7970 GHz edition incoming!

[OCGuy]

Technically it beats 7970 but 3% lead at 2560

Where did you pull that number? I cant post a review that goes against this.

It is rather simple, 680 is the top single-gpu card on the market.

 

[Lepton87]

Where did you pull that number? I cant post a review that goes against this.

10% faster at 1080p and 3% faster at 2560 without AA and 9% and 1% faster with AA.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...force-gtx-680/12/#abschnitt_leistung_mit_aaaf

It is rather simple, 680 is the top single-gpu card on the market.

its not that simple because 680 isn't the top single-gpu card on the market, MSI7970 lightning is. It's the top reference single-gpu on the market.

 

[OCGuy]

10% faster at 1080p and 3% faster at 2560 without AA and 9% and 1% faster with AA.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...force-gtx-680/12/#abschnitt_leistung_mit_aaaf



its not that simple because 680 isn't the top single-gpu card on the market, MSI7970 lightning is. It's the top reference single-gpu on the market.

From the hardocp review:

"We found out quickly that the GTX 680 could hold its own and sometimes dominate the Radeon HD 7970 at 2560x1600"



You'll get over it, i'm sure. We don't move the goalpoasts with OC'd cards. And believe me, adding 75mhz to the core doesnt make that card faster.

Maybe you can start your own review site and refute all the reviews proclaiming the 680 the top single gpu.

 

[cmdrdredd]

10% faster at 1080p and 3% faster at 2560 without AA and 9% and 1% faster with AA.

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/...force-gtx-680/12/#abschnitt_leistung_mit_aaaf



its not that simple because 680 isn't the top single-gpu card on the market, MSI7970 lightning is. It's the top reference single-gpu on the market.

Let me put it to you this way. Overclocked cards do not count. Period, the end.

 

[wlee15]

And the price is still $550 as of right now. Go AMD.

That's because there isn't any competition on the market(as of March 23 2012).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tx+680&x=0&y=0

From the hardocp review:

"We found out quickly that the GTX 680 could hold its own and sometimes dominate the Radeon HD 7970 at 2560x1600"



You'll get over it, i'm sure. We don't move the goalpoasts with OC'd cards. And believe me, adding 75mhz to the core doesnt make that card faster.

Maybe you can start your own review site and refute all the reviews proclaiming the 680 the top single gpu.

On average, the GeForce GTX 680 Radeon HD 7970 exceeds 5.6% of all our tests that offer a mix of different rendering techniques and type of antialiasings.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/857-22/recapitulatif-performances.html

So yeah a mere 75mhz boost in clocks would probably allow AMD to retake the lead at least according to hardware.fr test suite and GTX 680 review card.

 

[OCGuy]

That's because there isn't any competition on the market(as of March 23 2012).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...tx+680&x=0&y=0

Maybe someone would be dumb enough to still pay a premium for my card, and I can trade up to a 680. Hmm...

 

[Lepton87]

Let me put it to you this way. Overclocked cards do not count. Period, the end.

Why? If you can buy them they DO count. PERIOD.

You'll get over it, i'm sure. We don't move the goalpoasts with OC'd cards. And believe me, adding 75mhz to the core doesnt make that card faster."

it's not 75mhz it's 145mhz an increase of 15%.

 

[Grooveriding]

Maybe someone would be dumb enough to still pay a premium for my card, and I can trade up to a 680. Hmm...

Plenty of GTX 680s on ebay! I would go for it!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=evga+gtx680&_sacat=0&_odkw=gtx++680+evga&_osacat=0&_from=R40

 

[cmdrdredd]

Why? If you can buy them they DO count. PERIOD.

No, it doesn't. You can overclock ANY card. Cherry picking one design that isn't reference design is not how it's done. I'm sorry, the 7970 is not the fastest card. Deal.

Hell you could probably put some card on something that cools better than water and bet a bench out of it at some clock speed no other card can do. That counts too? NO.

 

[Lepton87]

No, it doesn't. You can overclock ANY card. Cherry picking one design that isn't reference design is not how it's done. I'm sorry, the 7970 is not the fastest card. Deal.

Hell you could probably put some card on something that cools better than water and bet a bench out of it at some clock speed no other card can do. That counts too? NO.

Of course you can overclock any card but I'm talking about out of the box. Overclocking both cards doesn't do 680 any favor as you seem to imply. Depending on the luck of the draw OC 7970 can be faster than OC680. Saying that OC cards don't matter is just trying to make one company look better than the other. If you can buy them they do matter if you can't then they don't, it's as simple as that.

 

[wlee15]

Plenty of GTX 680s on ebay! I would go for it!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=evga+gtx680&_sacat=0&_odkw=gtx++680+evga&_osacat=0&_from=R40

Looks like 3 card have been sold at $600.

Free market at work.

 

[notty22]

Plenty of GTX 680s on ebay! I would go for it!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=evga+gtx680&_sacat=0&_odkw=gtx++680+evga&_osacat=0&_from=R40

Sadly I get the inkling the guys that work the dock at Newegg get to buy at newegg price and ship them with a 30 day warranty and a 15%+ bump to the ebay community. Plenty of 7970's from CA sellers when newegg had none on the first couple weekends after the 7970 launch.

 

[Grooveriding]

Looks like 3 card have been sold at $600.

Free market at work.

Gotta love the one guy there who bought 10x evgas from newegg for $5000 and is flipping them for $6500. Can't see those selling though. He should put them up as singles for $650.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Of course you can overclock any card but I'm talking about out of the box. Overclocking both cards doesn't do 680 any favor as you seem to imply. Depending on the luck of the draw OC 7970 can be faster than OC680. Saying that OC cards don't matter is just trying to make one company look better than the other. If you can buy them they do matter if you can't then they don't, it's as simple as that.

No, what YOU are doing is crying because the AMD card just isn't as good. It doesn't matter if some guy in Hong Kong sells a GTX480 at 3Ghz that beats everything. You can't count them. You can't...you have to compare the reference cards, as they come from Nvidia or AMD. That's the end of it.

Besides, the 7970 costs more, runs hotter, uses more power, and has worse off driver support. I know their drivers cause I run an AMD card, hate the drivers but it was a good deal for me at the time.

 

[Grooveriding]

Sadly I get the inkling the guys that work the dock at Newegg get to buy at newegg price and ship them with a 30 day warranty and a 15%+ bump to the ebay community. Plenty of 7970's from CA sellers when newegg had none on the first couple weekends after the 7970 launch.

I don't get it either. This guy is auctioning 10 for $6,500 and includes a screen cap of his order for 10 from newegg http://www.ebay.com/itm/10x-EVGA-GT...261?pt=PCC_Video_TV_Cards&hash=item1e6c8462d5

Maybe photoshopped ?

When I bought mine there was a max of 2 at checkout on every brand available.

 

[Lepton87]

No, what YOU are doing is crying because the AMD card just isn't as good. It doesn't matter if some guy in Hong Kong sells a GTX480 at 3Ghz that beats everything. You can't count them. You can't...you have to compare the reference cards, as they come from Nvidia or AMD. That's the end of it.

Your argument is as far from convincing as it could be. Can you explain to me how a card that you CAN buy doesn't matter. It's a product on the market yet it somehow doesn't matter? Your example is ridiculous as I specifically said if you actually CAN buy them.

Besides, the 7970 costs more, runs hotter, uses more power, and has worse off driver support.

yes it runs hotter and uses more power, so what? I won't go into driver quality as it is difficult to quantify. As for GTX680 being cheaper... It has lower MSRP but it's not universally cheaper. In my country I can buy 7970 for 10% less than GTX680 and that holds true for most of EU which is as big a market as US.

 

[skipsneeky2]

Not to sure why people keep comparing overclocked cards...i am the owner of a 7970 and even i can face the music that the gtx680 is the better overall card in performance,noise and thermals at stock clocks.

Is my world over?nope...don't know why its such a big deal really for so many people.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Your argument is as far from convincing as it could be. Can you explain to me how a card that you CAN buy doesn't matter. It's a product on the market yet it somehow doesn't matter? Your example is ridiculous as I specifically said if you actually CAN buy them.

Because it's one card...one card is not indicative of the line. When it's determined what card is faster than another it's always, and it's always been this way, compared at the stock configuration.

Not to sure why people keep comparing overclocked cards...i am the owner of a 7970 and even i can face the music that the gtx680 is the better overall card in performance,noise and thermals at stock clocks.

Is my world over?nope...don't know why its such a big deal really for so many people.

This is what I'm saying. Also a good thing to point out is that a good majority of all cards sold are reference designs and they are never overclocked. You can't mislead someone by saying "yeah that 7970 is better" and when someone buys it and compared to his friend's GTX 680 you get QQ

 

[Rvenger]

Looks like 3 card have been sold at $600.

Free market at work.

If you sell them for $600 you are about breaking even after all paypal fees and final transaction fees, plus shipping.


Paypal + final value fee = about 16% off your sale + shipping.

16% takes that videocard down to $504 plus your shipping costs. Wow Feebay is a rip off.

 

[Rvenger]

Not to sure why people keep comparing overclocked cards...i am the owner of a 7970 and even i can face the music that the gtx680 is the better overall card in performance,noise and thermals at stock clocks.

Is my world over?nope...don't know why its such a big deal really for so many people.

After all it did come out 4 months later too Its not like its marginally better either.

 

[Lepton87]

This is what I'm saying. Also a good thing to point out is that a good majority of all cards sold are reference designs and they are never overclocked. You can't mislead someone by saying "yeah that 7970 is better" and when someone buys it and compared to his friend's GTX 680 you get QQ

It's not misleading. if you said that MSI 7970 ligtning is better than GTX680 out of the box it would be true. But you can't compare cards already shipped at specific frequency to cards overclocked by the user because no overclock is guaranteed while it has to work out of the box.

For example there's this noob that asks you which single card is the very best. You say GTX680 and he buys it and then he sees MSI7970lightning in his friends computer and compare the numbers and finds out that it is faster than his card. And he would be right about bitching that you didn't recommend him the best card out there, wouldn't he?

Comparing OC cards has one caveat that they are only relevant as long as you can buy them. They are not as easily available as reference cards.

 

[blastingcap]

When both are oc'd and the 7970 is slightly overvolted (since the GTX 680 also automatically overvolts a bit via GPU Boost, which can't be turned off), the two cards are about on par with each other, except the 7970 draws more power. AT LOAD.

But load power doesn't matter as much as idle power, unless you spend a lot of time at load; most people spend more time at idle than load. So the GTX 680's power efficiency is exaggerated in real life, compared to the 7970. In fact, if you spend much more time idle than at load (e.g., you leave your computer on 24/7 and it's idling for the vast majority of that time), the GTX 680 may end up being LESS power efficient than the 7970. (14watts idle vs. 12 watts idle: http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_680_SLI/21.html )

The 7970 loses for more reasons than wattage, though: the 7970 has to rely on overclocks to match the performance of the GTX 680--overclocks which are not guaranteed. And in addition to the higher wattage, the 7970 dumps more heat into the room at load. And the 7970 has a smaller feature set. Other than the +1 GB VRAM, what else does the 7970 have to offer? It basically lost the single-GPU-Eyefinity monopoly, can't do PhysX/CUDA, and doesn't have Adaptive VSync. The kicker: it costs $50 more than the GTX 680.

DROP PRICES NOW AMD WE KNOW YOU CAN DO IT!

 

[Nintendesert]

It's not misleading. if you said that MSI 7970 ligtning is better than GTX680 out of the box it would be true. But you can't compare cards already shipped at specific frequency to cards overclocked by the user because no overclock is guaranteed while it has to work out of the box.

Maybe it is. But review sites don't care.


It's easy to understand, you compare apples to apples and not apples to oranges.

Nvidia and AMD release their GPUs on reference boards. Reviewers review these baseline boards and compare them. Those are apples.

The AIBs might release some tweaked card later, like the Lightning or the Super Clock etc. and we call those oranges. You can feel free to compare oranges to oranges if you like because these oranges are created and supported by the AIBs.

Nvidia and AMD only work with apples and review sites only like apples. So Nvidia right now has the fastest apple.

 

[Lepton87]

If they don't compare OC cards then they don't review the WHOLE market and should say as much. I know that they don't like those cards as they make things more difficult. Remember AMD fanboys uproar over that OC 460GTX FTW? It was ridiculous, it was relevant but only as long as it was actually available. They don't like reviewing those cards because their availability changes and it would only be a snapshot of the situation on the market at the time and useless some time down the road.

 

[cmdrdredd]

If they don't compare OC cards then they don't review the WHOLE market and should say as much.

Anandtech, HardOCP, Guru3D etc all review overclocked cards at times too. They compare those to the stock reference cards and give you an idea of how much faster it is. They don't ever go back and say "due to this card's overclock it makes card brand X the fastest". It doesn't happen.