780G / 8200 motherboard roundup?

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: AmdInside

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan
For those reading this thread in the future, I've now come to the conclusion that for better HD video, you need either a seperate video card OR if the motherboard has integrated video, then it would be better if that motherboard had sideport memory.

I can't believe I'm quoting my own message. Anyway, I just read on the AVSforum that even integrated video with the 790 chipset AND SidePort memory still has lag (and it disappears with a video card). BTW, I ordered an HD4670.

I have an nForce 8300 and don't get any lag. I use my HTPC for Blu-ray playback and VMC playback of HD tv shows from my OTA ATSC TV tuner. The key for me was disabling C7Q for my Athlon 64 X2 5000+ processor.

Do you mean disabling Cool & Quiet?

EDIT: You know, it may only be my own opinion, but since I found that I didn't really like the video on the Asus M3A78-EM, I decided it may be the last time I choose a motherboard with integrated video. I mean, I'm having some tiny problems with my new machine but part of it is due to all the various drivers I need to install. It's way more confusing than a regular motherboard with no video.
And I learned another thing, heatsinks almost always seem somewhat difficult to take off. I played a video game to get the thermal grease all warm but there was still so much suction that I had to slide the heatsink back and forth until it finally came off. Then I realized after taking off the stock heatsink and replacing it with the Coolermaster GeminiII S, I noticed it's a type of model that you cannot twist and slide like that. Oops! I'm always making hardware mistakes. lol Maybe next time it's going to be a Coolermaster Vortex 752 or Asus V72.

 

[deruberhanyok]

I'd like to state again that I'm not seeing any lag on my system at all with the onboard graphics.

 

[taltamir]

I was very impressed by the article. It covered all the needed bases. Stability, features, etc... thumbs up.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: renethx

Originally posted by: coolpurplefan
For those reading this thread in the future, I've now come to the conclusion that for better HD video, you need either a seperate video card OR if the motherboard has integrated video, then it would be better if that motherboard had sideport memory.

Do you use Athlon X2 or Phenom X3/X4?

I have an X2.

ANYWAY, OTHER PEOPLE ARE HAVING SIMILAR TYPE OF PROBLEMS THAT I MENTIONED!

http://forums.amd.com/game/mes...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

And it's on the AMD forum, no less. Well, I'm fed up with this crap and if AMD does not come up with a driver to solve the problem, I will sell my motherboard and perhaps go Intel the next time. I've had it. This motherboard gives you too much work for nothing. I feel I've been victimized by buying a motherboard and it's not right. This is just plain wrong and perhaps explains the fact that they came out with the 790 chipset very quickly. I almost have the impression they knew they had a problem and it seems like they won't acknowledge it in the first place according to the thread I just linked up there.

 

[taltamir]

meh... its an XP only problem, potentially related to non english versions....
nvidia doesn't even support windows XP anymore. and they shouldn't, its from 2002 for science's sake. 6 years is way too long for an OS.

 

[deruberhanyok]

From that thread it sounds like the 2D desktop acceleration isn't kicking in for some reason. I don't know about what could be causing it because, as I've said, I'm not having the problem. I use Windows XP. I don't have this problem. Conspiracy theories are fun, though.

I do generally agree with Taltamir in regards to the age of the OS. Now that I've had some first hand experience with Vista in a home environment I'm considering picking up another copy for my HTPC, although I'd still be using SageTV for media center stuff.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: taltamir
meh... its an XP only problem, potentially related to non english versions....
nvidia doesn't even support windows XP anymore. and they shouldn't, its from 2002 for science's sake. 6 years is way too long for an OS.

Some people said Vista or XP. It doesn't matter which OS.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: deruberhanyok
Conspiracy theories are fun, though.

Are you trying to say the numerous people who contributed to that thread are imagining a problem? I don't agree with that. I also read on AVSforum once that there were lots of issues with the 780G chipset. I just didn't know what was behind that comment at the time.

 

[deruberhanyok]

Not at all. I'm saying that "this must be why 790 was released so soon after, because omg they knew and won't fix it!!!111one" type of drivel is fun to read.

It's also sensationalist and stereotypical "conspiracy theory" type posting. Some people are having this issue. If it was actually a widespread chipset problem ("all 780g boards") you can bet that any number of tech websites would be reporting on it... unless of course you'd rather question the integrity of dozens, perhaps hundreds of trusted tech websites based on your assumption.

It's unfortunate that some people are having the problem. It's funny that you feel you have been personally insulted by AMD. It is hilarious that you say you're willing to sell your motherboard, admitting that you have a product which you believe is defective; that you would happily pass it on to another person while taking their money.

I'm curious as to whether those experiencing the problem also have the issue in say, Ubuntu 8.04 with the linux Catalyst 8.9 driver installed. Why don't you test that?

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: deruberhanyok
Not at all. I'm saying that "this must be why 790 was released so soon after, because omg they knew and won't fix it!!!111one" type of drivel is fun to read.

It's also sensationalist and stereotypical "conspiracy theory" type posting. Some people are having this issue. If it was actually a widespread chipset problem ("all 780g boards") you can bet that any number of tech websites would be reporting on it... unless of course you'd rather question the integrity of dozens, perhaps hundreds of trusted tech websites based on your assumption.

It's unfortunate that some people are having the problem. It's funny that you feel you have been personally insulted by AMD. It is hilarious that you say you're willing to sell your motherboard, admitting that you have a product which you believe is defective; that you would happily pass it on to another person while taking their money.

I'm curious as to whether those experiencing the problem also have the issue in say, Ubuntu 8.04 with the linux Catalyst 8.9 driver installed. Why don't you test that?

I never said it was completely defective. I can play 1080p videos and play UT3. I would post the results of some of my tests on ebay if I did sell it.

It may sound like a conspiracy theory that they came out with the 790 chipset but it's not a technoligical change, merely like an overclocked 780. Second, it came out so quick, that there are few drivers that exist already for the 780 anyway. Whether my THOUGHTS about it make sense or not (and I don't care because they were off-the-cuff comments), the issues for some boards still remain.

I never said AMD insulted me. It just feels insulting as a customer to buy something defective.

The idea of saying AMD insulted me is funny enough for a Youtube video but it wasn't totally the case.

 

[taltamir]

because of how cheap the 780G is, most mobo makes used cheap power circuitry with it meaning they EXPLODE if you use 95watt or 125watt or above CPUs in them (depending on the exact model, top end X2 and phenoms take that much power).

The 790GX is not much in terms of new tech, but it does require that they support higher power CPUs. It is mainly done for AMD to solve a problem brought about by mobo makers cutting corners. Not to hide a bug where 2d acceleration does not work for some rare individuals as you suggested.

 

[coolpurplefan]

Originally posted by: taltamir
because of how cheap the 780G is, most mobo makes used cheap power circuitry with it meaning they EXPLODE if you use 95watt or 125watt or above CPUs in them (depending on the exact model, top end X2 and phenoms take that much power).

The 790GX is not much in terms of new tech, but it does require that they support higher power CPUs. It is mainly done for AMD to solve a problem brought about by mobo makers cutting corners. Not to hide a bug where 2d acceleration does not work for some rare individuals as you suggested.

I think you looked at old reviews and still assume some things to be correct. The Asus motherboard I bought had a huge sticker saying 140watt right on the CPU slot. Given the fact that I tried...

HD3200 (on-board) and had some lag on images during UT2004 installation
HD4670 almost no lag on images during UT2004 installation
X1650XT no lag on images during UT2004 installation

The same is applicable to 1080p movies. So, I could always use this motherboard later on for stictly 1080p video with an old video card. In my case, I'll wait several months to see if AMD does come up with a driver solution for it.

 

[taltamir]

do i need to highlight and bold the word MOST in the sentence I wrote?
I am well aware of there being exceptions, but the 790GX helps get rid of the speculation all together.

 

[coolpurplefan]

I just noticed the following: I used GPU-Z and my HD4670 core was at 165MHz while the memory was at 249.8MHz. At load, it was 750MHz for the core and 999MHz for the memory (actually, I think the memory speed is double that in reality). I wonder if that's the problem.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: taltamir
meh... its an XP only problem, potentially related to non english versions....
nvidia doesn't even support windows XP anymore. and they shouldn't, its from 2002 for science's sake. 6 years is way too long for an OS.

no its a real problem and its aproblem in english XP.


its happening on my foxconn 780G,. its better with the hardware acceleration slider ticked one to the left.