7900gt or x1800xt

[josh6079]

Dude, you can't even quote me right.

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Josh6079:

I just think that those who can't see ATI's implementation of SM3 as the right way


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umm.....you think? and the same people who "think" like you argued that SM3 wasn't needed in the x800 era.

That is a fragment of my sentence. How am I a fanATIc for owning one ATI card and three Nvidia cards in my whole life? I'm just really happy with my X1900XTX purchase, and your response wasn't exactly diverting your words from sounding like a troll. I give a good response and you mummble fanATIc and claim it was a personal attack?

Your messed up in the head.

That's a personal attack. Not:

I just think that those who can't see ATI's implementation of SM3 as the right way

that's a fragment of a quote that doesn't even make sense or help your pathetic arguments.

Your only reasoning for ATI not doing SM3 correctly is because of VTF? Is that it? Is that the whole reason you stay here and fumble words out of your mouth? VTF is a feature in SM3, and though it may not be as important for most nor common in popular games it is still a feature. However, HDR + AA is a more advantageous feature to provide when using SM3. To me, the VTF rage that your going on is just a checkbox feature, much like the less power consumption crap and the single slot cooling that very few really, really, truly care about.

All your doing is dragging on the argument by providing extremely bent information and raving on about features that you can't even do. So your friends have them, that's nice. But unless you are like most who are talking about them here, and play with them several hours a day, everyday, then you still really don't know what your talking about.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

still, adding those things while removing the ability to support other features can certainly be construed as "not doing it right"...

ok.. lets backup..

thats the whole point of this discussion. Not whether AA+HDR is more/less usefull than vtf etc etc.

we were discussing whether NV "did SM3 right"
and I just proved to you that ATI didn't do SM3 right either.

so if you gonna comment on NV didn't do SM3 correctly, then you should comment on both ATI and NV don't do it correctly. Else, you can comment on both do SM3 correctly.

unless you "Fanvor" one over the other....

well i guess that depends on what you consider "done right". if your definition means strictly to adhere to a specification regardless of it's benefits or usefulness, you might have a point.

most would consider "done right" as not simply adhering to a spec, but providing the end user with the best possbile compatibility, features and benefits.

while the "vertex texture fetch" is listed in the spec, if it provides little or no benefit, it's basically useless, and arguing about a useless feature (one which offers no benefit) is simply an excercise in futility and a complete waste of time/effort.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

still, adding those things while removing the ability to support other features can certainly be construed as "not doing it right"...

ok.. lets backup..

thats the whole point of this discussion. Not whether AA+HDR is more/less usefull than vtf etc etc.

we were discussing whether NV "did SM3 right"
and I just proved to you that ATI didn't do SM3 right either.

so if you gonna comment on NV didn't do SM3 correctly, then you should comment on both ATI and NV don't do it correctly. Else, you can comment on both do SM3 correctly.

unless you "Fanvor" one over the other....

well i guess that depends on what you consider "done right". if your definition means strictly to adhere to a specification regardless of it's benefits or usefulness, you might have a point.

most would consider "done right" as not simply adhering to a spec, but providing the end user with the best possbile compatibility, features and benefits.

while the "vertex texture fetch" is listed in the spec, if it provides little or no benefit, it's basically useless, and arguing about a useless feature (one which offers no benefit) is simply an excercise in futility and a complete waste of time/effort.

I completely agree.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: nguyen1025
HI, I know there are numerous threads about these two cards but none them seem to answer my specific situation. First off i game on a 17 inch crt @ 12x10 and don't care for AA/AF because i can't tell the difference. I don't play oblivion but i play alot of FPS and plan on playing quake wars/prey. I am overclockign either way I go but will NOT do the volt mod. The cheapest x1800xt for me can be had for $290 and $340 for a 7900gt, both after taxes. WHat would you guys suggest me to do, I want a card to last me till DX10. THanks

Ok guys, I am kinda getting tired of these flame wars. I think one thing we all can agree on is the point of this thread was meant to help the op find a card for his needs and budget.

Notice the part were the op (you know him, he's the one the attention is supposed to be on. Not some stupid SM3 bs) well he says he can't see the difference between AA/AF. Now if you believe him or not that is your own thing, but try to assume he can't.

Because he can't see AA/AF my recommendation would be the 7900gt.

1.If you take out the HDR+AA issue and the AF issue Nvidia have a strong card the completely complies with SM3

2. The 7900gt is plenty fast in everything OGL which is his main target games.

I would enjoy reading what you all have to say in regards to the ops question. However, I have a feeling the mind numbing flame wars will continue.

 

[CaiNaM]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: nguyen1025
HI, I know there are numerous threads about these two cards but none them seem to answer my specific situation. First off i game on a 17 inch crt @ 12x10 and don't care for AA/AF because i can't tell the difference. I don't play oblivion but i play alot of FPS and plan on playing quake wars/prey. I am overclockign either way I go but will NOT do the volt mod. The cheapest x1800xt for me can be had for $290 and $340 for a 7900gt, both after taxes. WHat would you guys suggest me to do, I want a card to last me till DX10. THanks

Ok guys, I am kinda getting tired of these flame wars. I think one thing we all can agree on is the point of this thread was meant to help the op find a card for his needs and budget.

Notice the part were the op (you know him, he's the one the attention is supposed to be on. Not some stupid SM3 bs) well he says he can't see the difference between AA/AF. Now if you believe him or not that is your own thing, but try to assume he can't.

Because he can't see AA/AF my recommendation would be the 7900gt.

1.If you take out the HDR+AA issue and the AF issue Nvidia have a strong card the completely complies with SM3

2. The 7900gt is plenty fast in everything OGL which is his main target games.

I would enjoy reading what you all have to say in regards to the ops question. However, I have a feeling the mind numbing flame wars will continue.

then in that case, assuming he could see the difference in his pocketbook, i'd recommend a true midrange card, pocket the savings and run everything at 1024x768 with aa/af off (since aa/af gives him no benefit)

 

[redbox]

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then in that case, assuming he could see the difference in his pocketbook, i'd recommend a true midrange card, pocket the savings and run everything at 1024x768 with aa/af off (since aa/af gives him no benefit)[/quote]

Ya that would be a good idea, I was talking to josh6079 and he informed me that back a little ways the op picked a card: the 1800xt. Good for him, that is a good card. I still don't know why this thread is so long. Come on guys try to let a thread like this die if the op has found out what they want to know.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: CaiNaM

still, adding those things while removing the ability to support other features can certainly be construed as "not doing it right"...

ok.. lets backup..

thats the whole point of this discussion. Not whether AA+HDR is more/less usefull than vtf etc etc.

we were discussing whether NV "did SM3 right"
and I just proved to you that ATI didn't do SM3 right either.

so if you gonna comment on NV didn't do SM3 correctly, then you should comment on both ATI and NV don't do it correctly. Else, you can comment on both do SM3 correctly.

unless you "Fanvor" one over the other....

well i guess that depends on what you consider "done right". if your definition means strictly to adhere to a specification regardless of it's benefits or usefulness, you might have a point.

most would consider "done right" as not simply adhering to a spec, but providing the end user with the best possbile compatibility, features and benefits.

while the "vertex texture fetch" is listed in the spec, if it provides little or no benefit, it's basically useless, and arguing about a useless feature (one which offers no benefit) is simply an excercise in futility and a complete waste of time/effort.

CaiNaM, Please go back and read the comments between me and Josh..

I said: NV did SM3 correctly, but ATI added HDR-AA to nicely compliment SM3
Josh disagreed: NV didn't do SM3 right because no HDR-AA. The only correct way is ATI's way, and we should all bow before ATI 1900 etc etc.

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: beggerking

Originally posted by: josh6079
HDR + AA= SM3 done right.

NO. Not according to the specification.

its nice to have that ability, but its not "required" at all.

here we go.

 

[Ackmed]

Just give it up. ATi took it a step further, with actual results, unlike NV. caniam makes several good points. HDR+AA is going above and beyond the specs, in a very good way. Thats "done right" to me. VTF has had no impact whatsoever so far, and is not a requirement anways.

The simple facts are, the XT is cheaper, can have 512MB ram, has better IQ, and is generally faster. The GT has several positive things too, such as lower power consumption, single slot, and better linux driver. People need to decide which things are more important. Most people think the XT is the better card, no matter what kinda of misinformation you and others spew.

This topic has run its course for me, its going nowhere now, and SiN is about out...

 

[beggerking]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Just give it up. ATi took it a step further, with actual results, unlike NV. caniam makes several good points. HDR+AA is going above and beyond the specs, in a very good way. Thats "done right" to me. VTF has had no impact whatsoever so far, and is not a requirement anways.

so HDR+AA compliments SM3.0 nicely as I have stated before.

The simple facts are, the XT is cheaper, can have 512MB ram, has better IQ, and is generally faster. The GT has several positive things too, such as lower power consumption, single slot, and better linux driver. People need to decide which things are more important. Most people think the XT is the better card, no matter what kinda of misinformation you and others spew.

This topic has run its course for me, its going nowhere now, and SiN is about out...

Exactly what kind of misinformation did I suggest? I suggested both ATI and NV confirmed to SM3.0 spec...
as always you 'll not answer this question directly or you will resort to personal attack.. Correct?

"Done right" to you because you are utterly biased, as usual.
and I do agree XT is faster compare to gtx, but bang for buck I'd still prefer 7900GT/1800xt.

 

[josh6079]

Okay I'm done here.

beggerking, you believe what you want even though you're not convincing.....anyone here (that's a hint)

Yes, hats off for Nvidia doing it first. To me they seem like Sega here, being the first to do something cool, then other companies do the same things only better and make the original trend-breaker seem not so cool. Still, to me it's: Nvidia---SM= "Done"........ATI---SM3= "Done Right". I guess you just see HDR + AA as a compliment and the rest of us see it as a completely different form of SM3.

Sorry if I've offended you in some of my earlier comments, but sometimes you would distort information to help your arguments, and when you didn't even quote one of my statements correctly I was just frustrated in how you weren't getting what I was saying.