stnicralisk]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

As far as we know this card won't have different clock speeds from its 256MB brother but this could easily change.

And I was attacked & flamed for suggesting the same. Rollo, keysplayer2003 & others. :roll:

im not sure what you expected..

 

[KeepItRed]

All I've heard is that the 7800 512MB version will be the "7800ULTRA 512MB" Most likely that would happen.

 

[blckgrffn]

Originally posted by: Dainas

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
I still think that a 512 meg 7800GT priced below the GTX's would be very attractive

Nat

They better not a second before they release a 512mb 24 pipe part. It drives me insane when people halfbake insanity, like the Gigabyte 7800GT duo crappa, why in gods name didnt they use 7800GT"X!" cores? If your gonna be silly you might as well be hilarious.

Now, now, that's enough

I am just saying that a 512 meg 7800GT makes a lot of sense, as 256 megs is really going to be hamstringing it newer games like COD2 where it has the fill rate and shader power for high resolutions but not the vram for high detail textures. That is going to drive me nuts!

Just seems like if you pay $300+ for a video card you should be able to have the highest detail settings enabled, that's all. And 256 meg 7800GT SLI will be just ridiculous because quite possibly a single 512 GTX will be faster in some situations and cost less, etc. I was considering GT SLI there for a while

 

[Dainas]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn

Originally posted by: Dainas

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
I still think that a 512 meg 7800GT priced below the GTX's would be very attractive

Nat

They better not a second before they release a 512mb 24 pipe part. It drives me insane when people halfbake insanity, like the Gigabyte 7800GT duo crappa, why in gods name didnt they use 7800GT"X!" cores? If your gonna be silly you might as well be hilarious.

Now, now, that's enough

I am just saying that a 512 meg 7800GT makes a lot of sense, as 256 megs is really going to be hamstringing it newer games like COD2 where it has the fill rate and shader power for high resolutions but not the vram for high detail textures. That is going to drive me nuts!

Just seems like if you pay $300+ for a video card you should be able to have the highest detail settings enabled, that's all. And 256 meg 7800GT SLI will be just ridiculous because quite possibly a single 512 GTX will be faster in some situations and cost less, etc. I was considering GT SLI there for a while

a 512mb 7800GT is a good thing in my view too, its just video card lineups are weirding me out lately. Doesnt matter for me, If I want an upgrade I'm stuck buying another 7800GTX nomatter what =P

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
I am just saying that a 512 meg 7800GT makes a lot of sense, as 256 megs is really going to be hamstringing it newer games like COD2 where it has the fill rate and shader power for high resolutions but not the vram for high detail textures.

The difference between high-detail and ultra-high detail is that one uses minimally compressed textures, the other does not. I doubt you can see a difference.

Would you buy a 512MB 7800 GT that costs more than a 256MB 7800 GTX?

 

[blckgrffn]

Maybe... but likely they would be about equaly priced. Then look at the COD2 numbers... 512 makes a bigger difference than 4 shader units for sure.

Nat

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: DidlySquat

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

You yourself in your post agree with what I stated and can somehow twist that around to say I'm calling you an idiot? I'll explain something to you- if person A says something, and then person B says something else- you can not say well if I take this part of what person A said and this part of what person B said then person B is insulting me- language doesn't work that way.

what if Person A and person B are banned so that Persons C-Z (including F-K) don't have to listen to their silly bickering ?

Good luck with that one DidlySquat. Last I checked, they don't ban Elite members like Ben because they contribute a lot to the board, other than opinions of other users. (like some seem to think we need)

I've learned a lot from Ben, you could too.

 

[lifeguard1999]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Good luck with that one DidlySquat. Last I checked, they don't ban Elite members like Ben because they contribute a lot to the board, other than opinions of other users. (like some seem to think we need)

I've learned a lot from Ben, you could too.

Agreed!

 

[ZobarStyl]

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
Maybe... but likely they would be about equaly priced. Then look at the COD2 numbers... 512 makes a bigger difference than 4 shader units for sure.

I wouldn't put so much faith in demo numbers...FEAR illustrated quite clearly how little beta numbers have in common with the final product's performance. More pipes (on same architecture) is definitely better than extra VRAM according to pretty much every scenario in gaming today.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: biostud
personally I would wait for next generation before shelling out for 512Mb memory.

Agreed

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: DidlySquat

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

You yourself in your post agree with what I stated and can somehow twist that around to say I'm calling you an idiot? I'll explain something to you- if person A says something, and then person B says something else- you can not say well if I take this part of what person A said and this part of what person B said then person B is insulting me- language doesn't work that way.

what if Person A and person B are banned so that Persons C-Z (including F-K) don't have to listen to their silly bickering ?

Good luck with that one DidlySquat. Last I checked, they don't ban Elite members like Ben because they contribute a lot to the board, other than opinions of other users. (like some seem to think we need)

I've learned a lot from Ben, you could too.

Its too bad rules dont apply evenly to everyone. Calling someone an idiot, should not be tolerated. Oh well, reflects poorly on him to me. His posts carry less weight now. I didnt read his reply, because hes not worth it.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Its too bad rules dont apply evenly to everyone. Calling someone an idiot, should not be tolerated. Oh well, reflects poorly on him to me. His posts carry less weight now. I didnt read his reply, because hes not worth it.

Ben's contributions to the 3d gaming forums over the years are pretty much legendary.

Maybe not worth it to you, but I don't know as much as he does, so I'll read what he writes irregardless of his stance toward someone trolling.

 

[blckgrffn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Its too bad rules dont apply evenly to everyone. Calling someone an idiot, should not be tolerated. Oh well, reflects poorly on him to me. His posts carry less weight now. I didnt read his reply, because hes not worth it.

Ben's contributions to the 3d gaming forums over the years are pretty much legendary.

Maybe not worth it to you, but I don't know as much as he does, so I'll read what he writes irregardless of his stance toward someone trolling.

lol, didn't even recognize you with your new avatar, rollo!

 

[lifeguard1999]

AT is now reporting a 7800 GS and a 7800 GTX 512MB version is coming soon.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: DidlySquat

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

You yourself in your post agree with what I stated and can somehow twist that around to say I'm calling you an idiot? I'll explain something to you- if person A says something, and then person B says something else- you can not say well if I take this part of what person A said and this part of what person B said then person B is insulting me- language doesn't work that way.

what if Person A and person B are banned so that Persons C-Z (including F-K) don't have to listen to their silly bickering ?

Good luck with that one DidlySquat. Last I checked, they don't ban Elite members like Ben because they contribute a lot to the board, other than opinions of other users. (like some seem to think we need)

I've learned a lot from Ben, you could too.

Its too bad rules dont apply evenly to everyone. Calling someone an idiot, should not be tolerated. Oh well, reflects poorly on him to me. His posts carry less weight now. I didnt read his reply, because hes not worth it.

You twisted Ben's words as anyone can plainly see. Ben is alright Ackmed, and you can learn a lot from him as most of us can. He never called you an idiot but you try to make it seem so.

Your comments about how he reflects to you now would be meaningful only in the case that Ben actually needed your approval. Which he clearly does not.

Why am I defending him, you ask? Because he deserves defending. I rarely ever see anyone standing up for you in here. If they do, it's usually just the known ATI'ers with blinders.

So you insult Ben by saying "He's not worth it". We all know he's quite valuable in these forums. Like I said, we need not your approval.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: Amuro
Gibbo @ Overclockers UK posted the following in their forum (the thread was already deleted however):

The fact is that this time round NVIDIA have completely destroyed ATI as SLi is so much better established and you don't need a master card for it to work. Plus the 7800 series is the far better buy and was available on June 22nd, ATI are still struggling and were now approaching November. On November 7th OcUK will be launch partner with NVIDIA on the new faster clocked 512MB 7800 GTX which will furth establish NVIDIA as performance leader and OcUK will have priority allocation on 512MB cards which could also mean we have exclusivity and unlike ATI NVIDIA will be shipping plenty of stock throughout November. So basically what is the point of ATI's X1800 XT, NVIDIA will have a better product with availability sooner and no doubt for less money too.

gibbo cannot be trusted. he's just a salesman and seems to do more flipflops than a used car salesman.

just a week ago he made a post about shipping xt's in quantity shortly (a turnaround from his posts a week or two earlier) and now he's back to "unlike ati, nvidia will have plenty of stock" just because nv announced a new card (dingo you should take note if you're reading this)?

the guy is a shmuck; inq. stories has more basis in fact than his... :roll:

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
I would have if I wasnt being attacked simultaneously by 3 or more people. Maybe next time you should give others some time to explain their posts/points.

maybe you wouldn't experience such backlash if your posts were less arrogant, more logical, and your discussions were presented in a reasonable manner?

you won't get much positive response when the underlying tone of your posts are condescending and arrogant, and you favor being confrontational in your responses rather than being logical, or simply admitting you might have made an error....

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
You twisted Ben's words as anyone can plainly see. Ben is alright Ackmed, and you can learn a lot from him as most of us can. He never called you an idiot but you try to make it seem so.

Your comments about how he reflects to you now would be meaningful only in the case that Ben actually needed your approval. Which he clearly does not.

Why am I defending him, you ask? Because he deserves defending. I rarely ever see anyone standing up for you in here. If they do, it's usually just the known ATI'ers with blinders.

So you insult Ben by saying "He's not worth it". We all know he's quite valuable in these forums. Like I said, we need not your approval.

I didnt twist anything. He said, "I can only assume that it would take an idiot to come to any other conclusion." I dont come to that conclusion, and thus hes calling me an idiot. Simple as that. Its not my problem if he, and you cant see this.

Did I say he needs my approval? No. I wont take anything someone says seriously, when the call names. Like your pal ronin has done MANY times.

Its not an insult for me to say hes not worth my reading, its the truth. And its my opinion. Obviously you feel differently, and thats fine. Just like its obvious that you continue to have to post behind me, which is pretty comical to me. Its too bad you didnt keep your word about staying in the FS forums. Please reconsider.