8.8 Earthquake hits Japan

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Perknose

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Some fun quake facts and probabilities:

Friday's earthquake off the eastern coast of Japan was upgraded to a magnitude 9.0 by the Japan Meteorological Agency, the Kyodo News agency reported Sunday.

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The quake probably shifted the position of Earth's axis about 6.5 inches, said Richard Gross, a geophysicist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in La Canada Flintridge, in an e-mail.

The temblor also should have caused Earth to rotate somewhat faster, shortening the length of the day by about 1.8 microseconds, he said.

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Already, just over 36 hours after the quake, data-crunchers had determined that the temblor's force moved parts of eastern Japan as much as 12 feet closer to North America, scientists said,and that Japan has shifted downward about two feet.

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Nik

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Yeah, pretty freaky stuff.

Remember the whole Pangea thing? The Pacific is disappearing and the Atlantic is growing. Over time, the Pacific will disappear due to the subduction zone and the continents will come back together where the Pacific ocean now sits. That'd take a couple hundred thousand years, but that EQ's moving Japan inward and down is proof. :\
 

uhohs

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How much time between the quake and the evacuation warning was there in Japan?

I heard that the first tsunami wave arrived in less than 10 minutes after the quake. I haven't heard anything about there being warnings sent out.
 

Locut0s

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I wonder what kind of death toll we will see here when the 9.0 one strikes us. Vancouver and Seattle are not at all prepared.
 

Capt Caveman

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I doubt this one will climb that high. The indian ocean one effected a much larger area and many of the places it took out were small rural villages with basically no infastructure. I have no doubt it will be higher than 10K but I don't think it will rise into the 100K region.

Unfortunately, the cities/areas destroyed by the tsunami were populated by over one millions people. With 11 minutes of warning, how many were able to get out safely?
 

iGas

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I wonder what kind of death toll we will see here when the 9.0 one strikes us. Vancouver and Seattle are not at all prepared.
It is likely that we would get some kind of early warning such as high activities at Mt. St. Helens.

Many buildings will be destroyed because we don't have building standard for earthquakes.

Seatle and Lower Mainland isn't expose therefore tsunami isn't going to affect it much. However Vancouver Island, and coastal towns from Washington to California are going to take a big hit.

Vancouver, Richmond, Surrey, and Delta might liquid fide since they are part of the Fraser mud valley.

Death toll is unknown till it happen.
 
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Locut0s

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Unfortunately, the cities/areas destroyed by the tsunami were populated by over one millions people. With 11 minutes of warning, how many were able to get out safely?

True. It could be the case. I hope not but it does seem to just get worse and worse.
 

Capt Caveman

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True. It could be the case. I hope not but it does seem to just get worse and worse.

Yeah, just watching the news and learning that numerous areas(mostly smaller towns) haven't even been reached yet. That whole area up there has no water, electricity and it drops into the 30s at night.

Watched footage of the tsunami flowing into a city you could see cars driving along a highway just a couple of hundred yards away. Can't imagine the horror of being swept into that wave of water and managing to survive.

edit - watching NBC Dateline and they just had a story of a village of 17,000 where they estimate only 7000 lived. The village is in a valley with only one way in/out. With the warning the road was jammed with cars as the water filled the valley with 40 ft of water.
 
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zerocool84

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I was just watching CNN and they had a video of a lady talking about her child getting swept away right from her own hands. The mother was holding onto a tree so they wouldn't get swept away and the child couldn't hold on and the child got taken by the current.

Damn when I heard that, that seriously just makes you feel like crap.
 

WelshBloke

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I heard that the first tsunami wave arrived in less than 10 minutes after the quake. I haven't heard anything about there being warnings sent out.


I guess when nature slaps you like that it dosnt matter what technology or preparations you have, its going to hurt anyway.
 

CZroe

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With all the talk of the Earth's axis changing with the last two big quakes, I wonder how it affects GPS? Not to mention, the coastal elevation and longitudal changes from the actual plate shifting.
 

zerocool84

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With all the talk of the Earth's axis changing with the last two big quakes, I wonder how it affects GPS? Not to mention, the coastal elevation and longitudal changes from the actual plate shifting.

GPS satellites will maintain whatever correct position they need.
 

Imp

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not sure at this point if im still gonna be going to japan in late april... has air travel resumed and are trains back to normal around tokyo yet?

I know someone who has plane tickets to go in two weeks. He's cancelling tomorrow and had travel insurance. The plan was 10 days in Tokyo, but risk of nuclear fallout (ok, no, but radiation concerns are real, why risk it?), no power/rolling blackouts, millions of people in mourning, emergency workers all over the place, trains may be down, etc... Maybe rescheduling is a good idea.
 

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People are wondering how the water can travel so far and so quick inland. Way I see it, a tsunami isn't simply like a standing wave, with stuff bobbing up & down with little lateral movement. The ocean floor rises, displaces the water and the result is more like tipping a monstrous bucket on a floor. It has a wave (ripple) component but it acts like a gigantic spill across the coastline. There is a strong horizontal component to its power, both on the way in and when the water recedes into the ocean.
 

zerocool84

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People are wondering how the water can travel so far and so quick inland. Way I see it, a tsunami isn't simply like a standing wave, with stuff bobbing up & down with little lateral movement. The ocean floor rises, displaces the water and the result is more like tipping a monstrous bucket on a floor. It has a wave (ripple) component but it acts like a gigantic spill across the coastline. There is a strong horizontal component to its power, both on the way in and when the water recedes into the ocean.

Yup, the seafloor moves up and the extra water has to go somewhere so it goes inland.
 

BoomerD

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Umm...you *do* realize that "official count" is a nonsense figure at this point, right? There was a point when the official count was 1. You're finally looking at an estimate instead of an official death toll and you're thinking it must be "bullshit" because it's so much higher.

10,000 sounds ridiculously low to me.

More than 230,000 died in the 2004 tsunami.

No, you're not getting my point at all...the 10,000 dead estimate is just that an estimate...without the actual bodies to back it up. I also expect the numbers to be MUCH higher before this is all done.




I wonder what kind of death toll we will see here when the 9.0 one strikes us. Vancouver and Seattle are not at all prepared.

The Pacific Northwest is in a subduction zone just like Japan. Should there ever be "the big one," you'll likely get hurt worse than California. We're on a "strike/slip" fault. (the plates slide past each other instead of one getting pushed under the other)
 

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People are wondering how the water can travel so far and so quick inland. Way I see it, a tsunami isn't simply like a standing wave, with stuff bobbing up & down with little lateral movement. The ocean floor rises, displaces the water and the result is more like tipping a monstrous bucket on a floor. It has a wave (ripple) component but it acts like a gigantic spill across the coastline. There is a strong horizontal component to its power, both on the way in and when the water recedes into the ocean.

One of the articles I was reading on them says they can reach up to 500MPH. My simple brain can not fathom the idea of that much water going that fast. I just can't. All I can do is look at the aftermath accept that it's quite possibly the most destructive force on the planet short of an ice age causing volcanic event.
 

zerocool84

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One of the articles I was reading on them says they can reach up to 500MPH. My simple brain can not fathom the idea of that much water going that fast. I just can't. All I can do is look at the aftermath accept that it's quite possibly the most destructive force on the planet short of an ice age causing volcanic event.

On CNN they said the Japanese tsunami was traveling at 300-400mph and 30mph on land. That's just insane.
 
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