7950 Dying/Dead - Need Replacement

roninmedia

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I purchased the MSI Radeon HD 7950 Twin Frozr 3GD5/OC a few years ago. It has recently acted up on me, I get random black screens in League of Legends, Skyrim and StarCraft II when everything else on my system is still running; I still get game audio. I ran GPU-Z for temperature logs to when it happens and it ranges from 52 to 67 degree celsius when it happens (ambient temp is 27).

I played a game of League of Legends just fine using the Intel HD3000 GPU and also on an old GTX 460. The 7950 gave me vertical stripes within 2 minutes of a League of Legends game launching and it was on medium settings with a 7950 at 1080p!

I'm merely looking for an equivalent replacement or so because I haven't purchased a more demanding game (bought it to improve my Skyrim experience) since the time I bought the GPU. Don't anticipate buying a monster graphic beast until Elder Scroll 6 (No interest in FPS or Fallout 4). I really think by that time though, I'd just build a entirely new system though.


Currently running 1080p, may upgrade to 1440p but I asked around and it seems the 7950 would have been able to handle it. The rest of my system is

Processor: Intel Core i5-2500K
Motherboard: ASUS Maximus IV Gene-Z
RAM: 2 x 4GB G.SKILL Sniper Low Voltage
PSU: Seasonic X750

Case has 290mm in GPU length.

Looking for about the $230 range or lower.
 
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riversend

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What is your budget? Or is your budget unlimited and you just want a decent card that will hold for a couple more years? Tying your next GPU buy to a game that is a complete unknown makes it tough to know what your horizon is.

Upgrading to 1440p, in my opinion, is a significant display upgrade and will increase GPU cost down the road if you have to keep settings cranked up.
 

roninmedia

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Looking for about the $230 range or lower. As for time range on Elder Scrolls 6, I'd anticipate I will just build an entirely new system when it does release (Anticipating 2017/2018). My typical GPU cycle is about 3 years.

The 1440p display upgrade is actually meant for greater work-related productivity and if the game requires lowering eye candy, so be it. Outside Skyrim, none of my other gaming activities should struggle at all at 1440p.
 
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Techhog

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Looking for about the $230 range or lower. As for time range on Elder Scrolls 6, I'd anticipate I will just build an entirely new system when it does release (Anticipating 2017 or so). My typical GPU cycle is about 3 to 4 years.

The 1440p display upgrade is actually meant for greater work-related productivity and if the game requires lowering eye candy, so be it. Outside Skyrim, none of my other activities should struggle at all at 1440p.

You're not going to be able to find much of an upgrade, then. Your best bet is a used R9 290.
 

Piroko

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Well, a sidegrade (a little bit faster) would be the 380 4GB or a 960 4GB. You can find plenty of them in your price range. The 290 is quite a bit faster, needs more power and most of them will be a tight fit in your case. But they are quite cheap for what you get.
 

Leyawiin

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If Skyrim is still your game of choice get a GTX 960 4GB. It will absolutely give you a smoother gaming experience in certain areas than an R9 290 or R9 380. AMD cards have a certain vertical sync related judder in forts, caves and other dungeon environments (it happens in narrow passages that are torch lit. I love that game and have played it over the years on a GTX 670, GTX 780, GTX 960, HD 7850, HD 7950 and R9 290. I know of what I speak with that problem. As far as Elder Scrolls VI, you're going to be waiting a long, long time. Your current hardware will probably obsolete by the time Bethesda runs its course with Fallout 4.
 

tential

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If Skyrim is still your game of choice get a GTX 960 4GB. It will absolutely give you a smoother gaming experience in certain areas than an R9 290 or R9 380. AMD cards have a certain vertical sync related judder in forts, caves and other dungeon environments (it happens in narrow passages that are torch lit. I love that game and have played it over the years on a GTX 670, GTX 780, GTX 960, HD 7850, HD 7950 and R9 290. I know of what I speak with that problem. As far as Elder Scrolls VI, you're going to be waiting a long, long time. Your current hardware will probably obsolete by the time Bethesda runs its course with Fallout 4.

Source/verification of someone other than yourself.
 

Leyawiin

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Source/verification of someone other than yourself.

Google. Your fingers aren't broken. Its pretty well documented by anecdotal comments all over the internet for the past four years. If you have the game and an AMD card an easy test is to go to Anise's Cabin near Riverwood. Go into the basement and activate the Arcane Enchanter. If you have an AMD card your character will not bend down to use it smoothly unless you are using a third party FPS limiter set to 60 FPS to prevent the overshoot that causes the judder. Nvidia cards don't have this issue (and I've tested it on four different PCs, numerous GPUs and three different monitors). Again, its not just my word - there are numerous comments regarding it on various forums.
 
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Techhog

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PowerColor R9 290 for $240 @ Newegg at just $10 over your budget is the card I would pick:
http://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=14-131-569

10.5" length = 267mm

50%+ faster than an R9 380/GTX960.

No, that's $30 over his budget, with a $20 rebate.

I find it interesting/weird how so many people here see the word "budget" and assume that the maximum is just some arbitrary number they came up with and not a limit on how much the can/are willing to spend.
 

RussianSensation

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No, that's $30 over his budget, with a $20 rebate.

It's $240 after rebate and PowerColor is very good with rebates, meaning $10 over his budget. You made it seem as if the rebate doesn't count. The card also comes with Dirt Rally, surely one can sell that game for $5?

I find it interesting/weird how so many people here see the word "budget" and assume that the maximum is just some arbitrary number they came up with and not a limit on how much the can/are willing to spend.

I find it more disturbing how an arbitrarily made up budget number overrides financial theory & economic theories, which looks at total return on investment and the total cost of ownership. In fact, any accountant, financial professional or economist worth his salt will stress that setting up a flexible budget (or a budget that allows for variance) can help long-term to keep your spending on track over time and actually improve cash flow. That's the difference between a strict arbitrary budget and a well thought out good budget. In practice what this means is if you buy a $200 graphics card that's 50% worse in performance than a $240 card, long-term it actually hurts you more:

1) You'll find yourself reducing settings much sooner;
2) If you desire better performance in future games, you'll end up shelling out yet another $150-200 for a next generation GPU just to get to where the $240 GPU is today;
3) You don't get to enjoy 50% higher performance (which can either be viewed in FPS terms of higher IQ settings) throughout the ownership period of the barely cheaper but 50% slower card.

For these reasons cards like R9 380 4GB and GTX960 4GB at $199 make no sense when R9 290 is $240 because they deliver inferior performance and end up costing more long-term.

Did you also miss the part where the OP stated that he may move to a 1440P display and doesn't anticipate upgrading until 2017/2018? That means should he ever desire to buy any new other games, 290 will crush 380/960 and furthermore, the 290 is the safest choice around his budget for DX12 support since it has 8 ACE engines. Finally, it's the ONLY GPU around his budget that has the greatest chance of actually lasting until 2017-2018 without choking.

A reference 290 (that thermal throttles) is 47% faster than a 960 4GB, and 34% faster than an aftermarket 380 4GB at 1080P:



This lead grows to a whopping 52% against 960 4GB and 37% against an after-market 380 4GB at 1440P (OP mentioned he is considering moving to that monitor resolution):



Google. Your fingers aren't broken. Its pretty well documented by anecdotal comments all over the internet for the past four years. If you have the game and an AMD card an easy test is to go to Anise's Cabin near Riverwood. Go into the basement and activate the Arcane Enchanter. If you have an AMD card your character will not bend down to use it smoothly unless you are using a third party FPS limiter set to 60 FPS to prevent the overshoot that causes the judder. Nvidia cards don't have this issue (and I've tested it on four different PCs, numerous GPUs and three different monitors). Again, its not just my word - there are numerous comments regarding it on various forums.

Not disagreeing with you but it ignores all the other gameplay data in Skyrim, doesn't it? It's easy to find some spots where any GPU might struggle but what about the overall experience?

While your point that in some areas AMD cards might have below 60 fps dips can be true as the game is massive, it is extremely hard to believe you that the overall experience on a 960 will be better than on a 290. Even taking the plain game and applying the high rez texture pack shows the 290 crushing the 680 (similar to a 960):

2560x1600 8AA
290 = 100 fps average / 80 min (+31%)
7970Ghz = 78 fps average / 68 fps min
680 = 78 fps average / 61 min
www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2013/11/05/amd-radeon-r9-290-review/7

I presume anyone serious about playing Skyrim will be using mods and that's where AMD cards in the OP's price range will perform even better.

With ENB mods, GTX680 can barely keep up an HD7950 V2, and gets destroyed completely by an HD7970Ghz. So how is a GPU 50% more powerful (R9 290 vs. 960) than a GTX960 going to worse in Skyrim at 1080P with 8XAA/SSAA or at 1440P?

Skyrim ENB:
HD7970Ghz is 21% faster than 680 at 1080P 8xAA
HD7970Ghz is 20% faster than 680 at 1080P 4xSSAA
HD7970Ghz is 28% faster than 680 at 1440P
http://www.computerbase.de/2012-09/test-nvidia-geforce-gtx-660/23/

^ This data makes it extremely difficult to believe that a GTX960 4GB would provide a "superior" gaming experience over R9 280X/290/290X in Skyrim at 1080P with high AA or 1440P.

The higher the resolution, the more R9 290 will crush a 960. It seems you are ignoring how for the majority of the time the R9 290 will probably be posting 50%+ higher FPS averages against a 960 (or alternatively, one could pile on more mods or increase AA/VSR levels above what the 960's GPU can manage). I don't understand your point at all because dips below 60 fps isn't some end of the world but what about general averages, levels of mods/MSAA/AA settings and overall minimums throughout the rest of the game?

Tom's has R9 290 in the 90-130 fps range in the same scene where GTX770 is only 70-90 fps range, and 780 is in the 85-115 range. That means R9 290 beat both the 770 and the 780 at 2560x1440 in frame times:



I think you singling out specific areas in Skyrim to show sub-60 fps dips is providing a one-sided point of view of the entire Skyrim gaming experience.

Using your own argument, then is a 750Ti/960 better for Skyrim than a 290X/Fury X? Seriously?

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As an aside, League of Legends is > 100 fps at 4K on anything above R9 380/960:
http://www.computerbase.de/2015-07/grafikkarten-benchmarks-cs-go-dota-2-lol-wot-wow-ultra-hd/3/

Also, if we look at Diablo 3, Dota 2, Heroes of the Storm (R9 390X -- closest to an after-market 290) wipes the floor with a GTX960 at 4K which means a 290 should do very well in SC2 at 1440P with high AA settings. 960 can't even beat a 380 4GB in fact:

http://www.computerbase.de/2015-07/...wow-ultra-hd/2/#abschnitt_heroes_of_the_storm

If the goal is to replace HD7950 with similar performance, then another good option would be to buy a used $100-120 HD7970/280X. $200 960 4GB or $200 380 4GB are not great buys imho.
 

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I recommended GTX 960 to a friend of mine running a core i5.
Everything seems to run fine for him, so I would suggest it to you also.
 

RussianSensation

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I recommended GTX 960 to a friend of mine running a core i5.
Everything seems to run fine for him, so I would suggest it to you also.

Why? It's a very poor product for the price. 2GB version is playing Russian roulette with games while the 4GB version is $200 --> Slow + overpriced. The 960 makes no sense for someone with a good quality 500W PSU or higher, as long as after-market 290s are selling for $230-240. The main selling point for the 960 is its HDMI 2.0 and 4K HEVC decoding for an HTCP. For gaming, its value is horrendous. Recommending 960 in an era of $230 R9 290s is akin to recommending HD7770 over GTX560Ti/HD6950. No one on AT would have ever recommended an HD7770 over GTX560Ti/6950 if the price difference was only $30-40.
 
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Donanza

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Well depends on the price point.
He lives in UK and the prices were a little bit different.
But he clearly stated he just wanted to do gaming without going outside of his budget.
 

RussianSensation

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Well depends on the price point.
He lives in UK and the prices were a little bit different.

Oh ok, make sense but remember the OP is in the US so it's $200 960 4GB vs. $230 R9 290. The latter is 50% faster in games on average/has a lot more GPU horsepower to crank up super-sampling or other AA modes.
 

Seba

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R9 290 is the same 50% faster than GTX 960 2GB. Which can be bought in US for $160 after rebate.


GTX 960 4GB is a bad choice at current price premium for those extra 2GB.

GTX 960 2GB can manage any current game at 1920x1080, at reasonable settings (no need to put everything at minimum).
 

RussianSensation

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GTX 960 2GB can manage any current game at 1920x1080, at reasonable settings (no need to put everything at minimum).

Look at the OP:

...(bought it to improve my Skyrim experience) ...
Currently running 1080p, may upgrade to 1440p

1. Skyrim with ENB mods -> 2GB horrible experience

High resolution textures packs & mods will wipe the floor with the 960 2GB.



Also, there are plenty of games like Batman AK, Watch Dogs, AC Unity, Titanfall, Dead Rising 3, Shadow of Mordor, Wolfenstein NWO that already show major issues running a card with 2GB of VRAM at 1080P or simply disable higher textures.

Can't even turn on high resolution textures at 1080P in Batman AK:



2. 1440P on a 960 -> horrible experience (esp. the 2GB version).

As modern games get more demanding, 960 2GB will bomb even more (Or any 2GB card):





How many games need to come out before 2GB of VRAM isn't enough, 100, 200 games?

Since 290 is already 50%+ faster than a 960, once more games use > 2GB of VRAM, R9 290 will become 75-100% faster than the 960 2GB. It's already happening as I provided a few examples.
 

Seba

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I was talking about 1920x1080. In one benchmark that you posted, it looks that you need two GTX 980 Ti (SLI) and an i7 5960X and so on, just to keep the framerate above 60 fps. Nice. That PC is not at the price point of the GTX 960 2GB buyer.

You know that you do not have to install HD textures packs and game mods and push all the game graphics settins sliders to "Ultra", right?
 

MeldarthX

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If He's in the UK; *which I'm not sure as he said $230 dollars and not £230 pounds*

Best pick is what RS has put; 2 gb 960 is not worth the price as the ram is very much limiting factor and the fact he's thinking about moving to 1440p monitor just means he'll end up having to spend more money sooner than later.

4 gb 960 again not worth the money compared to 380 4gb; its certainly not worth it again 290 with is normally 50% faster than 960.

If he is in the UK and his price range is £230 pounds......then my suggestion would be either

Powercolor PCS+ 380 4gb for £133.40
http://www.ebuyer.com/714696-powerc...vi-d-hdmi-pci-e-graphics-axr9-380-4gbd5-ppdhe

or MSI 390 8gb Gaming for 227.95
http://www.ebuyer.com/714726-msi-ra...dvi-d-hdmi-displayport-pci-e-r9-390-gaming-8g

390 will be fastest even faster than 290.......and will handle everything specially at 1440p

If op isn't going to 1440p then 380 priced you can't beat and everyone's coming back how much they are a beast at 1080p. At that price 960 can't even come close.
 
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Seba

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When I follow your links I get higher prices: 160 GBP for the R9 380 4GB (instead of your 133 GBP) and 274 GBP for R9 390 (instead of your 228 GBP).
 

MeldarthX

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When I follow your links I get higher prices: 160 GBP for the R9 380 4GB (instead of your 133 GBP) and 274 GBP for R9 390 (instead of your 228 GBP).

Hrmmm.......doh that's without vat as I was at the business side sorry about that.....

Here's the search I used.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/parts/video-card/#c=310,311&r=8192,4096&sort=a8&page=1

160 for 380 *which is the same price ave for 960 4gb....and

239 for 390 PCS+ Polorcolor...... did the search at work; forgot depending on where I search vat won't show as I don't pay it at work ......
 
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