8.8 Earthquake hits Japan

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BoomerD

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With all the talk of the Earth's axis changing with the last two big quakes, I wonder how it affects GPS? Not to mention, the coastal elevation and longitudal changes from the actual plate shifting.

Makes me wonder if this stuff is also affecting "magnetic north." It's shifting faster than any time in history.
I read an interesting story this morning about it...but can't find it now. Here's some info:

http://www.earthweek.com/2011/ew110311/ew110311h.html

"Earth’s Magnetic North Pole is shifting from its current location in northern Canada at a faster rate than has ever before been observed.

The movement could have significant impact for both aircraft navigation and some types of migratory wildlife in the decades ahead, experts warn.

Hundreds of miles south of the geographic North Pole, the location of the Magnetic North Pole was first determined in 1833.

It seemed to barely move until about 1904, when its position began to track northeastward about nine miles per year.

The speed began to increase significantly in a northwesterly direction about 1998, and now averages about 37 miles each year.

This means the pole will be located in northern Russia later this century if the movement and speed don’t change.

Air transportation uses magnetic compass directions for navigation, meaning airports are having to rename their runways as the shift continues.

Wildlife that can sense Earth’s magnetic field to migrate may also become affected by the change. "




Then...back to Japan...it just keeps getting worse ans worse:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...dake_volcano_begins_spewing_ash_boulders.html

Earthquake, tsunami, nuclear plant meltdowns -- as if the people of Japan didn't have enough to cope with, a volcano began erupting Sunday.

Hundreds of people were forced to flee when the Shinmoedake volcano on the southern island of Kyushu began spewing ash and boulders.

The explosion from the eruption could be heard miles away and an ash plume extended two miles into the sky.

Shinmoedake, one of several volcanic peaks in the Kirishima mountain range, is 950 miles from the epicenter of Friday's earthquake and scientists weren't sure if the quake triggered the eruption.

Eruptions and quakes are common in Japan's "ring of fire."

The volcano erupted in January - the first major seismic activity on the mountain in 52 years. Scientists say lava had been building up in recent weeks.

Shinmoedake is famous for standing in as the villain's secret rocket base in the 1967 James Bond film, "You Only Live Twice."


Fuck these geologists and vulcanologists who say this shit isn't connected. Japan's been getting hammered by earthquakes...several hundred in just the past few days...now a volcano is erupting?
Not connected my ass.
 

shiner

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Makes me wonder if this stuff is also affecting "magnetic north." It's shifting faster than any time in history.
I read an interesting story this morning about it...but can't find it now. Here's some info:

http://www.earthweek.com/2011/ew110311/ew110311h.html

"Earth’s Magnetic North Pole is shifting from its current location in northern Canada at a faster rate than has ever before been observed.

The movement could have significant impact for both aircraft navigation and some types of migratory wildlife in the decades ahead, experts warn.

Hundreds of miles south of the geographic North Pole, the location of the Magnetic North Pole was first determined in 1833.

It seemed to barely move until about 1904, when its position began to track northeastward about nine miles per year.

The speed began to increase significantly in a northwesterly direction about 1998, and now averages about 37 miles each year.

This means the pole will be located in northern Russia later this century if the movement and speed don’t change.

Air transportation uses magnetic compass directions for navigation, meaning airports are having to rename their runways as the shift continues.

Wildlife that can sense Earth’s magnetic field to migrate may also become affected by the change. "




Then...back to Japan...it just keeps getting worse ans worse:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...dake_volcano_begins_spewing_ash_boulders.html

Earthquake, tsunami, nuclear plant meltdowns -- as if the people of Japan didn't have enough to cope with, a volcano began erupting Sunday.

Hundreds of people were forced to flee when the Shinmoedake volcano on the southern island of Kyushu began spewing ash and boulders.

The explosion from the eruption could be heard miles away and an ash plume extended two miles into the sky.

Shinmoedake, one of several volcanic peaks in the Kirishima mountain range, is 950 miles from the epicenter of Friday's earthquake and scientists weren't sure if the quake triggered the eruption.

Eruptions and quakes are common in Japan's "ring of fire."

The volcano erupted in January - the first major seismic activity on the mountain in 52 years. Scientists say lava had been building up in recent weeks.

Shinmoedake is famous for standing in as the villain's secret rocket base in the 1967 James Bond film, "You Only Live Twice."


Fuck these geologists and vulcanologists who say this shit isn't connected. Japan's been getting hammered by earthquakes...several hundred in just the past few days...now a volcano is erupting?
Not connected my ass.

I'm beginning to wonder if anyone has spotted this over Japan in the last few days?

 

CZroe

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One of the articles I was reading on them says they can reach up to 500MPH. My simple brain can not fathom the idea of that much water going that fast. I just can't. All I can do is look at the aftermath accept that it's quite possibly the most destructive force on the planet short of an ice age causing volcanic event.

The water doesn't move that fast. The wave of force does. That's like saying that air moves at the speed of sound from the sound's origin when you hear a sonic boom. It doesn't.
 

CZroe

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GPS satellites will maintain whatever correct position they need.

Even when the planet itself moves beneath? I guess they can be actively manipulated by firing rockets for adjustments, assuming that they have those.
 

Ichinisan

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Talk about media sensationalism...
(sorry for the wall of text)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake

10K dead in Japan amid fears of nuclear meltdowns

"SENDAI, Japan – The estimated death toll from Japan's disasters climbed past 10,000 Sunday as authorities raced to combat the threat of multiple nuclear reactor meltdowns and hundreds of thousands of people struggled to find food and water.

...

In the town of Minamisanrikucho, 10,000 people — nearly two-thirds of the population — have not been heard from since the tsunami wiped it out, a government spokesman said.

...
Umm...you *do* realize that "official count" is a nonsense figure at this point, right? There was a point when the official count was 1. You're finally looking at an estimate instead of an official death toll and you're thinking it must be "bullshit" because it's so much higher.

10,000 sounds ridiculously low to me.

More than 230,000 died in the 2004 tsunami.

No, you're not getting my point at all...the 10,000 dead estimate is just that an estimate...without the actual bodies to back it up. I also expect the numbers to be MUCH higher before this is all done.

OK. Kinda confusing because you implied the "10,000" number was "media sensationalism."
 

Toonces

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I'm fine. Tokyo was basically unaffected outside of a few fires and a lot of broken office equipment (and glassware in my apartment). I used to live in Miyako, Iwate. The city has been wiped out. I'm not sure what's happened to my friends and students.

Today, there's a stoppage of train service and rolling blackouts in the Kanto so I'm home from work.

*** News is reporting Fukushima #3 reactor's building just blew.
 

vi edit

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The water doesn't move that fast. The wave of force does. That's like saying that air moves at the speed of sound from the sound's origin when you hear a sonic boom. It doesn't.

Gotcha. I read that number on a "high on drama, low on scientific fact" newspage and they just said "in open water an tsunami can hit up to 500MPH". I inferred it as the wave and not the force. I've since found a much more technical site and been edumacated.
 

BoomerD

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OK. Kinda confusing because you implied the "10,000" number was "media sensationalism."

In a way, I was. Like I said, since no one knows for certain how many have perished, estimating that number IS media sensationalism...for now, but I think their estimate is gonna be pretty low.
They shouldn't try to make estimates on the death count yet. They're only beginning to get into some of the hardest hit towns.
 

zoiks

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Makes you think what would happen to towns like Foster City and Redwood Shores if something like this happened here. Some of the houses are built very close to the water level as it is.
 

BoomerD

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Makes you think what would happen to towns like Foster City and Redwood Shores if something like this happened here. Some of the houses are built very close to the water level as it is.

Those are on the bay, not the ocean. They DO stand to suffer great damage from liquefaction because they're basically built on mudflats.


Here's a little MSNBC video showing an airborne view of the destruction:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42062736#42062736
 

Oceanas

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*** News is reporting Fukushima #3 reactor's building just blew.

NHK is reporting that 7 of the plant workers are missing after the explosion and 2 or 3 injured.

EDIT: Now they say they found the 7 that were missing and it's now 6 injured people
 
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Anubis

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Makes you think what would happen to towns like Foster City and Redwood Shores if something like this happened here. Some of the houses are built very close to the water level as it is.

it could actually be worse, a tsunami that size hitting southern Cal would would wipe LA and SD off the map
 

PieIsAwesome

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it could actually be worse, a tsunami that size hitting southern Cal would would wipe LA and SD off the map

The tsunami went about 2 miles inland in Sendai, so if such a tsunami hit SoCal only the areas right up against the ocean would be at risk.
 

CZroe

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Gotcha. I read that number on a "high on drama, low on scientific fact" newspage and they just said "in open water an tsunami can hit up to 500MPH". I inferred it as the wave and not the force. I've since found a much more technical site and been edumacated.

That's why we call a wave "a wave."
 
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