7950 instead of 670.

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Muyoso

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Stock that Galaxy 670 should be nearing 1200mhz core, just like my MSI 670 PE. That puts it fairly far ahead of a 7950 w/boost. If you got a good 7950 you could absolutely overclock and beat the 670, but that is luck of the draw.
 

3DVagabond

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Considering the Galaxy is only spec'd to do 1085, that means getting 1200 is just as much luck of the draw.
 

Muyoso

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Considering the Galaxy is only spec'd to do 1085, that means getting 1200 is just as much luck of the draw.

The MSI gtx 670 pe oc is only specced to do like 1088 and go look at the reviews on newegg. The lowest stock boost clock at load is 1189 and it ranges up from there to like 1240mhz. Also if you read various reviews of the card, I don't think there was one where the clock was below 1189.
 

wand3r3r

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The 670 PE was overvolted from the factory and there was a little fiasco about it.
 

Shmee

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ya that was the one I chose
 

Tweak155

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I have the MSI 670 and it works pretty good for the games I play. I still sometimes get "driver stopped responding" in WoW but after googling it doesn't appear to be limited to either brand, just adapting old code to accomodate newer DX.

That said I originally went in to buy a 7950 but MC was out of stock, so I scooped a 670 for $75 more. I regretted it at first, but after plugging it in and using it I stopped caring. I sold the bundled codes for about $68 after fees so really a $300 purchase for me. Would have been about $250 (after selling games) for the 7950 so I won't cry too much. But I still wonder how the 7950 would have performed... I play at 2560x1440 so the 3gb would have been nice, but I doubt the 7950 would get me a huge difference in quality where that becomes a factor.

I've been debating switching back to 1920x1200 as I don't think the increased resolution is "all that". But there is a clear performance difference between the two resolutions. A good example is SC2 cut scenes (not the pre-rendered ones)... I near double the performance switching resolutions.
 

Muyoso

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I have the MSI 670 and it works pretty good for the games I play. I still sometimes get "driver stopped responding" in WoW but after googling it doesn't appear to be limited to either brand, just adapting old code to accomodate newer DX.

That said I originally went in to buy a 7950 but MC was out of stock, so I scooped a 670 for $75 more. I regretted it at first, but after plugging it in and using it I stopped caring. I sold the bundled codes for about $68 after fees so really a $300 purchase for me. Would have been about $250 (after selling games) for the 7950 so I won't cry too much. But I still wonder how the 7950 would have performed... I play at 2560x1440 so the 3gb would have been nice, but I doubt the 7950 would get me a huge difference in quality where that becomes a factor.

I've been debating switching back to 1920x1200 as I don't think the increased resolution is "all that". But there is a clear performance difference between the two resolutions. A good example is SC2 cut scenes (not the pre-rendered ones)... I near double the performance switching resolutions.

I had the same issue. Run Afterburner and bump voltage up +10 or bump clocks down -10. Either way it makes it perfectly stable. Afterburner 2.2.3 is the version that allows overvolting, anything after that MSI had to remove the ability due to Nvidia throwing a hissy fit.
 

3DVagabond

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Looks like a nice card. I wonder if there are any High ASIC quality cards being made right now. Seems like a lot of the newer cards are lower ASIC quality with higher stock volts. They can still clock very high, just need more volts to do it.

Has anyone ever actually found a direct correlation between reported asic quality and any type of performance parameter? I know what GPUz says, higher asic = less voltage/lower overall O/C, lower asic = more voltage/higher overall O/C, but has anyone actually proven this?
 

ICDP

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Has anyone ever actually found a direct correlation between reported asic quality and any type of performance parameter? I know what GPUz says, higher asic = less voltage/lower overall O/C, lower asic = more voltage/higher overall O/C, but has anyone actually proven this?

I haven't and I have tested 6x 7970s, 3x 7950s and 4x GTX680s.

Example: 7950 with Asic of 70% gets 1230 OC, another 7950 with Asic of 89% gets 1180 stable OC. Or GTX 680 with 69% Asic gets 1306 core clock and another with 89% gets 1185.

To be honest I think build quality and cooling design has far more to do with it.
 

Xarick

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Thanks guys.. Im feeling like throwing in the towel. I'm probably just gonna send this back and hold out until summer or next year. I really wanted to go Nvidia, but it looks too much like the tides have turned and I would be sorry in the long run.
I will watch and see if AMD can really do a great job from here on out.
 

Mark Rejhon

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Another big consideration is the complete elimination of LCD motion blur via LightBoost.
It was originally designed for 3D glasses, but apparently benefits 2D motion blur.
LightBoost only easily works on nVidia products...

Regular 120Hz = only 50% less motion blur than 60 Hz LCD (only 2x less)
LightBoost 120Hz = whopping 92% less motion blur than 60 Hz LCD
(full order of magnitude; 12x less)
 
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Arkaign

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Thanks guys.. Im feeling like throwing in the towel. I'm probably just gonna send this back and hold out until summer or next year. I really wanted to go Nvidia, but it looks too much like the tides have turned and I would be sorry in the long run.
I will watch and see if AMD can really do a great job from here on out.

Eh, what?

You do realize you've just landed in a sea of nerds like us who quibble endlessly over microscopic percentages?

The differences between 7950/670, OC, no OC, etc, are absolutely miniscule in the big picture.

Both will let you enjoy any game on the market with the right settings, basically everything maxed at 1080p in most titles, and only *slightly* dialed back in a few games.

You already have the 670, enjoy it.

If you already had the 7950, I'd say the exact same thing. Mailing something in, waiting, hassling, etc, is enough of my time that I don't think $60 is worth it.
 

ICDP

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Eh, what?

You do realize you've just landed in a sea of nerds like us who quibble endlessly over microscopic percentages?

The differences between 7950/670, OC, no OC, etc, are absolutely miniscule in the big picture.

Both will let you enjoy any game on the market with the right settings, basically everything maxed at 1080p in most titles, and only *slightly* dialed back in a few games.

You already have the 670, enjoy it.

If you already had the 7950, I'd say the exact same thing. Mailing something in, waiting, hassling, etc, is enough of my time that I don't think $60 is worth it.

Exactly. An upgrade to a GTX670 (or HD 7950) is a massive increase over a HD 5850 that doesn't overclock well. Expect a 100% + performance increse, even more if you OC.

Just put the GTX670 in your PC and enjoy great performance now, not in one more year when your HD 5850 will be even more outdated.
 

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I love how people are talking about as low as 5fps more and the guy decides to not buy either card anymore.

You should put the 670 in your computer and enjoy it, its a nice fast card that will let you enjoy your games for years to come. The 700 series nvidia will be faster no doubt but people are not expecting a huge change from the 600 series. You can wait but they arent even announced yet so who knows how long you will be waiting for.
 

MeldarthX

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Yep - since you have the 670 in your hands - you're not worried about that little extra paid.......enjoy it.....

you can always play the what if; waiting game - if the 670 bugs you that much then send it back and wait or get the 7950 oc......

Either card is going to rock - one sometime a bit more than the other......but either one will have you gaming nicely
 

Xarick

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Thank, but looking at current games Nvidia will have to do something.. I suspect the will just launch a new line. Which means I will once again be left with hardware that isn't quite up to snuff (ala 5850 filtering). I don't wanna get stuck into this situation again.
 

r3awak3n

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what? Nvidia is doing just fine right now. Sure AMD has a faster top card the 7970 (lets not count the 690 or the titan and talk about cards that the middle class can afford) but we are talking about a few frames less, nothing that the 7970 can play that the gtx 680 cant, same goes for the 7950 and the 670.

Nvidia will be launching a new line, the 700 series probably sometime this year but dont expect it to be that much faster than the current line and you will have to pay premium prices. I think that right now its a good time to buy a card, there are great deals to be hard on both ATI and NVIDIA, you better believe that the 700 series will not be released at anything close to what you can get right now.

I got my 670 OC for $330 and sold the games that came with it for $50 so I technically got a 670 for $280 which is a steal (black friday of course).

I am not sure you want a new card ahha.
 

MeldarthX

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If you feel that way Xarick; send it back honestly there isn't going to be anything from Nvidia until 4th quarter maybe........AMD most likely Oct maybe a little sooner but we're not sure......

So - either wait until then or pick up which one you want.....now
 
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