8.8 Earthquake hits Japan

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oh, no. cnn's carol is back, and she's trying to round up plenty of ignorant knee-jerk reactions on facebook. carol, you don't even know your own website's name. "ha, what'd i say?" time to pack it up, carol. and take suzanne with you.

the alternative is fox news. they cut into the president in progress, after 30 seconds the guy says "meh, it's about education." and they go back to blaming the moon or mayans or something. :thumbsdown:
 

alfa147x

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And, please explain, what you really think happened?

Facts:
-Plant was designed for 8.2, was functionally fine after 8.9/9.0
-Plant shut down the chain reaction as it should have.
-Plant was cooling the reactors fine.
-Then the tsunami hit, which didn't destroy the plant either
-The tsunami destroyed the primary power source (the national grid), AND took out multiple sets of backup diesel generators
-The plants own battery backup worked for 8 hours as designed (even after 8.9 earthquake AND a 30 ft tsunami)
-The mobile generators brought in didn't have the required connectors which is about the only "fault" I see so far
-In order to prevent a total meltdown they have allowed some low level radioactive byproducts have been allowed out of the core. These radioactive elements will either decay or be diluted to the point where you might get exposed to slightly more radiation then you would in a normal day.

I look forward to your expert analysis of what happened.

Wow I'v been trying to find a summery to the whole power plant situation and here it is. Thanks!
 
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cnn's suzanne on anti-rad pills: "doctor sanjay explains how they work.....and when they don't" fade to black...commercial.

after the commercial, play sanjay's tape from a day or 2 ago, and then talk about chernobyl.

suzanne, you're as dumb and phony as carol, and let's be honest, less attractive.

nils diaz, smack suzanne for me.
 
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Firebot

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Why was a plant designed for 8.2 when 9+ as possible in the area.

Maybe you should look in your own backyard before complaining about the safest country in the world in terms of earthquake preparedness.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diablo_Canyon_Power_Plant

7.5 magnitude earthquake preparedness, and right on the California coast.

And California is sure as hell prone to 9+ earthquakes. It's not Japan I'm worried about here when it comes to who is the most prepared to deal with earthquakes and tsunamis.

You only have to look at New Orleans to see how the US handles real natural disasters on home turf. A hurricane prone area under sea level, with poorly underfunded and improperly planned dams. And you can prepare for a Hurricane for days and evacuate people, yet people couldn't get it right. A tsunami can appear and destroy towns with less then 10 minutes preparedness time. The Japanese are doing a fantastic job, showing restraint in a time of trial and almost all buildings held as designed in a disaster much much worse in sheer power then a hurricane.
 

Ninjahedge

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Actually Firebot, the real reason is simple.

You can't design for the worst possible because it is likely notto happen. This is one of the biggest quakes the WORLD has EVER seen, not something that is likely to happen within the operational lifespan of the plant.

Agreed that Nuclear Plants should be designed for just about anything that can hit them (unlike, say, an office building) because, unlike an office building, if the structure is damaged enough, even if all the people can get out and away safely, the damage can lead to further problems (like the failure of the cooling systems).

The thing t hat drove me nuts was one broadcaster, on the same day this happened, started asking "what does this mean to the US".


Come ON! "Gee Japan is having a bad day, but I hope that does not mean we will be seeing any radiation!!!"
 

WelshBloke

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oh, no. cnn's carol is back, and she's trying to round up plenty of ignorant knee-jerk reactions on facebook. carol, you don't even know your own website's name. "ha, what'd i say?" time to pack it up, carol. and take suzanne with you.

the alternative is fox news
. they cut into the president in progress, after 30 seconds the guy says "meh, it's about education." and they go back to blaming the moon or mayans or something. :thumbsdown:

Just use the BBC.
 

DrunkenSano

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Next thing you know, people will be complaining why Japan's nuclear reactors weren't built to withstand a meteor hit if one hits it.
 
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ok, cnn's tsunami expert, chad the douche clown, is back. imagine glenn beck explaining...a nuclear reactor.

chad: moronic babbling
suzanne: meltdown! meltdown! quickly!
chad: well, imagine popcorn popping all at once, and an BOOM. will the vessel hold it? well we've never got to that point.

are they having a laugh?
 
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rcpratt

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ok, cnn's tsunami expert, chad the douche clown, is back. imagine glenn beck explaining...a nuclear reactor.

chad: moronic babbling
suzanne: meltdown! meltdown! quickly!
chad: well, imagine popcorn popping all at once, and an BOOM. will the vessel hold it? well we've never got to that point.

are they having a laugh?
Please tell me he did not seriously compare nuclear physics to popcorn popping...
 

Jeff7

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ok, cnn's tsunami expert, chad the douche clown, is back. imagine glenn beck explaining...a nuclear reactor.

chad: moronic babbling
suzanne: meltdown! meltdown! quickly!
chad: well, imagine popcorn popping all at once, and an BOOM. will the vessel hold it? well we've never got to that point.

are they having a laugh?
I get the idea that I'm better-informed on this subject because I haven't been watching MSNBC/CNN/FOX"News".
The target IQ and attention span for those channels (and a lot of others) has gotten horrendous. Remember when Discovery and The Learning Channel had real documentaries, and educational shows? Or when they didn't pander to an audience which thought a proton is something that goes on salad?



Next thing you know, people will be complaining why Japan's nuclear reactors weren't built to withstand a meteor hit if one hits it.
The way things have been going, that might be next.
What are they at now? - Many strong earthquakes/aftershocks, tsunami, nuclear emergency, volcano eruption...



Why was a plant designed for 8.2 when 9+ as possible in the area.
- Why aren't all satellites built with radiation-hardened electronics? Solar flares are quite possible, and powerful ones have hit our planet in only the last few hundred years. A few years ago, one even managed to damage a probe orbiting Mars; a good hit here from a powerful flare could easily roast electronic systems on satellites, not to mention what it would do to any terrestrial power grid.
- Why aren't we prepared for an asteroid impact? Asteroids have hit this planet in the past, and there are many thousands of others out there that could easily pose a threat. Just in 1908 we had the comet which caused the Tunguska Event, and the only reason that isn't something that everyone knows about is because by pure luck, it didn't explode over a populated area.
- Why do we have powerlines running above-ground beneath trees? Large branches fall off on a whim.

The only answer is really: Cost.
I'm sure we could build a nuclear reactor a mile underground with motion isolation all around, that'd withstand just about anything. And it would only cost $2.8 trillion.




And, please explain, what you really think happened?

Facts:
-Plant was designed for 8.2, was functionally fine after 8.9/9.0
-Plant shut down the chain reaction as it should have.
-Plant was cooling the reactors fine.
-Then the tsunami hit, which didn't destroy the plant either
-The tsunami destroyed the primary power source (the national grid), AND took out multiple sets of backup diesel generators
-The plants own battery backup worked for 8 hours as designed (even after 8.9 earthquake AND a 30 ft tsunami)
-The mobile generators brought in didn't have the required connectors which is about the only "fault" I see so far
-In order to prevent a total meltdown they have allowed some low level radioactive byproducts have been allowed out of the core. These radioactive elements will either decay or be diluted to the point where you might get exposed to slightly more radiation then you would in a normal day.

I look forward to your expert analysis of what happened.
Good summary. From a blog posting, someone noted that out of 53 power plants in Japan, only 1 has had serious issues - after most of its redundant backup systems were taken out by the tsunami, or in the case of the battery backup, worked perfectly.
And yeah, you may well have the reactor melting itself to hell in there, but that's why it's got a containment vessel, doing exactly what it was meant to do: CONTAIN the reactor.
 
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Please tell me he did not seriously compare nuclear physics to popcorn popping...

Look at the source. Fox news has to dumb down complex and advanced subjects, such as nuclear physics, to be able to be understood by the bulk of their audience.

So, nuclear reactor=jiffypop!
 
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I get the idea that I'm better-informed on this subject because I haven't been watching MSNBC/CNN/FOX"News".
The target IQ and attention span for those channels (and a lot of others) has gotten horrendous. Remember when Discovery and The Learning Channel had real documentaries, and educational shows? Or when they didn't pander to an audience which thought a proton is something that goes on salad?

There is a reason I get my news/information from here more often than Fox/MSNBC/CNN/etc, because there are many intelligent people here who provide a very balanced view. Usually more accurate too.

And I definitely miss TLC/Discovery doing real shows that helped me to actually LEARN things besides Alaska crab fishing is a deadly business.
 
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There is a reason I get my news/information from here more often than Fox/MSNBC/CNN/etc, because there are many intelligent people here who provide a very balanced view. Usually more accurate too.

And I definitely miss TLC/Discovery doing real shows that helped me to actually LEARN things besides Alaska crab fishing is a deadly business.

i'm in it for the ghosts
 

sdifox

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There is a reason I get my news/information from here more often than Fox/MSNBC/CNN/etc, because there are many intelligent people here who provide a very balanced view. Usually more accurate too.

And I definitely miss TLC/Discovery doing real shows that helped me to actually LEARN things besides Alaska crab fishing is a deadly business.

I got a window on BBC
 
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