7800GTX.... I AM IMPRESSED!!!!!!!!!!

[imported_DaveA]

rollo i remember reading a review on the gtx and it stated that it was quieter than the 6800 ultra, a 2 slot cooler...

 

[BFG10K]

You downgraded from a 6800Ultra to a X800XL??!?!?!?!?!?!?

It's actually faster than the 6800U in certain cases plus it doesn't sound like a jet engine. You have no idea what a difference it makes to run games for hours and get nothing but absolute silence from the card. Also it can do 6xAA which is far faster and more viable than any of nV's SS modes.

You know how you say over and over and over about how I'm "nuts" because I traded a 9800Pro for a 5800U to try one for a few months?

I listed the benefits above; what "benefits" did you get from pruchasing a card three times that even nVidia were laughing at? Your fiasco of "upgrading" to the card three times while lambasting ATi for producing the same cards was nothing more than an extension of your nV bias.

Don't ever say that again- I'll remind you of this little backslide.

I don't think so.

BFG- screwing yourself over for SC:CT, Prey, Q4, and Wolf 2 isn't what I'd call "upgrading"?

And where are those games exactly?

BTW- the 7800GTX SLI is as quiet, or quieter, than my 6800GT SLI.

I love it how you use the term quiet to describe a pair of 6800GTs. Are they as "quiet" as your 5800U? :roll:

Do your ears actually register noise or are you deaf?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: munky

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
The problem is it doesnt beat dual 6800 ultras, not even close. Look at this review
http://www.techreport.com/reviews/2005q2/geforce-7800gtx/index.x?pg=1

They used custom demos, not some prerecorded timedemos, and in practiacally every case dual 6800 ultras in sli beat a single 7800 by a wide margin. The only 2 cases where it wins is in Farcry HDR and BF2 demo, and those results are the exception because:
1. HDR gets almost no benefit from SLI on either card
2. The fraps measurement of BF2 is questionable
That is disappointing, because the leap from a single 6800u to a 7800 is a lot less than the generation leaps we have seen before. Looks like all those with dual 6800 gts or ultras are still better off than with a single 7800, contrary to the rumors and hype that has been spread before the gf7 launch.

Munky, you are just wrong. HardOCP uses FRAPs apparently, and their review shows the 7800GTX equalling or beating the 6800U SLI in situations other than Far Cry HDR and BF2:

Doom3
16X12 4X8X
7800GTX: 25/60/53 (min/max/ave) and thats transparency MS AA Munky. I have seen the benefit of that, you have not, don't discount how much it adds.

6800U SLI 4X8X: 22/60/54
The 6800U SLI is about equal, not beating the 7800 like you say it should.

HL2
16X12 4X16X (transparency again)
7800GTX 41/234/113fps
6800U SLI 4X16X: 23/230/110fps
The 7800 clearly wins this Munky.

HDR gets no benefit from SLI?
HardOCP disagrees with the famous Munky

With the GeForce 7800 GTX, this is no longer the case. We were able to literally set the highest values in Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory -- there was no going higher. We were running at 1600x1200 with HDR, Parallax Mapping, and Soft Shadows just with the single GeForce 7800 GTX. When we put in two for SLI, we saw performance jump up even higher -- it was just insane! With these cards you have a choice, go HDR and high resolution at 1600x1200 or turn off HDR and run with 4x TR SSAA. This is the only card that gives you that option right now.

Munky you've never seen a 7800, or 6800U SLI I bet. What's with the FUD agenda?

So if the results of some review disagree with your opinion, its FUD? Give me a break. First of all, transparency MSAA give almost no IQ improvement, and only in some games is the card fast enough to do transparency SSAA. Also, since the test you linked to used different settings for each card, you cant compare apples to apples here. Who's the one with the FUD? You gotta try harder if you want to disprove the famous munky...

Munky, for your own good man. shooosh. Your really looking like the poster boy for dufus.com. Transparency AA gives no IQ improvement? Just wow. You apparently did not even read a single review of the 7800GTX. Did you not see the chainlink fence examples? AMAZING!!

BTW. The famous munky? W....T....F....

For your own good, learn how to read. There are 2 types of transparency antialiasing, and only one of them gives "amazing" visual results, at the expence of fps. Did YOU read any reviews of the 7800. I definitely read more than one, I'm not trying to make stuff up or make the gf7 look bad. But I expected more performance from a new $600 card.

BTW, I didn't give that nickname to myself...

Sigh. Yes munky, I know how to read. MSAA Transparency gives an IQ boost. SSAA gives an enormous IQ boost. And the dufus remark was just because you are debating something that is just silly.

Wait a sec. This is De Ja Vous. I remember this happening once, no twice, maybe more, times before. Christ. all this crap is like a broken record gen after gen. Boring.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

You downgraded from a 6800Ultra to a X800XL??!?!?!?!?!?!?

It's actually faster than the 6800U in certain cases plus it doesn't sound like a jet engine. You have no idea what a difference it makes to run games for hours and get nothing but absolute silence from the card. Also it can do 6xAA which is far faster and more viable than any of nV's SS modes.

LOL- what cases are those TR:AOD? As far as your 6XAA, still running in "Performance" (readiminished IQ) mode? I'm doing transparency MS AA these days, and on my five year old 6800 GT I'll run 16X. I think both sort of shame anything ATI is up to now?

BFG- screwing yourself over for SC:CT, Prey, Q4, and Wolf 2 isn't what I'd call "upgrading"?

And where are those games exactly?

SC:CT is on the shelf next to me, along with Riddick, another game an X800XL can't run well. The other three are due this year, AFAIK?

BTW- the 7800GTX SLI is as quiet, or quieter, than my 6800GT SLI.

I love it how you use the term quiet to describe a pair of 6800GTs. Are they as "quiet" as your 5800U? :roll:

[/quote]
The difference between us is I've actually heard 6800GT SLI and 7800GTX SLI running? You're just guessing based on your experience with a dual slot 6800U. My listening to it running 2 feet away beats your guessing any day of the week.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Sigh. Yes munky, I know how to read. MSAA Transparency gives an IQ boost. SSAA gives an enormous IQ boost. And the dufus remark was just because you are debating something that is just silly.

Wait a sec. This is De Ja Vous. I remember this happening once, no twice, maybe more, times before. Christ. all this crap is like a broken record gen after gen. Boring.

LOL

 

[Intelia]

Guys David's sitting here busting a got. He just can't believe it . First off Rollo G70 is nice but its not great . THE 9700 PRO was great. Second of all this noisy issue is really cracking him up . Rollo you shalled out $1200 for video cards so would David. David wouldn't even consider not using water cooling really think about it. If you have these high dollar cards you probablely have other really good hardware also . O/C cpu, top of the line memory, dual raptors, nice case, good power supply, good dual layer DVD. Than your not on water lol. Its called silent computing its really not a new concept.

 

[imported_Rampage]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

At the demo last night they said it's quieter than a single 6800U.

Being quieter than a single 6800U is not really saying much. A silent X800 XL with passive cooling like I have now - that speaks volumes.

Wow. You would rather have a X800XL rather than a 6800Ultra?

My 6800GT is more quiet than my 120mm fan in the front of my case, let alone the rear one, or the PSU or the CPU cooler. The Ultra might be louder, but you are still a fool.

 

[BFG10K]

LOL- what cases are those TR:AOD?

So far Far Cry and Quake 3 but I haven't had a chance to test everything yet. Admittedly it could be because I have a faster CPU/platform but 1920x1440 with 4xAA should be pretty GPU limited on both cards.

As far as your 6XAA, still running in "Performance" (readiminished IQ) mode?

So how many games did you run SS modes on your 6800GT SLI Rollo?

I'm doing transparency MS AA these days, and on my five year old 6800 GT I'll run 16X.

I don't recall you ever mentioning your disgust for nVidia's previous MSAA methods and hence your usage of SS. So again I'll ask Rollo, how many games did you run under SS modes on your 6800GT SLI system?

SC:CT is on the shelf next to me, along with Riddick, another game an X800XL can't run well.

So if I had TR:AOD on the shelf next to me what would be your response? "Wallet raider" or somesuch nonsense?

I don't have the game, I'm just illustrating how childish your troll arguments are.

The other three are due this year, AFAIK?

Like the existing SM 2.x titles back in your 5800U fetish days which you deemed irrelevant?

The difference between us is I've actually heard 6800GT SLI and 7800GTX SLI running?

Notice how you never answered the question?

You're just guessing based on your experience with a dual slot 6800U.

So if the 6800GT is half as loud as a 6800U then two of them would be just as loud. Or are you suggesting a single GT is less than half as loud?

My listening to it running 2 feet away beats your guessing any day of the week

We have actual decibel readings on the web that clearly demonstrate your "listening" appears to have severe limitations.

 

[BFG10K]

My 6800GT is more quiet than my 120mm fan in the front of my case, let alone the rear one, or the PSU or the CPU cooler.

That's your problem, not mine.

but you are still a fool.

Erm, no.

 

[n yusef]

The 7800GTX looks good. It performs well at super-high resolutions (I have a nice 1680*1050 screen that I plan on keeping for a while, so this doesn't matter that much FOR ME), uses less power than the 6800U, is quiter than one (isn't saying much, but that's still good), and the stock cooler only takes up one slot. DOWNSIDE: It's $600. Yes, I CAN, pay for one, or two, or five, or ten, but I don't think it is a good use of my money. I play HL2 sometimes, and I started playing FarCry because I got it for free in a Monarch bundle, but besides that, I'm not into FPS games too much. For $250 I got an X800 XL, which serves my needs very well (I can play FarCry on high quality 1680*1050 with 4aa/8af without any slowdowns), so I don't see a reason to upgrade. I couldn't care less about 3DMark, or even how many FPS I get in a game, as long as it plays smoothly.

Kudos to those who will benefit from the launch of the 7800GTX! I'm not one of the exclusive group, but my e-Penis is large enough already.

 

[Munky]

Sigh. Yes munky, I know how to read. MSAA Transparency gives an IQ boost. SSAA gives an enormous IQ boost. And the dufus remark was just because you are debating something that is just silly.

Yeah, MSAA gives an IQ boost in tranparent textures? When you zoom in like 300 times? That's not what I'd call an IQ boost, and every review I've read said the IQ boost from TR MSAA compared to regular MSAA is hardly noticeable. Definitely nothing to brag about. Of course I bet you were bragging about how you could blow leaves off your lawn with your favorite video card a few years back, so I pretty much know what to expect from your arguments. I'd still like to see how a gf7 is gonna pull off the 3000 3dmarks deficit compared to dual 6800 ultras and apply it to real world games.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Intelia
Guys David's sitting here busting a got. He just can't believe it . First off Rollo G70 is nice but its not great . THE 9700 PRO was great. Second of all this noisy issue is really cracking him up . Rollo you shalled out $1200 for video cards so would David. David wouldn't even consider not using water cooling really think about it. If you have these high dollar cards you probablely have other really good hardware also . O/C cpu, top of the line memory, dual raptors, nice case, good power supply, good dual layer DVD. Than your not on water lol. Its called silent computing its really not a new concept.

Errr, I'm sorry to bust David's "got". I don't have water cooling on purpose, I have a Thermaltake XaserIII for good air cooling. After my buddies Koolance Exos system leaked on him the 3rd time, and they gave him the runaround, I opted for nice safe air cooling.
As far as "silent" goes, my system is quiet and I have no need of it being dead silent.

 

[IamTHEsnake]

Good god Rollo. You already dropped the dough for the SLIed GTXs?

If I didn't know any better, I'd say your addicted to new hardware.

Expensive habit.

 

[MQ]

Why make a big deal about the card owning everything else at 2048x1536 when less than 1% of gamers play at that resolution. All I hear southpawuni saying is "Im a fanboy who has too much money to burn and I like to hype up a nvidia product which hasn't delivered enough performance gain at resolutions which most people play at (1024x768 - 1600x1200)"

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: MQ
Why make a big deal about the card owning everything else at 2048x1536 when less than 1% of gamers play at that resolution. All I hear southpawuni saying is "Im a fanboy who has too much money to burn and I like to hype up a nvidia product which hasn't delivered enough performance gain at resolutions which most people play at (1024x768 - 1600x1200)"

Maybe they don't play at that resolution because before now they couldn't?

I just benched HL2 on 7800SLI- same scores at 19X14 4X8X as 16X12 4X8X- that is worth some money.
(at least to me)

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Munky, you are just wrong. HardOCP uses FRAPs apparently, and their review shows the 7800GTX equalling or beating the 6800U SLI in situations other than Far Cry HDR and BF2:

So I guess this disproves your fud of 6800gt sli being as good or better than next gen? Quieter, less power and better IQ to boot.

I don't know where you get that Ronnn. 6800GT SLI is about as good as 6800U SLI, which is about as good as 7800GTX at many things.

How does that disprove me? In any case, I'll prove it one way or the other before this weekend is up. I'll add single 7800GTX and 7800GTX SLI benches to my prior, and we'll see who tells the truth?


BTW- I'm not going to be sad nVidia added quieter, lower power, re-vamped shaders, and transparency AA to the mix- they're all welcome selling points of the 7800GTX. My point still stands though- 6800GT SLI offers close to the "next gen" gaming experience. (not enough less to lose sleep and regret your SLI purchase over anyway)

I certainly don't remember you saying "close" to next gen during your benchmark sales threads. I remember better than one next gen card. This is without taking into account reduced IQ, louder and higher power consumption The 7800gtx should be an easier sale for you, as it is a very nice card and hopefully extremely quiet versions should be on the horizon. And costs less than dual 6800gts.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: munky

Sigh. Yes munky, I know how to read. MSAA Transparency gives an IQ boost. SSAA gives an enormous IQ boost. And the dufus remark was just because you are debating something that is just silly.

Yeah, MSAA gives an IQ boost in tranparent textures? When you zoom in like 300 times? That's not what I'd call an IQ boost, and every review I've read said the IQ boost from TR MSAA compared to regular MSAA is hardly noticeable. Definitely nothing to brag about. Of course I bet you were bragging about how you could blow leaves off your lawn with your favorite video card a few years back, so I pretty much know what to expect from your arguments. I'd still like to see how a gf7 is gonna pull off the 3000 3dmarks deficit compared to dual 6800 ultras and apply it to real world games.

Funny you should mention the leaf blower thing. I actually never owned a 5800 at all. Ultra or non. That gen is when I went with ATI. Got disgusted, and then went with a NV35 when it first came out. So, I skipped the leaf blower. So, since you were wrong about this, I think there is no way you can come close to knowing what to expect from my arguments. Intiendo?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo

Munky, you are just wrong. HardOCP uses FRAPs apparently, and their review shows the 7800GTX equalling or beating the 6800U SLI in situations other than Far Cry HDR and BF2:

So I guess this disproves your fud of 6800gt sli being as good or better than next gen? Quieter, less power and better IQ to boot.

I don't know where you get that Ronnn. 6800GT SLI is about as good as 6800U SLI, which is about as good as 7800GTX at many things.

How does that disprove me? In any case, I'll prove it one way or the other before this weekend is up. I'll add single 7800GTX and 7800GTX SLI benches to my prior, and we'll see who tells the truth?


BTW- I'm not going to be sad nVidia added quieter, lower power, re-vamped shaders, and transparency AA to the mix- they're all welcome selling points of the 7800GTX. My point still stands though- 6800GT SLI offers close to the "next gen" gaming experience. (not enough less to lose sleep and regret your SLI purchase over anyway)

I certainly don't remember you saying "close" to next gen during your benchmark sales threads. I remember better than one next gen card. This is without taking into account reduced IQ, louder and higher power consumption The 7800gtx should be an easier sale for you, as it is a very nice card and hopefully extremely quiet versions should be on the horizon. And costs less than dual 6800gts.

Roooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!

(does best Capt Kirk yelling "Kahn" into communicator impersonation)

In a way you're right Ronnn. I didn't foresee just how good the 7800GTX would be, and I for sure was blown away at the presentation when they told us about the SM3 v.2- caught me totally by surprise.

I don't know if it matters if I "sell" any 7800GTXs, personally I'll be happy if a. I can game at insane settings b. I can give people some "real user" info that differs from the big review sites in some meaningful way. (e.g. provide some 8X16X benches, some settings the sites don't do)

If you wish to buy a 7800GTX SLI rig and say my power of salesmanship sealed the deal, feel free- you won't be dissappointed from what I've seen so far!

 

[MQ]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: MQ
Why make a big deal about the card owning everything else at 2048x1536 when less than 1% of gamers play at that resolution. All I hear southpawuni saying is "Im a fanboy who has too much money to burn and I like to hype up a nvidia product which hasn't delivered enough performance gain at resolutions which most people play at (1024x768 - 1600x1200)"

Maybe they don't play at that resolution because before now they couldn't?

I just benched HL2 on 7800SLI- same scores at 19X14 4X8X as 16X12 4X8X- that is worth some money.
(at least to me)

I doubt anyone plays at that resolution even now
Most people here have LCD's and even if your CRT monitor supports such high resolutions the refresh rates would be terrible.

 

[Insomniak]

I <3 Rollo. He's like a walking flashfire

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: MQ

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: MQ
Why make a big deal about the card owning everything else at 2048x1536 when less than 1% of gamers play at that resolution. All I hear southpawuni saying is "Im a fanboy who has too much money to burn and I like to hype up a nvidia product which hasn't delivered enough performance gain at resolutions which most people play at (1024x768 - 1600x1200)"

Maybe they don't play at that resolution because before now they couldn't?

I just benched HL2 on 7800SLI- same scores at 19X14 4X8X as 16X12 4X8X- that is worth some money.
(at least to me)

I doubt anyone plays at that resolution even now
Most people here have LCD's and even if your CRT monitor supports such high resolutions the refresh rates would be terrible.

I don't know MQ.

A. Even my "mid range" CRT does 75Hz at 19X14. Not optimal, but not like looking at a 60Hz strobe light either.
B. I don't think you can say most people here have LCDs. Some of us prefer CRTs for gaming for their advantages. I can afford a LCD easily, yet don't own one?
C. I would think any gamer in the market for a $600 card or two would have a monitor that could support 19X14? If not, there's always 16X12 with AA/AF maxed?

 

[Intelia]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: MQ

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: MQ
Why make a big deal about the card owning everything else at 2048x1536 when less than 1% of gamers play at that resolution. All I hear southpawuni saying is "Im a fanboy who has too much money to burn and I like to hype up a nvidia product which hasn't delivered enough performance gain at resolutions which most people play at (1024x768 - 1600x1200)"

Maybe they don't play at that resolution because before now they couldn't?

I just benched HL2 on 7800SLI- same scores at 19X14 4X8X as 16X12 4X8X- that is worth some money.
(at least to me)

I doubt anyone plays at that resolution even now
Most people here have LCD's and even if your CRT monitor supports such high resolutions the refresh rates would be terrible.

I don't know MQ.

A. Even my "mid range" CRT does 75Hz at 19X14. Not optimal, but not like looking at a 60Hz strobe light either.
B. I don't think you can say most people here have LCDs. Some of us prefer CRTs for gaming for their advantages. I can afford a LCD easily, yet don't own one?
C. I would think any gamer in the market for a $600 card or two would have a monitor that could support 19X14? If not, there's always 16X12 with AA/AF maxed?

Rollo Rollo Rollo my husband uses a lcd for gaming there is no ghosting it plays perfectly . But its native resulotion is 1280x1024 75Hz. This LCD performs best at its native res. period and if your going for eye candy you should use native res. also.

 

[IamTHEsnake]

What's the highest resolution LCD, that is 17" and 19"?

or Does resolution vary by the size of your monitor?

 

[dfloyd]

On LCD for the most part it varys by size of the lcd. Almost all 19" lcds are 1280 x 1024, although I have heard there is a 1600 x 1200 one floating around. Strange thing is though most all 17" lcds are also native 1280 x 1024. 15" lcds are 1024 x 768 standard and 20" are 1600 x 1200.

So yes to answer your question its based off of the size of the lcd in most all cases.

Edit: Although that is the native resolution of the monitor you can scale it lower, you cannot go above the native resolution though, but if you do take it lower it usually does not look as good, this is very subjective and varys quite a bit from one lcd to the next.

That imo is the main reason most people I know do not like the 17" lcd. 1280 x 1024 is a little fine for many peoples vision on a 17" size. Fine for me, but some definatly do not like it and scale back to 1152 x 864 or even 1024 x 768. So if your considering one of the two, if you can afford it you would honestly be alot happier, and imo get alot less eye strain from the 19" at its native res vs the 17" at its native res.

 

[IamTHEsnake]

Haha, Already bought a 710T back in spring.

At the time all I was worried about was response time and DVI-D. Anways I have good eyes so it is not such a big problem.

But thanks for the info.