7800GTX.... I AM IMPRESSED!!!!!!!!!!

[jiffylube1024]

Colour me impressed with the 7800's performance. Just the fact that it matches a 6800 Ultra SLI setup on almost everything is quite a feat!

Sure these things are expensive and less than 1% of the market will get one; it's still a preview of what's to come next generation, and the "midrange" cards based on this technology will be mighty impressive.

This will be a tough act for ATI to follow, but it will keep them motivated...

 

[Munky]

The problem is it doesnt beat dual 6800 ultras, not even close. Look at this review
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/geforce-7800gtx/index.x?pg=1

They used custom demos, not some prerecorded timedemos, and in practiacally every case dual 6800 ultras in sli beat a single 7800 by a wide margin. The only 2 cases where it wins is in Farcry HDR and BF2 demo, and those results are the exception because:
1. HDR gets almost no benefit from SLI on either card
2. The fraps measurement of BF2 is questionable
That is disappointing, because the leap from a single 6800u to a 7800 is a lot less than the generation leaps we have seen before. Looks like all those with dual 6800 gts or ultras are still better off than with a single 7800, contrary to the rumors and hype that has been spread before the gf7 launch.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Yes it is close. Not in all the benchmarks but even in some of those it beats the SLI.

Their problem is they are using 1600x1200 max.. pump it up to 2048x1536 or do 16x12 with maxed out AA/AF and you'll see the difference.

The 7800 is a high resolution beast, even without being in SLI.

Its actually good news though that last gen SLI isnt blown out of the water, its a more viable upgrade path that way.

Especially considering Nvidia was "dumb enough" to make a "slow" SM3 part last generation because lord knows we didnt need it...

you get the same features of the G70 (at least as far as gaming features are concerned) with last gen SLI. So it might turn out a nice upgrade path for a lot of guys here. Its not like NV40 was short on SM3.

I've been saying for a long time that you can have next gen performance today with SLI.. same with SLI'd 7800GTXs.
I'm tired of people whining about "NEXT GEN! NEXT GEN!" when you can have it today basically, just pop in 2 of them..
Nvidia makes it possible.

And I salute them.

Dual 7800s might be overkill for my monitor (1680x1050) and my games (Battlefield 2, UT04, HL2) but like 2x6800GT/Ultra SLI, its ready for next generation games like Unreal 3.



I think for those with the 1920x1200 displays, a 7800GTX is a must have purchase. Pop a 2nd one in if its not enough for you.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky
The problem is it doesnt beat dual 6800 ultras, not even close. Look at this review
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/geforce-7800gtx/index.x?pg=1

They used custom demos, not some prerecorded timedemos, and in practiacally every case dual 6800 ultras in sli beat a single 7800 by a wide margin. The only 2 cases where it wins is in Farcry HDR and BF2 demo, and those results are the exception because:
1. HDR gets almost no benefit from SLI on either card
2. The fraps measurement of BF2 is questionable
That is disappointing, because the leap from a single 6800u to a 7800 is a lot less than the generation leaps we have seen before. Looks like all those with dual 6800 gts or ultras are still better off than with a single 7800, contrary to the rumors and hype that has been spread before the gf7 launch.

What.. Anand's review not satisfactory to you? TechReport had something more in line with what you wanted to see?

 

[nitromullet]

Yeah, this is a midrange part (or high-mid like the 6800GT)

See, this is where you are going wrong, and why people are surprised at the price of this card. Right now the 7800GTX is the top-of-the-line, #1, top dog card. There is no single better card out there. Sure, you've heard rumors about some Ultra card from nVidia, but nothing remotely close to concrete. R520!?! We don't even know what ATI plans on calling the production card yet. I'm sure as time passes there will be new cards that surpass the 7800GTX, but for right now this is king of the hill. Comparing this card to the 6800GT is really not right either. If you recall last year, nVidia launched the 6800Ultra and the 6800 at first. Then (probably due to yield issues with the Ultra) they announced the 6800GT at a lower pricepoint. The GT was a major win for nVidia because it let them sell the NV40 cores that woudln't cut it for Ultra cards, and a great product for customers who wanted awesome performance, but didn't want to pony up the money for an Ultra. The 7800GTX today is not in the same bracket as the 6800GT was at the time of it's launch, so it is a poor comparison regardless of whether or not you think that nVidia has an Ultra just waiting to be released.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Of course they are readying a "ultra" version..

yeah they've outfoxed ATI since the NV40 in every department because they are dumb and dont know how to put the screws to the canadians.

 

[nitromullet]

Yes, I'm sure they are already working on a superior card (more than one actually). However, that does not negate the fact that the 7800GTX is the absolutle top performing card at the moment and to think that nVidia would charge midrange prices for this card is ridiculous.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky
The problem is it doesnt beat dual 6800 ultras, not even close. Look at this review
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/geforce-7800gtx/index.x?pg=1

They used custom demos, not some prerecorded timedemos, and in practiacally every case dual 6800 ultras in sli beat a single 7800 by a wide margin. The only 2 cases where it wins is in Farcry HDR and BF2 demo, and those results are the exception because:
1. HDR gets almost no benefit from SLI on either card
2. The fraps measurement of BF2 is questionable
That is disappointing, because the leap from a single 6800u to a 7800 is a lot less than the generation leaps we have seen before. Looks like all those with dual 6800 gts or ultras are still better off than with a single 7800, contrary to the rumors and hype that has been spread before the gf7 launch.

Munky, you are just wrong. HardOCP uses FRAPs apparently, and their review shows the 7800GTX equalling or beating the 6800U SLI in situations other than Far Cry HDR and BF2:

Doom3
16X12 4X8X
7800GTX: 25/60/53 (min/max/ave) and thats transparency MS AA Munky. I have seen the benefit of that, you have not, don't discount how much it adds.

6800U SLI 4X8X: 22/60/54
The 6800U SLI is about equal, not beating the 7800 like you say it should.

HL2
16X12 4X16X (transparency again)
7800GTX 41/234/113fps
6800U SLI 4X16X: 23/230/110fps
The 7800 clearly wins this Munky.

HDR gets no benefit from SLI?
HardOCP disagrees with the famous Munky

With the GeForce 7800 GTX, this is no longer the case. We were able to literally set the highest values in Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory -- there was no going higher. We were running at 1600x1200 with HDR, Parallax Mapping, and Soft Shadows just with the single GeForce 7800 GTX. When we put in two for SLI, we saw performance jump up even higher -- it was just insane! With these cards you have a choice, go HDR and high resolution at 1600x1200 or turn off HDR and run with 4x TR SSAA. This is the only card that gives you that option right now.

Munky you've never seen a 7800, or 6800U SLI I bet. What's with the FUD agenda?

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: southpawuni
This thing can handle any game out there, and it appears to need a powerful CPU, and at high resolutions we FINALLY have a savior, 2048x1536 or similar is now playable..

needless to say I am very, very impressed with this part.

Cool, quiet, SINGLE SLOT, draws LESS power than a 6800 Ultra and is as fast or faster than 6800Ultra SLI.

Yeah, and its available.. bye bye ATI.

I'm sorry, but NV40 was a blowout round for Nvidia and this is even more of a blowout.

I cant imagine the 32pipe card ready for R520 (if it ever even gets here).

Come up with all the excuses you want to hate on Nvidia and their new card, but this card is AMAZING and quiet to boot!
But all arguments are moot because SLI is available TODAY, and the 7800 is for sale TODAY and is the new King after the Geforce6.

I give the luck of the Irish to ATI.. they need it.

Your right but guess what ATI has the world record with cross fire and 2 X850Xt PE ( I am quit sure G70 does by now I would hope but it hasn't been announced) I don't know why ATI hasn't released R520 maybe the rumors are correct . Maybe Ati just wanted to know if it should release this card at 24 pipes or 32 pipes.
As it stands right now it well be released as a 24 pipe unit given what they now know about the G70 performance.
They would do this so after they release it they can go to 32 pipes in 6 months and release a new faster card.
If the rumors are true and Ati has problems with leakage and yields who knows when well see R520. I think there well be an announcement next week . I got sucked in by the TI4600 it won't happen again. Either way I don't care. Fact is its nice to see nvidia leading in the single card performance area after all ATI has owned them since the 9700pro except for SLI.

Latest rumors about G70 is they only have 16 pipes enabled right now.So that when ATI releases R520. Nvidia well unlock the other 8 pipes with driver update. I well know tomorrow as Davids 5 G70 should arrive it should be on the box 24 pipes.

There is a man here claiming to do nda,s for both Nvidia and Ati and he is a nvidia fan boy. So if there is a problem with ATI R520 I am quit sure he would be babbling about it.
who knows

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Munky, you are just wrong. HardOCP uses FRAPs apparently, and their review shows the 7800GTX equalling or beating the 6800U SLI in situations other than Far Cry HDR and BF2:

So I guess this disproves your fud of 6800gt sli being as good or better than next gen? Quieter, less power and better IQ to boot.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Munky, you are just wrong. HardOCP uses FRAPs apparently, and their review shows the 7800GTX equalling or beating the 6800U SLI in situations other than Far Cry HDR and BF2:

So I guess this disproves your fud of 6800gt sli being as good or better than next gen? Quieter, less power and better IQ to boot.

I don't know where you get that Ronnn. 6800GT SLI is about as good as 6800U SLI, which is about as good as 7800GTX at many things.

How does that disprove me? In any case, I'll prove it one way or the other before this weekend is up. I'll add single 7800GTX and 7800GTX SLI benches to my prior, and we'll see who tells the truth?


BTW- I'm not going to be sad nVidia added quieter, lower power, re-vamped shaders, and transparency AA to the mix- they're all welcome selling points of the 7800GTX. My point still stands though- 6800GT SLI offers close to the "next gen" gaming experience. (not enough less to lose sleep and regret your SLI purchase over anyway)

 

[kmmatney]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: kmmatney
Nice card, but anyone paying $600 for a video card is a clown.

http://www.umass.edu/aesop/foxgrapes/palica/foxgrapes_trad.html

"It's easy to despise what you cannot have."

Come on...like this is a question of not having enough money to get it? Maybe he just recognizes it is insane to spend that much on a video card that will depreciate quite quickly.

The problem is that it's not insane. If you have an "adult" hobby (e.g. golfing, tennis club membership, boating, flying, etc) you blow more than $600 a year with nothing to show for it.

If you buy this card, you have a usable video card for a year or two.

I was just pointing out that he is justifying his decision not to buy, not putting forth a rational argument of the "insanity".

My "adult" hobbies are tennis and budget computer gaming. Tennis is way cheap - My top of the line racquets (Babolat Pure Drive) were only $130. I bought two so I could SLI them, and I string them myself. If they came out with a $600 racquets, I would call anyone who buys it a clown.

I have 4 computers setup for gaming in my basement. This was easy to maintain when budget gaming was easy to do, a few years back. Those days appear to be ending...

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: kmmatney

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Excelsior

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: kmmatney
Nice card, but anyone paying $600 for a video card is a clown.

http://www.umass.edu/aesop/foxgrapes/palica/foxgrapes_trad.html

"It's easy to despise what you cannot have."

Come on...like this is a question of not having enough money to get it? Maybe he just recognizes it is insane to spend that much on a video card that will depreciate quite quickly.

The problem is that it's not insane. If you have an "adult" hobby (e.g. golfing, tennis club membership, boating, flying, etc) you blow more than $600 a year with nothing to show for it.

If you buy this card, you have a usable video card for a year or two.

I was just pointing out that he is justifying his decision not to buy, not putting forth a rational argument of the "insanity".

My "adult" hobbies are tennis and budget computer gaming. Tennis is way cheap - My top of the line racquets (Babolat Pure Drive) were only $130. I bought two so I could SLI them, and I string them myself. If they came out with a $600 racquets, I would call anyone who buys it a clown.

I have 4 computers setup for gaming in my basement. This was easy to maintain when budget gaming was easy to do, a few years back. Those days appear to be ending...

We don't all live in California. Here you need to belong to a racquet club and buy court time to play year round?

You have an interesting perspective on life calling people who buy the best video cards "clowns". Would you appreciate if they publicly called you names because of your budget choice of cards?

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
The problem is it doesnt beat dual 6800 ultras, not even close. Look at this review
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/geforce-7800gtx/index.x?pg=1

They used custom demos, not some prerecorded timedemos, and in practiacally every case dual 6800 ultras in sli beat a single 7800 by a wide margin. The only 2 cases where it wins is in Farcry HDR and BF2 demo, and those results are the exception because:
1. HDR gets almost no benefit from SLI on either card
2. The fraps measurement of BF2 is questionable
That is disappointing, because the leap from a single 6800u to a 7800 is a lot less than the generation leaps we have seen before. Looks like all those with dual 6800 gts or ultras are still better off than with a single 7800, contrary to the rumors and hype that has been spread before the gf7 launch.

Munky, you are just wrong. HardOCP uses FRAPs apparently, and their review shows the 7800GTX equalling or beating the 6800U SLI in situations other than Far Cry HDR and BF2:

Doom3
16X12 4X8X
7800GTX: 25/60/53 (min/max/ave) and thats transparency MS AA Munky. I have seen the benefit of that, you have not, don't discount how much it adds.

6800U SLI 4X8X: 22/60/54
The 6800U SLI is about equal, not beating the 7800 like you say it should.

HL2
16X12 4X16X (transparency again)
7800GTX 41/234/113fps
6800U SLI 4X16X: 23/230/110fps
The 7800 clearly wins this Munky.

HDR gets no benefit from SLI?
HardOCP disagrees with the famous Munky

With the GeForce 7800 GTX, this is no longer the case. We were able to literally set the highest values in Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory -- there was no going higher. We were running at 1600x1200 with HDR, Parallax Mapping, and Soft Shadows just with the single GeForce 7800 GTX. When we put in two for SLI, we saw performance jump up even higher -- it was just insane! With these cards you have a choice, go HDR and high resolution at 1600x1200 or turn off HDR and run with 4x TR SSAA. This is the only card that gives you that option right now.

Munky you've never seen a 7800, or 6800U SLI I bet. What's with the FUD agenda?

So if the results of some review disagree with your opinion, its FUD? Give me a break. First of all, transparency MSAA give almost no IQ improvement, and only in some games is the card fast enough to do transparency SSAA. Also, since the test you linked to used different settings for each card, you cant compare apples to apples here. Who's the one with the FUD? You gotta try harder if you want to disprove the famous munky...

 

[dfloyd]

Originally posted by: zendari
Perhaps not for you, Rollo, but not all of us have "adult" hobbies. Even on an enthusiast forum like this I don't think that many people will purchase one; for $600 better to buy a 6800 GT and an xbox 360 IMO.

The simple fact is that its not even close to a mainstream part.

What Zendari is saying is making alot of sense here, whether your a Ati fan or a Nvidia fan one fact remains. The high end crowd means little in overall volume for either company. What Ati does in the next few weeks with their X8XXs will be very interesting as does what Nvidia does with their 68XXs.

Anyone can advance technology, do you really think M$ has the most advanced everything all of the time? Of course not. Its how they react to the new releases of technology it that defines the company and honestly it should be pretty interesting to see how Ati reacts.

I guess I am probably the least enthuasastic person on this forum about this card for one very simple reason. I expected the product to at least be what it is. (I mean heck if it did not at least live up to this performance level then what would of been the point of the card?)

People are acting like because the card does what it should, considering the generation within which it has been released, that it is something spectacular. Its not spectacular, its what it should have been, if it was Spectacular it would have easily doubled a current SLI rig in all tests with many new features, but since it just continues the norm for the most part and does it better this should be considered standard progression. We get too excited over any improvement anymore because of some of the crap thats been released in the past. All companies including Nvidia are guility of it. So we can celebrate, but celebrating what should have been expected as a given is kind if strange imo.

Thats not saying dont buy the card, thats not saying dont be happy they released it, all I am saying is dont make it out to be something its not. Its a great card, but at that cost and considering the current tech level it dang well better be.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
The problem is it doesnt beat dual 6800 ultras, not even close. Look at this review
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/geforce-7800gtx/index.x?pg=1

They used custom demos, not some prerecorded timedemos, and in practiacally every case dual 6800 ultras in sli beat a single 7800 by a wide margin. The only 2 cases where it wins is in Farcry HDR and BF2 demo, and those results are the exception because:
1. HDR gets almost no benefit from SLI on either card
2. The fraps measurement of BF2 is questionable
That is disappointing, because the leap from a single 6800u to a 7800 is a lot less than the generation leaps we have seen before. Looks like all those with dual 6800 gts or ultras are still better off than with a single 7800, contrary to the rumors and hype that has been spread before the gf7 launch.

Munky, you are just wrong. HardOCP uses FRAPs apparently, and their review shows the 7800GTX equalling or beating the 6800U SLI in situations other than Far Cry HDR and BF2:

Doom3
16X12 4X8X
7800GTX: 25/60/53 (min/max/ave) and thats transparency MS AA Munky. I have seen the benefit of that, you have not, don't discount how much it adds.

6800U SLI 4X8X: 22/60/54
The 6800U SLI is about equal, not beating the 7800 like you say it should.

HL2
16X12 4X16X (transparency again)
7800GTX 41/234/113fps
6800U SLI 4X16X: 23/230/110fps
The 7800 clearly wins this Munky.

HDR gets no benefit from SLI?
HardOCP disagrees with the famous Munky

With the GeForce 7800 GTX, this is no longer the case. We were able to literally set the highest values in Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory -- there was no going higher. We were running at 1600x1200 with HDR, Parallax Mapping, and Soft Shadows just with the single GeForce 7800 GTX. When we put in two for SLI, we saw performance jump up even higher -- it was just insane! With these cards you have a choice, go HDR and high resolution at 1600x1200 or turn off HDR and run with 4x TR SSAA. This is the only card that gives you that option right now.

Munky you've never seen a 7800, or 6800U SLI I bet. What's with the FUD agenda?

So if the results of some review disagree with your opinion, its FUD? Give me a break. First of all, transparency MSAA give almost no IQ improvement, and only in some games is the card fast enough to do transparency SSAA. Also, since the test you linked to used different settings for each card, you cant compare apples to apples here. Who's the one with the FUD? You gotta try harder if you want to disprove the famous munky...

Munky, for your own good man. shooosh. Your really looking like the poster boy for dufus.com. Transparency AA gives no IQ improvement? Just wow. You apparently did not even read a single review of the 7800GTX. Did you not see the chainlink fence examples? AMAZING!!

BTW. The famous munky? W....T....F....

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Munky you've never seen a 7800, or 6800U SLI I bet. What's with the FUD agenda?

You've never seen a Crossfire system either, yet had this to say about it:

Originally posted by: Rollo
So it's "nVidia is crushing ATI now, when this comes out nVidia will still be crushing ATI" for top performance.

Crossfire previews thread



Isn't this exactly what you are accusing Munky of? Maybe you should stop spreading it yourself before worrying about anybody else.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: munky
So if the results of some review disagree with your opinion, its FUD?

It's not my "opinion" Munky. I'm running the benches right now on 7800GTX SLI. It's blowing away my 6800GT SLI at the same settings on the same system. Have you done the same?

Give me a break. First of all, transparency MSAA give almost no IQ improvement, and only in some games is the card fast enough to do transparency SSAA.

Have you seen it? I have. On a huge movie screen at the product launch in San Francisco, toggled back and forth between modes. Now I can see it by turning it on. BTW- if it's fast enough at Doom3 and HL2, what's it slow on? :roll:

Also, since the test you linked to used different settings for each card, you cant compare apples to apples here.

You think tranparency MS AA is easier to run? (you do realize you have to look at both graphs and they're both at the same setting with the only difference being transparency vs regular AA, right)
Oh well. Good news for ytou famous Munky. My first round of benches is standard AA, and the 7800s still rock the house.

Who's the one with the FUD?

You are.

You gotta try harder if you want to disprove the famous munky...

I just did.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig
Isn't this exactly what you are accusing Munky of? Maybe you should stop spreading it yourself before worrying about anybody else.

There's a BIG difference Creig:
Munky is taking the results of one review site as true over all others.

I posted links to many review sites, and used that combined with what "insider info" I could gather, to form an opinion of the MIA Crossfire setup.

(as far as 7800GTXs goes, I'm just using hands on experience to debunk Munky's claims)

 

[imported_DaveA]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig
Isn't this exactly what you are accusing Munky of? Maybe you should stop spreading it yourself before worrying about anybody else.

There's a BIG difference Creig:
Munky is taking the results of one review site as true over all others.

I posted links to many review sites, and used that combined with what "insider info" I could gather, to form an opinion of the MIA Crossfire setup.

(as far as 7800GTXs goes, I'm just using hands on experience to debunk Munky's claims)

why are you so bothered over a fools claim?

we all know that transparancy AA kicks ass with next to no performance hit.

 

[BFG10K]

At the demo last night they said it's quieter than a single 6800U.

Being quieter than a single 6800U is not really saying much. A silent X800 XL with passive cooling like I have now - that speaks volumes.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: DaveA

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig
Isn't this exactly what you are accusing Munky of? Maybe you should stop spreading it yourself before worrying about anybody else.

There's a BIG difference Creig:
Munky is taking the results of one review site as true over all others.

I posted links to many review sites, and used that combined with what "insider info" I could gather, to form an opinion of the MIA Crossfire setup.

(as far as 7800GTXs goes, I'm just using hands on experience to debunk Munky's claims)

why are you so bothered over a fools claim?

we all know that transparancy AA kicks ass with next to no performance hit.

You have hit the nail on the head- I worry about a fools claim because people come to boards like this looking for real information from real people. When someone like this posts nonsense, people are mislead and make poor choices buying hardware.

If someone believed Munky, they would buy a 6800U SLI over a single 7800GTX. That might not be a bad choice, but you could certainly make the argument a 7800GTX might be the better buy for a variety of reasons?

 

[imported_DaveA]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: DaveA

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Creig
Isn't this exactly what you are accusing Munky of? Maybe you should stop spreading it yourself before worrying about anybody else.

There's a BIG difference Creig:
Munky is taking the results of one review site as true over all others.

I posted links to many review sites, and used that combined with what "insider info" I could gather, to form an opinion of the MIA Crossfire setup.

(as far as 7800GTXs goes, I'm just using hands on experience to debunk Munky's claims)

why are you so bothered over a fools claim?

we all know that transparancy AA kicks ass with next to no performance hit.

You have hit the nail on the head- I worry about a fools claim because people come to boards like this looking for real information from real people. When someone like this posts nonsense, people are mislead and make poor choices buying hardware.

If someone believed Munky, they would buy a 6800U SLI over a single 7800GTX. That might not be a bad choice, but you could certainly make the argument a 7800GTX might be the better buy for a variety of reasons?

lets see...

7800GTX uses less power than the 6800 series
more shader power
less heat
transparancy aa
working video processor....

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
The problem is it doesnt beat dual 6800 ultras, not even close. Look at this review
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/geforce-7800gtx/index.x?pg=1

They used custom demos, not some prerecorded timedemos, and in practiacally every case dual 6800 ultras in sli beat a single 7800 by a wide margin. The only 2 cases where it wins is in Farcry HDR and BF2 demo, and those results are the exception because:
1. HDR gets almost no benefit from SLI on either card
2. The fraps measurement of BF2 is questionable
That is disappointing, because the leap from a single 6800u to a 7800 is a lot less than the generation leaps we have seen before. Looks like all those with dual 6800 gts or ultras are still better off than with a single 7800, contrary to the rumors and hype that has been spread before the gf7 launch.

Munky, you are just wrong. HardOCP uses FRAPs apparently, and their review shows the 7800GTX equalling or beating the 6800U SLI in situations other than Far Cry HDR and BF2:

Doom3
16X12 4X8X
7800GTX: 25/60/53 (min/max/ave) and thats transparency MS AA Munky. I have seen the benefit of that, you have not, don't discount how much it adds.

6800U SLI 4X8X: 22/60/54
The 6800U SLI is about equal, not beating the 7800 like you say it should.

HL2
16X12 4X16X (transparency again)
7800GTX 41/234/113fps
6800U SLI 4X16X: 23/230/110fps
The 7800 clearly wins this Munky.

HDR gets no benefit from SLI?
HardOCP disagrees with the famous Munky

With the GeForce 7800 GTX, this is no longer the case. We were able to literally set the highest values in Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory -- there was no going higher. We were running at 1600x1200 with HDR, Parallax Mapping, and Soft Shadows just with the single GeForce 7800 GTX. When we put in two for SLI, we saw performance jump up even higher -- it was just insane! With these cards you have a choice, go HDR and high resolution at 1600x1200 or turn off HDR and run with 4x TR SSAA. This is the only card that gives you that option right now.

Munky you've never seen a 7800, or 6800U SLI I bet. What's with the FUD agenda?

So if the results of some review disagree with your opinion, its FUD? Give me a break. First of all, transparency MSAA give almost no IQ improvement, and only in some games is the card fast enough to do transparency SSAA. Also, since the test you linked to used different settings for each card, you cant compare apples to apples here. Who's the one with the FUD? You gotta try harder if you want to disprove the famous munky...

Munky, for your own good man. shooosh. Your really looking like the poster boy for dufus.com. Transparency AA gives no IQ improvement? Just wow. You apparently did not even read a single review of the 7800GTX. Did you not see the chainlink fence examples? AMAZING!!

BTW. The famous munky? W....T....F....

For your own good, learn how to read. There are 2 types of transparency antialiasing, and only one of them gives "amazing" visual results, at the expence of fps. Did YOU read any reviews of the 7800. I definitely read more than one, I'm not trying to make stuff up or make the gf7 look bad. But I expected more performance from a new $600 card.

BTW, I didn't give that nickname to myself...

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

At the demo last night they said it's quieter than a single 6800U.

Being quieter than a single 6800U is not really saying much. A silent X800 XL with passive cooling like I have now - that speaks volumes.

O....M........G

You downgraded from a 6800Ultra to a X800XL??!?!?!?!?!?!?

You know how you say over and over and over about how I'm "nuts" because I traded a 9800Pro for a 5800U to try one for a few months?
Don't ever say that again- I'll remind you of this little backslide.

BFG- screwing yourself over for SC:CT, Prey, Q4, and Wolf 2 isn't what I'd call "upgrading"?

BTW- the 7800GTX SLI is as quiet, or quieter, than my 6800GT SLI.