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hclarkjr

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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woohooo, just filled mine out on H&R block site and seen that i am getting $1934 back. can not efile till tomorrow but forms are ready to go.
 

MichaelD

Lifer
Jan 16, 2001
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Hey, now that you are remarried get back at the IRS:

1) Conceive child with new wife.
2) Make sure to conceive so that it's born late December.
3) Get full full exemption and child credit even though the kid has only been around for a few days.
4) PROFIT!


ROFL! :awe: You've got the right idea for sure. I'd love to finally claim umpteeump exemptions and get everything back from Dungeon Master Incredible Rearviolation Sexpain....unfortunately it didn't work out that way! He was born back in October...guess it was a cold winter. ^_^

Currently, I'm waiting for the little man's SSN. The best I can hope for is to claim him as an exemption...which is obviously legal. Don't get me started though on my other son, child support and me getting double-screwed by not being able to deduct child support NOR claim him. :thumbsdown:
 

kyzen

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Question:

My girlfriend and I closed on our first home in November. Can we each claim the $4,000 tax credit as if we were a married couple filing separately, or should only one of us claim the full $8000, or should we go about this in another manner entirely? We're both on the mortgage/title/etc.

Sub-Question: I've used Turbotax for the last 4-5 years of doing my taxes, will it cover my needs this year (splitting the homebuyers tax credit between 2 unmarried individuals), or should we look into getting our taxes professionally done, to avoid any potential problems?
 

CPA

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Question:

My girlfriend and I closed on our first home in November. Can we each claim the $4,000 tax credit as if we were a married couple filing separately, or should only one of us claim the full $8000, or should we go about this in another manner entirely? We're both on the mortgage/title/etc.

Sub-Question: I've used Turbotax for the last 4-5 years of doing my taxes, will it cover my needs this year (splitting the homebuyers tax credit between 2 unmarried individuals), or should we look into getting our taxes professionally done, to avoid any potential problems?

You can allocate it any way you see fit as long as you don't exceed any totals or limits. Turbotax should easily be able to handle this for you, though I don't use it personally.

On a side note, GET MARRIED. You are setting yourself up for a nightmare of problems if you two split. Sorry, getting off of high-horse now.
 

kyzen

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You can allocate it any way you see fit as long as you don't exceed any totals or limits. Turbotax should easily be able to handle this for you, though I don't use it personally.

On a side note, GET MARRIED. You are setting yourself up for a nightmare of problems if you two split. Sorry, getting off of high-horse now.

Thanks.

And yeah yeah, we know. we're planning to this year; we're just not into the traditional idea of marriage, so we've been thinking on how to do it 'our way'. I'll be buying her a piano in place of an engagement ring in the spring .
 

onza

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Sep 21, 2000
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If the donation is not much, you won't have worry too much about getting the receipt timely. It will only be needed in case of audit. Usually, IRS does not require you to provide Tax ID info for the charity you gave money to. You can also use your dated check as proof of giving.

Anything over 250bux (even cash) I would DEFINITELY keep/ask for paperwork. Get a letter from the company with the TAX YEARS year on the letter.

EG. You donate in 2008 for the amount of 300bux. The company never sends you a letter. You ask for a letter in 2009, and the company dates it for xx/xx/2009. The IRS will say sorry donation DOES NOT qualify. If the letter states xx/xx/2008 you are in the clear.

That's what I learned in my CPE - I can add specific court hearings if needed but I'd rather you be safe than sorry.
 

EagleKeeper

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1) I have not seen the any tax S/W yet this year. However, I would expect that it will take into account the HomeBuyer credit based on questions that will be asked during the "interview".

As Onza points out below; use of the credit may prevent eFiling

2) The 8K is per person, not to exceed the overall 10&#37; value of the property. An unmarried couple could split the value of the property by some proportion and allocate it for the credit purposes up to the individual limits.

This could mean that a property that is $120K for a couple would be worth no more than 8K credit.
For joint unmarried ownership; the value of the credit would be $12K

However, the below PDF indicates that the total credit for the propery itself can not exceed the 8K.

IRS FAQ

How the IRS would go about verifying that the property was sold "twice", I do not know.
But they have tried to cover the fact that it can not be.
 

onza

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1) I have not seen the any tax S/W yet this year. However, I would expect that it will take into account the HomeBuyer credit based on questions that will be asked during the "interview"

2) The 8K is per person, not to exceed the overall 10% value of the property. An unmarried couple could split the value of the property by some proportion and allocate it for the credit purposes up to the individual limits.

This could mean that a property that is $120K for a couple would be worth no more than 8K credit.
For joint unmarried ownership; the value of the credit would be $12K

However, the below PDF indicates that the total credit for the propery itself can not exceed the 8K.

IRS FAQ

How the IRS would go about verifying that the property was sold "twice", I do not know.
But they have tried to cover the fact that it can not be.

My guess is you have to attach the purchase agreement with the return. If you do buy a house they only accept paper files... so this may delay your refund in the long run.

I personally purchased a house in 2009. Filed an amended 2008 return and I got 8000 + 120ish in interest back around 7 weeks later. I had to file the 1040x + 5405 + attach my signed HUD statement along with it.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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As I understand it there is a $6,500 credit available for home buyers have owned and lived in a home for at least the last 5 years which we have, for the past 15. We just bought a new home in September.

Do we get a nice pat on the back because it didn't happen after November 6th? Thanks
 

onza

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As I understand it there is a $6,500 credit available for home buyers have owned and lived in a home for at least the last 5 years which we have, for the past 15. We just bought a new home in September.

Do we get a nice pat on the back because it didn't happen after November 6th? Thanks

Homebuyer Credit Expanded and Extended

The Worker, Homeownership and Business Assistance Act of 2009, signed into law on Nov. 6, 2009, extends and expands the first-time homebuyer credit allowed by previous Acts.

Under the new law, an eligible taxpayer must buy, or enter into a binding contract to buy, a principal residence on or before April 30, 2010 and close on the home by June 30, 2010. For qualifying purchases in 2010, taxpayers have the option of claiming the credit on either their 2009 or 2010 return.

Long time home owners:

But the new law also provides a “long-time resident” credit of up to $6,500 to others who do not qualify as “first-time homebuyers.” To qualify this way, a buyer must have owned and used the same home as a principal or primary residence for at least five consecutive years of the eight-year period ending on the date of purchase of a new home as a primary residence.

New requirements:

* Dependents are not eligible to claim the credit.
* No credit is available if the purchase price of a home is more than $800,000.
* A purchaser must be at least 18 years of age on the date of purchase.

Questions for you:

1. Was the purchase price less than 800,000?
2. a) If you purchased before Nov 6 = your agi must be $75,000, or $150,000 for joint filers. (phaseout occurs after that mark)
2. b) If you purchased after Nov 6. = your MAGI must be $125,000, or $225,000 for joint filers. (phaseout occurs after that mark)
3. You hit the 5 out of 8 years rule so you are good here.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f5405.pdf Here's the form you will need to fill out along with your return. Make sure you include your closing statement with a signature etc with the return. You will need to paper file this as that's how the govn. wants it. The form is not final because of the new 6,500 credit. So updates from the IRS will be made in the following days.

Source - http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=215791,00.html
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=204671,00.html
 

Aquila76

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I have a question regarding elected disability income. I made contributions to my company's disability plan after taxes. I received payment from the plan starting in October. Do I have to pay taxes on this again when filing? If it helps, I have received $5280 from the plan.
 

umbrella39

Lifer
Jun 11, 2004
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After peeking around the IRS site, exhausting, it appears that the "if purchased before November 7, 2009" only applies to the first-time home buyers and which year they want to claim the credit in and not the return/repeat home buyer.

I found this:

4. A long-time resident of the same home can now qualify for a reduced credit. You can qualify for the credit if you&#8217;ve lived in the same principal residence for any fve-consecutive year period during the eight-year period that ended on the date the new home is purchased and the settlement date is after November 6, 2009.

From this:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p4819.pdf

Thanks for taking the time to respond onza.
 

onza

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Sep 21, 2000
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After peeking around the IRS site, exhausting, it appears that the "if purchased before November 7, 2009" only applies to the first-time home buyers and which year they want to claim the credit in and not the return/repeat home buyer.

I found this:

4. A long-time resident of the same home can now qualify for a reduced credit. You can qualify for the credit if you’ve lived in the same principal residence for any fve-consecutive year period during the eight-year period that ended on the date the new home is purchased and the settlement date is after November 6, 2009.

From this:

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p4819.pdf

Thanks for taking the time to respond onza.

Found more info here http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=215827,00.html What a drag in your case Since you purchased in Sept 2009.
 

onza

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Sep 21, 2000
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I have a question regarding elected disability income. I made contributions to my company's disability plan after taxes. I received payment from the plan starting in October. Do I have to pay taxes on this again when filing? If it helps, I have received $5280 from the plan.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p525.pdf Page 17.

I'll comment on this later, I just found the paperwork for now. Off to lunch
 

Nugzalot

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Mar 8, 2002
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I have a question regarding gifts and related party transactions.

Was gifted an interest in a piece of real estate by my father some years ago. Ending up selling my half to my sister (she was gifted the other 50&#37. The payments from her to me were paid over 2 years (no set agreement just paid as could)

I probably in error had decided to defer recognizing income until this year when the final payment was made. Should I go back and resubmit prior year returns to include money received in the year received?

Also are there any rules regarding related party transfer that I could use to reduce my gain? I'm not even sure of what my gifted basis in the property. If it matters I sold my interest for appraised FMV.

Thanks!
 

EagleKeeper

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Oct 30, 2000
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I have a question regarding gifts and related party transactions.

Was gifted an interest in a piece of real estate by my father some years ago. Ending up selling my half to my sister (she was gifted the other 50%). The payments from her to me were paid over 2 years (no set agreement just paid as could)

I probably in error had decided to defer recognizing income until this year when the final payment was made. Should I go back and resubmit prior year returns to include money received in the year received?

Also are there any rules regarding related party transfer that I could use to reduce my gain? I'm not even sure of what my gifted basis in the property. If it matters I sold my interest for appraised FMV.

Thanks!
To determine the capital gains; you need to obtain the appraised value of the property when it was received. The local tax office should be able to have that information.

Check if splitting up the income over two years is better tax wise than having it this past year. If so; file an amended return regarding the capital gains.

A person can gift 10K+ / recipient / year without incurring a tax liability.
The recipient does not have to declare the gift as income.:sneaky:
 

hdeck

Lifer
Sep 26, 2002
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i'm confused. any help is appreciated. i'm doing an e-file with turbo tax since i did it last year and it worked fine. last year the "federal income withheld" amount was how much i got back. this year nothing changed, but the amount i'm getting back is less than 1/3 of that amount.

did something change with tax laws? they withheld 3 grand from me but of that they want to keep 2500. i don't understand
 

EagleKeeper

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Oct 30, 2000
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i'm confused. any help is appreciated. i'm doing an e-file with turbo tax since i did it last year and it worked fine. last year the "federal income withheld" amount was how much i got back. this year nothing changed, but the amount i'm getting back is less than 1/3 of that amount.

did something change with tax laws? they withheld 3 grand from me but of that they want to keep 2500. i don't understand
What was your income last year vs this year. That is the first question.
Second question is do you have anything special in your circumstances that could have effective the numbers.

You have not provided enough information to be able to determine any type of solid explanation.
 

hdeck

Lifer
Sep 26, 2002
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What was your income last year vs this year. That is the first question.
Second question is do you have anything special in your circumstances that could have effective the numbers.

You have not provided enough information to be able to determine any type of solid explanation.

last year it was roughly 25k and this year it's just under 30. no change in any of my circumstances other than i worked the entire year rather than ~2/3 of it.
 

EagleKeeper

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Oct 30, 2000
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Cross into a taxable bracket?

Look at the report that the tax S/W generates - it should identify the different changes from the previous year.

Also, make sure that you entered ALL data correctly
 

mb

Lifer
Jun 27, 2004
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Never mind. It's interesting.. I thought I was going to owe money, but turbo tax doesn't seem to calculate everything if you skip entering your SSN.
But of course, I owe the state money still.
 
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EagleKeeper

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Never mind. It's interesting.. I thought I was going to owe money, but turbo tax doesn't seem to calculate everything if you skip entering your SSN.
But of course, I owe the state money still.

Without entering key information; TT will not perform the proper calculations

For a dummy SS # use 987654321.
 

mb

Lifer
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Without entering key information; TT will not perform the proper calculations

For a dummy SS # use 987654321.
Yeah it's just odd that it will let you skip it without telling you what the consequences are. I just didn't feel like entering it yet because I won't be filing for a while.. I didn't have all my 1099s and was just making an estimate for the time being.
 

onza

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last year it was roughly 25k and this year it's just under 30. no change in any of my circumstances other than i worked the entire year rather than ~2/3 of it.

1. which tax software are you using?
2. Just a note - Making work pay credit of 400.00 is automatically caculated for the year. 400/12.
3. How old are you?
4. are you a dependent on someone else's return?
 
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