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Jacky60

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Weirdly I'm not looking for advice on how to downgrade my gaming experience, it's not like I can't stand too much eye candy on screen. Thanks for the advice, noise doesn't really trouble me as I crank up my speakers and the two 6990's give me a good idea of what a pair of loud video cards sound like.
 

Headfoot

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If you're looking for max performance over max bang-for-buck then don't waste your money buying anything until the R9 290x is benchmarked. Having 2 very powerful GPUs over 4 less powerful ones might lose you a little bit of top end FPS and average FPS but you will get better minimums due to decreased CPU load and coordination overhead, and more consistent framerates because of the anti-stutter driver (AMD) or generally better stutter control (nVidia). Especially since you aren't running the newest CPU I'd try to keep it to 2 GPUs for scaling purposes. Further, 2 of the strongest gpu gives you the ability to still game decently in the first few days of a game where there are no Crossfire/SLI profiles out, or on games that suck at scaling. FYI: the Frame Pacing driver for AMD does not support Crossfire X at this point so I'd rather buy something that I know works rather than rely on promises that it will eventually work. And then you can add a third later if you really want to down the line if and when they do actually fix it (and a non-issue if you go with 780s)

I wouldn't go any less than 2x 780 or 2x R9 290x if that ends up being better/cheaper for same speed. The firesale prices will probably last until at least when the new cards come out. And if it does well, nVidia might drop pricing on the 780. Honestly if you still have money burning a hole in your pocket, you'd probably see better gains by getting the top 2 cards and getting watercooling for them to push their clocks as far as possible since the 780s OC well and the general anticipation is that the 290x will probably overclock decently too
 
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Deasnutz

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Do your research if you rely on specific games. Lot of time sli/crossfire doesn't scale well at all, regardless of a profile being released. It's pretty frustrating watching single gpu utilization at 99%, then sli utilization at ~50% per gpu.
 

RussianSensation

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Weirdly I'm not looking for advice on how to downgrade my gaming experience, it's not like I can't stand too much eye candy on screen. Thanks for the advice, noise doesn't really trouble me as I crank up my speakers and the two 6990's give me a good idea of what a pair of loud video cards sound like.

Jacky, I recall you are a big Arma player.

HD7990 is very close in performance to GTX780 SLI in this game at 1080P.



At 1600P, 780SLI starts pulling away.



If you are thinking 2xHD7990, I think your CPU will start to bottleneck them.
 

UaVaj

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He has two 6990's now, do you think he really notices the stutter if he's considering 7990's? I had two 5870's for a while and only one game did I notice stutter. That's not to say it doesn't exist, but not everyone notices it. OP?

you hit the nail on the head. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

the op (and you) will definitely be happy with 7990 and will save £60.
 

DownTheSky

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multi-display CrossFire setups work differently than single-monitor ones. We noted this fact way back in our six-way Eyefinity write-up: the card-to-card link over a CrossFire bridge can only transfer images up to to four megapixels in size. Thus, a CrossFire team connected to multiple displays must pass data from the secondary card to the primary card over PCI Express. The method of compositing frames for Eyefinity is simply different. That's presumably why AMD's current frame-pacing driver can't work its magic on anything beyond a single, four-megapixel monitor.

If that's the case does it mean 1x7990 will do 4k and Eyefinity just fine? Since it doesn't do crossfire over the crossfire bridge. This means 1x 7990 is the better option over 2x 7970 or 7950 if you're playing on a multi-monitor setup.
 
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Jacky60

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Jacky, I recall you are a big Arma player.

HD7990 is very close in performance to GTX780 SLI in this game at 1080P.

At 1600P, 780SLI starts pulling away.

If you are thinking 2xHD7990, I think your CPU will start to bottleneck them.

The new CPU will be 4770k at 4.6Ghz OR 4930K at 4.4Ghz Can't really decide.... and anxious to see 290x benches before I spend.
 
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Headfoot

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The new CPU will be 4770k at 4.6Ghz OR 4930K at 4.4Ghz Can't really decide.... and anxious to see 290x benches before I spend.

Yeah smart move. Check out that article that Ian put up recently on the frontpage, it looks like its not really optimal going over 2 GPUs unless you have at least 16x/8x/8x(/8x) for PCI-E lanes with PCI 3.0 and either Ivy-E or Haswell
 

Rvenger

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TigerDirect has the MSI 7990 for $569.99 AR and comes with the 8 games, I purchased one last night and selling off my 7970. I can't wait to try it out. I really think its the best deal going even though the price is still looming for the r9-r290x. Once these cards go discontinued they may increase in value a little bit since its basically 2x 280x GPUs on one board.
 

Jacky60

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i'm tempted to pick a couple of them up just for giggles. The only thing is I don't believe my AX1200 could handle two.

Please don't say your AX1200 couldn't handle them I only have 50W more! They're a steal at the moment if you can forgive all the frame pacing, stuttering, eyefinity, top card overheating problems. Buy em and I'll buy them from you when I get feedback.
 

DooKey

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Please don't say your AX1200 couldn't handle them I only have 50W more! They're a steal at the moment if you can forgive all the frame pacing, stuttering, eyefinity, top card overheating problems. Buy em and I'll buy them from you when I get feedback.

Placed a couple on order. I plan to do some distributed computing with them and game on the side. Plus I'm going to compare how well they perform compared to the CF 7970s I had at launch last year. Hopefully the stutter is really gone.
 

DooKey

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Placed a couple on order. I plan to do some distributed computing with them and game on the side. Plus I'm going to compare how well they perform compared to the CF 7970s I had at launch last year. Hopefully the stutter is really gone.

I'm sad. I'm going to have to refuse the delivery Wednesday because the cards are too long for my Raven case. Dang things are 12.6" long and my case can't handle them. I was looking forward to playing around with them. Guess I'll just go with a couple of 290x instead.
 

SolMiester

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Ahhh, I was thinking of Raven 3 sorry, I built one not too long ago and was very impressed....they are a great design!
 

DooKey

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Ahhh, I was thinking of Raven 3 sorry, I built one not too long ago and was very impressed....they are a great design!

Yep, I love the Raven. They are outstanding for CF/SLI setups. Anyway, didn't mean to go so OT.
 

Rvenger

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Dookey, They are only 12" long if you bought the reference 7990. The powercolor version is over 12"




Card Dimensions 12" x 3.94" x 1.5"
 
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tolis626

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I'm sad. I'm going to have to refuse the delivery Wednesday because the cards are too long for my Raven case. Dang things are 12.6" long and my case can't handle them. I was looking forward to playing around with them. Guess I'll just go with a couple of 290x instead.

Isn't there a removable HDD cage?I don't know about the Raven,but it's generally possible to accommodate larger GPUs that way in many cases.
 

DooKey

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The Raven rotates the motherboard 90 degrees so that the back of the board is at the top of the case. The video cards hang straight down and fans are mounted on the bottom of the case. It's great because heat rises and this way your cards aren't mounted one over the other and are instead side by side. Unfortunately the distance from the top to the fans on the bottom is only 12".
 

Face2Face

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The Raven rotates the motherboard 90 degrees so that the back of the board is at the top of the case. The video cards hang straight down and fans are mounted on the bottom of the case. It's great because heat rises and this way your cards aren't mounted one over the other and are instead side by side. Unfortunately the distance from the top to the fans on the bottom is only 12".

How thick are those 180MM fans on the bottom? 25mm or 32mm thick?
 
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