7900gt or x1800xt

[McArra]

I will show this one more time: http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=891&pageID=2097

 

[Exsomnis]

I know you can also overclock factory overclocked cards, what you don't seem to be understanding is that the 512MB 7800GTX is still better. The 7900GT is equal to a 7900GTX, and I find it sad that someone has to exaggerate so much just to feel better about the card.

 

[McArra]

Can't you read???????????? Look at the benches I posted! It is the same architecture and the same speed in both 7800GTX 512 and this XFX 7900GT, and they perform the same. 256mb more is worth nothing!

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: McArra
I will show this one more time: http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=891&pageID=2097

Yeah, I am still seeing the 7800GTX 512MB coming out on top even in your benchmarks. I'd also like to see the GTX512MB XXX and 7900GT XXX benchmarked with additional user overclocks too.

I mean, it's not even worth the premium you're paying for the XXX, since the X1800XT will still do better and the GTX512 will do even better still.

Are you trying to make my point for me, or what? Because if not, I think you should seriously re-evaluate your evidence.

 

[McArra]

Ok, now I have confirmed it. You are a blind fanboy and can't even see evidence.

 

[Exsomnis]

I'd also like to question those benchmarks entirely. 5224 in 3D Mark 06? That's low, for both those cards. I've never seen "Bjorn3D.com", and now I know why.

 

[Exsomnis]

Originally posted by: McArra
Ok, now I have confirmed it. You are a blind fanboy and can't even see evidence.

I see a factory overclocked 7800GTX 512MB still outperforming a factory overclocked 7900GT, is that not what you are showing me? Are we looking at the same page?

Also, like I said... Those scores are low, for both cards. Check ORB.

 

[McArra]

Very low yes... :roll:

 

[McArra]

Oh, and they are using a single core, 3800+, that's the reason for the 4xxxmarks

 

[fierydemise]

If the newegg "iloveati" coupon code is still active (expires today I think) then you can get an X1900XT for $375 which will beat either the 7900GT or X1800XT. If you don't want to go that high then go with the X1800XT, its the same speed as the 7900GT and as you said $50 cheaper.

 

[McArra]

Originally posted by: fierydemise
If the newegg "iloveati" coupon code is still active (expires today I think) then you can get an X1900XT for $375 which will beat either the 7900GT or X1800XT

That's a superb offer!

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: McArra
Can't you read???????????? Look at the benches I posted! It is the same architecture and the same speed in both 7800GTX 512 and this XFX 7900GT, and they perform the same. 256mb more is worth nothing!

While your link looks like you're right stuff like : "I can't believe you are such stupid" makes you look like a jibbering idiot, right or not. To win the arguement all you need do is write down the scores and show that the 7900GT and 7800GTX (XXX XFX models) perform almost identically. Then quote Exsomnis's line : "Yeah, I am still seeing the 7800GTX 512MB coming out on top even in your benchmarks." Which i do not see on that site.

My vote is for the X1800XT if you cant' get an eVGA 7900GT, i'm going to void the warranty by swapping the heatsink out otherwise and it does hammer the 7900GT into the floor on oblivion.

 

[McArra]

Couldn't care less if I look like an idiot. I'm so frustrated with this guy

 

[josh6079]

Yeah, you must be tired. Dang almost this whole thread is between you two. Did you ever see that blind guy fighting a wooden post in "Robin Hood: Men in Tights". Kind of made me think of that.

Really, though. I remember seeing someones link explaining how an extra 256 MB did give better performance...a lot better. But I think it might have only really applied with Oblivion. Not sure though.

 

[McArra]

Yep, in some very extreme circustances it can make a difference in some games, but we are talking in very high resolutions with high AA and AF. In a year it will sure make a bigger difference, but we will have DX10 by then

 

[amheck]

Originally posted by: McArra

Originally posted by: fierydemise
If the newegg "iloveati" coupon code is still active (expires today I think) then you can get an X1900XT for $375 which will beat either the 7900GT or X1800XT

That's a superb offer!

The MSI 512meg 1800xt is down to like $240 after coupon and rebate. Pretty hot, I'd say.

 

[McArra]

Yep, very nice offer too!

 

[Topweasel]

Originally posted by: McArra
Couldn't care less if I look like an idiot. I'm so frustrated with this guy

You have to understand that Blind Reds can only think of nvidia based cards as the reference clocked ones and not the much more abundant OC cards. To a degree I wish they would stop using OC because it implies overclocking, but technically when you buy these cards you are buying them at that manufacturers rated speed, its like saying a FX60 is really just an OC'ed version of of the 4800+. The debate can go either way but a true FX60 has manufacturers backing like these OC cards. The same can not be said of this gentalmans 690MHz XT. I also wish that ATI would allow for factory OC cards (and not that BS presser from a couple weeks ago (we choose the speed you run crap)) then validity of OC branded cards can be set in stone.

At this speed memory bandwidth and Clockspeed make a bigger difference, and really the only game that really uses 512MB video cards are the ones based on the DM3 engine and not for performance reason, but to utilize uncompressed HQ textures.

So at the same Price 512 GTX is a better buy, but since that isn't happening any time soon, the a 79GT at 78GTX 512 speeds is a much better buy. The X19XT does look like a good deal though.

So McArra I commend you fighting Ignorance, although you would be better not being so rash about it. Hopefully the Biasness in this forum can be nutralized, so that people can actually recieve correct information.

 

[ForumMaster]

7900gt ftw. it's a newer generation card and will perfrom better.

 

[akugami]

Let's just say that with no physical mods and using only the included software, the X1800XT still comes out on top. Performance and feature wise. Now, each card has specific games it works better with. nVidia's stronghold being opengl type games. However, for the most part, it's not like each card performs terrible in games that the other will play. One has to remember that the wins and losses between the two cards are usually by a few frames. I mean, when you run the settings on high and one card only comes out on top by 2-3 frames...it's a win but at the same time it's not that significant. What makes the X1800XT a better buy at this time is the great deals that can be had for their cards at the moment. The price, and availability, makes ATI cards currently a much better buy.

 

[imported_Crusader]

While everyone argues about NV vs ATI..

Keep the card you have. If you make a jump, its only worth it to go to a top level card. I wouldnt bother going away to another one of those cards if I were you.
Trust me I know, I did it and have used all these cards extensively.

Though it would be worth going from your performance level to the creme de la creme, something I have also done. Get a 512MB card if you are going to bother swapping out.

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: Alaa

Originally posted by: gersson
quake wars and prey are OpenGL which is single handedly Nvidia's terrain. No contest there.

my vote goes to 7900gt

Yep, I will be uprgading for Quake Wars. While the 7900 and 1800xt are even in a lot of benchmarks, the 7900 should take a big lead with QW and Prey.

Newegg has the XFX @ 520mhz for $299 with a free copy of Tomb Raider
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150139

 

[Keysplayr]

Keep the card you have.

 

[thilanliyan]

Why did they use a Athlon 3800+ in the Bjorn3D test?? The top cards look CPU limited.

In the AnandTech FEAR benches, a stock 7900GT gets 32fps average at 1600x1200 and 4AA. In the BJorn3D test the XFX 7900 GT gets 42fps at 1600x1200 and 4AA.

Is it possible to get an extra 10fps with a slight overclock BUT a slower CPU???

And why is the 7900 GTX performing at the same level as the 7900GT in the BJorn3D tests??? Isn't the 7900GTX clocked much higher than the 7900GT?? That alone shows there's something weird about the tests.

 

[thilanliyan]

Oh and for the people telling him to keep his current card, he already said he has to give it back to his friend.