8 Reasons Windows Users don't Switch

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8 Reasons Windows Users Don?t Switch

by Steven Leigh
Oct 02, 2007

Let me say it right off the bat: Macs running OS X give the best computing experience on the planet. It?s not that Macs are perfect, but compared to everything else, there is nothing like the Mac experience. With that in mind, it?s difficult for many Mac users to comprehend why there are so many Windows users suffering needlessly by running a Windows system. That?s where I come in.

I have been a die-hard Windows user since I started computing. If you had told me I would switch to Mac at any point in the future, I would have laughed at you. There was nothing that could ever make me switch! Well, that didn?t exactly last forever, but as a recent Mac ?switcher,? I have a unique perspective on both worlds. Experienced Mac users may not have the perspective that it takes to see what makes Windows users stay with Microsoft, and let?s face it, some Mac users (not you or me, of course) are just downright zealots who think that anyone using Windows should be cast into the fiery pits of Mount Doom and forgotten for all eternity. (Nerd alert!)

So allow me to take an objective look at what keeps some Windows users from switching, from the perspective of someone who has resisted switching to Mac for a long time and was looking for any excuse to stay with Windows. And once you?ve read this article, check out ?8 Reasons Windows Users DO Switch? (coming soon) to learn what is working.

1. Ignorance
Ignorance is merely a lack of knowledge, and when it comes to Macs, most Windows users, myself included, are extremely uninformed. My experiences with Macs were mostly pre-OS X, before the really good stuff began to happen, and I made a decision that Macs were not for me and never looked back. Many Windows users think they?ll have to ?re-learn everything? and that nothing will be familiar. While this is partly true, Macs are so much easier to use; many beginners find it easier to do most tasks intuitively, without having to be taught or open a manual. As someone who has spent long hours teaching family and friends how to do simple tasks like email attachments, I can you tell that the same cannot be said about Windows.

2. The Office
No, I?m not blaming Steve Carell, I?m talking about where you work. Most office environments run Windows, period. While this is beginning to change, the reality is that the majority of people are using Windows at the office. If you need to bring your work home and get things done, it makes sense that you should run Windows at home, right? Not really, but the average Windows user doesn?t know about Office for Macs, or that their files will still be compatible. They don?t realize how easy it is to work across both platforms, or that they can even run Windows on their Mac when all else fails. Even if they do know these things, they figure that it will be more difficult to work on two platforms than it is worth. Apple is doing a great job lately of educating people on these misunderstandings, but it is still the prevailing thought among Windows users. Even if the Mac doesn?t get a strong hold on the business market, it?s important that people know they?re capable of it.

3. Hardware
I have always been a bit of a hardware geek, and used to enjoy building my own machines. Every few years, I would upgrade the motherboard and processor, and re-use the case, the hard drives, and power supply, and could make a significant upgrade for $400-500. I can never do this with a Mac. Hardware geeks are hard to convince for this very reason, and even average Windows users may scoff at something like an iMac because they don?t want to pay for a new monitor every time they upgrade their computer. Mac Minis are popular with Windows switchers because they can use their current monitor, mouse, and keyboard and not have them bundled as with an iMac. This is becoming less of an issue as the price of Macs have come down considerably, and technology moves so fast nowadays, you?ll likely to want to upgrade almost every component every few years anyway. As a former system-builder, I?m now at a point in my life where I would rather pay a little extra for a system that works right out of the box and has great support than save a few hundred dollars at the cost of countless hours of being my own tech support.

4. Price
The perception by Windows users is that Macs are more expensive than Windows PCs. This may have been true in the past, but the new Macs are very comparably priced to similarly equipped PCs. Unfortunately, the perception remains. Budget PCs may undercut Mac prices, but budget PCs sacrifice quality parts and support. Apple has shown that they are not interested in competing in the budget computer market, and it?s a smart move, as the margins in this area are extremely small. Windows users should consider what they?re getting for the extra money. Apple?s support is top-notch, the included software, such as iLife, is stellar, and the quality and design of the machines is always first-class.

5. Lies
Let?s face it: Apple tends to bend the truth once in a while, especially about Microsoft and Windows. One of the ?Get a Mac? ads states that Windows is for spreadsheets and pie-charts, while Macs are for ?fun stuff? like photos, movies, etc. To Mac users, this seems both funny and true. Windows users, however, are thinking of the aisles and aisles of games that are available for Windows, while there is a half-shelf devoted to games for the Mac. I don?t know about you, but I can only have so much fun playing with photos. Things like this just sound like lies, and they sometimes present Apple as a company that has to lie about its competitors to get business. Other ads point out flaws in Windows that are so true it hurts, especially letting people know that Macs don?t get viruses, or that Macs include a lot more useful software and less bloat than Windows. Don?t get me wrong, I take the commercials as a light-hearted jab, as they are intended, but some of them bend the truth so much that it creates mistrust.

6. Windows Bashing
Apple and Steve Jobs are constantly making jabs at Vista and Microsoft, and Mac users follow suit. That?s understandable, but when Steve Jobs is constantly berating Vista and Microsoft instead of touting the features and advantages of Apple?s own products, it makes Windows users think that Macs don?t have much going for them. I remember watching the 20 or 30 minute Vista-bashing session at the WWDC conference and wondering why Steve Jobs is so insecure that he has to berate the opposition. Can you imagine shopping for a car and having the salesman only talk about what?s wrong with the competition?s cars? This always reminds me of John Kerry, whose entire campaign was about bashing Bush instead of telling you why he was a good candidate himself. It didn?t work for him either. Apple, your products are the best in the industry. Act like it.

7. Vista
I?m going to let you in on a dirty little secret, but you need to sit down first. Windows Vista is actually a good operating system! There. I said it. The ugly truth is that Vista is the best operating system Microsoft has ever released, and for many users, it is good enough. That?s right, good enough. I really like Vista. It fixes so many of the little issues that have plagued me for years, and if I had to use Windows, it?s the version I would use. But now that I have spent time with OS X, I could never go back. For Windows users who have never touched OS X, or are resisting Macs for any of the reasons listed here, Vista is the best operating system they have ever used. I know, I pity them too, but all we can do is hope that they see the light eventually.

8. Mac Users
Okay, I?m not talking about you or me here, but there are some Mac users out there who have just a little too much love for Apple. When they are shouting (or typing in all caps) about how much better Macs are, they?re not convincing anyone to switch, they are scaring them away. Even well-intentioned Mac users can sometimes get a little carried away. I?ve had many friends lecture me for hours on end that I was stupid not to switch, and all it did was push me further away. In contrast, when I got a chance to sit down and quietly use a Mac, I began to enjoy the experience, and luckily, a friend was smart enough to answer my questions and just let me play for a while, and it made all the difference.

Conclusion:
Apple is doing so much right these days. I am sometimes awestruck by their constant stream of good decisions, but there are still so many Windows users unwilling to take the bait. I think it helps to know what we?re up against when we?re trying to convince Windows users to join the Mac side, and I hope I have provided some insight.

Did I miss some reasons? I?d love to read them in the comments.

I think he's hit the nail on the head!
 

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That was beautiful.

Seriously, this is one of the most well thought out, written pieces i have seen in a VERY long time.
 

jagec

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9)Right-click. Seriously. One of my few consistent complaints about macs is the neolithic mouse. Maybe a single button was great back in 1980 when people still had to get used to computers, but we're past that now. Yes, you can get another mouse (and you should for a desktop...the mouse is one of the weakest pieces of the Apple hardware lineup), but even so the OS isn't as completely set up for multi-button mouses as the PC. And you're kinda stuck on a laptop.
 

ShawnD1

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That article is sure a lot of rambling for something that funnels down to basically 2 words:
1) Money
2) Games

If they supported games, I would switch in a second.
 

Nothinman

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but even so the OS isn't as completely set up for multi-button mouses as the PC. And you're kinda stuck on a laptop.

Actually it is, at least the stuff Apple produces has context menus for just about everything and something like cmd+click will bring it up but I still can't bring myself to buy a laptop with only one mouse button.
 

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Originally posted by: jagec
9)Right-click. Seriously. One of my few consistent complaints about macs is the neolithic mouse. Maybe a single button was great back in 1980 when people still had to get used to computers, but we're past that now. Yes, you can get another mouse (and you should for a desktop...the mouse is one of the weakest pieces of the Apple hardware lineup), but even so the OS isn't as completely set up for multi-button mouses as the PC. And you're kinda stuck on a laptop.

New iMacs that come with a Mighty Mouse have right click, as do the laptops. Its enabled in the mouse preferences. In fact after using my Macbook Pro 2 finger tap as right click i find my work Thinkpad almost unusable without an external mouse.
 

erikistired

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Originally posted by: jagec
9)Right-click. Seriously. One of my few consistent complaints about macs is the neolithic mouse. Maybe a single button was great back in 1980 when people still had to get used to computers, but we're past that now. Yes, you can get another mouse (and you should for a desktop...the mouse is one of the weakest pieces of the Apple hardware lineup), but even so the OS isn't as completely set up for multi-button mouses as the PC. And you're kinda stuck on a laptop.

that falls under ignorance. 2 finger clicking is so much better than a right mouse button it's almost scary.
 

erikistired

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Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: fisher
2 finger clicking is so much better than a right mouse button it's almost scary.

Are you serious or sarcastic?

for a touchpad? it can't be beat. i used to be ignorant as well and think "omg no right mouse button bad bad!" now i feel gimped when i am forced to use a pc without 2 finger clicking/scrolling. when i'm using a mouse a right button is fine, my logitech v470 works great. but for a touchpad, apple's solution is 100% better.
 

Nothinman

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but for a touchpad, apple's solution is 100% better.

It's not Apple's solution, my notebook does two finger clicking and three finger clicking for a middle mouse button.
 

ShawnD1

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Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: fisher
2 finger clicking is so much better than a right mouse button it's almost scary.

Are you serious or sarcastic?

for a touchpad? it can't be beat. i used to be ignorant as well and think "omg no right mouse button bad bad!" now i feel gimped when i am forced to use a pc without 2 finger clicking/scrolling. when i'm using a mouse a right button is fine, my logitech v470 works great. but for a touchpad, apple's solution is 100% better.

That's a valid point. You are aware that wintel computers also have a right mouse button on the keyboard, right? On the keyboard I'm using right now, it's between the right windows and ctrl keys. Seems like a fairly silly place because it means the use either either uses his left hand for the touch pad while his right hand is on the right click button, or his hands are crossed.
 

TheStu

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
but for a touchpad, apple's solution is 100% better.

It's not Apple's solution, my notebook does two finger clicking and three finger clicking for a middle mouse button.

It is the solution available on all new Apple laptops, and regardless of whether or not Steve Jobs himself, Jimmy the Janitorial Jumping Bean or HP came up with it first, Apple is (to the best of my knowledge) the only major OEM that includes that as a feature on their systems without the use of second/third party software or drivers.

By the way, what system do you have, including OS, that gives you that, I'm curious

Oh, throw in another vote of Awesome for 2 finger right clicking and scrolling. Having 2 physical buttons is anachronistic and lame.
 

ShawnD1

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Originally posted by: TheStu
Oh, throw in another vote of Awesome for 2 finger right clicking and scrolling. Having 2 physical buttons is anachronistic and lame.

A problem with the 1-button you may be forgetting is how it breaks compatibility with VNC and Remote Desktop controlled computers. Using the keyboard works to bring up a menu in Mac OS, but not in Windows through Remote Desktop or VNC. Basically it means that I could not possibly control my windows server if I used a Mac as my main computer. I assume it would also break compatibility when controlling Linux computers since Linux uses the same 2-button model, but I can't test that theory at this time.
 

erikistired

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Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: fisher
Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: fisher
2 finger clicking is so much better than a right mouse button it's almost scary.

Are you serious or sarcastic?

for a touchpad? it can't be beat. i used to be ignorant as well and think "omg no right mouse button bad bad!" now i feel gimped when i am forced to use a pc without 2 finger clicking/scrolling. when i'm using a mouse a right button is fine, my logitech v470 works great. but for a touchpad, apple's solution is 100% better.

That's a valid point. You are aware that wintel computers also have a right mouse button on the keyboard, right? On the keyboard I'm using right now, it's between the right windows and ctrl keys. Seems like a fairly silly place because it means the use either either uses his left hand for the touch pad while his right hand is on the right click button, or his hands are crossed.

quite aware. the apple keyboard does as well. i was never a fan of it on my powerbook, but it worked. being able to just put 2 fingers on the touchpad to right click is very easy tho, and becomes very intuitive.
 

erikistired

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Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: TheStu
Oh, throw in another vote of Awesome for 2 finger right clicking and scrolling. Having 2 physical buttons is anachronistic and lame.

A problem with the 1-button you may be forgetting is how it breaks compatibility with VNC and Remote Desktop controlled computers. Using the keyboard works to bring up a menu in Mac OS, but not in Windows through Remote Desktop or VNC. Basically it means that I could not possibly control my windows server if I used a Mac as my main computer. I assume it would also break compatibility when controlling Linux computers since Linux uses the same 2-button model, but I can't test that theory at this time.

since when did mac users care about breaking windows or linux? seriously tho, while you have a point, it's very easy to switch on your bluetooth mouse and have 2 mouse buttons, or just hold down the context key.
 

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The new Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection Beta allows for use of the 2 finger secondary clicking and scrolling. So there goes breaking Windows compatibility, as for LInux, I have no idea, but I think that Chicken of the VNC works with the trackpad.
 

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I was leaning toward macs around '04-'05, but when those Mac Vs PC commercials started coming out, it really was #5 that scared me away again.

5. Lies
Let?s face it: Apple tends to bend the truth once in a while, especially about Microsoft and Windows. One of the ?Get a Mac? ads states that Windows is for spreadsheets and pie-charts, while Macs are for ?fun stuff? like photos, movies, etc. To Mac users, this seems both funny and true. Windows users, however, are thinking of the aisles and aisles of games that are available for Windows, while there is a half-shelf devoted to games for the Mac. I don?t know about you, but I can only have so much fun playing with photos. Things like this just sound like lies, and they sometimes present Apple as a company that has to lie about its competitors to get business. Other ads point out flaws in Windows that are so true it hurts, especially letting people know that Macs don?t get viruses, or that Macs include a lot more useful software and less bloat than Windows. Don?t get me wrong, I take the commercials as a light-hearted jab, as they are intended, but some of them bend the truth so much that it creates mistrust.

I finally did switch this past July, but only after playing with the Mac on my own and the thought that I could run Windows in bootcamp (which I'm now writing on!)
 

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Not everyone likes games though. Especially on the PC. Look at the market spending on console games vs. PC games. I believe Consoles made 6 billion and PCs barely broke 1 billion? I don't care about gaming on the PC anymore. I have a 360 which only costed 180 bucks total new. I'd need a 1,500 dollar rig to play the same games on the PC.
 

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Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Not everyone likes games though. Especially on the PC. Look at the market spending on console games vs. PC games. I believe Consoles made 6 billion and PCs barely broke 1 billion? I don't care about gaming on the PC anymore. I have a 360 which only costed 180 bucks total new. I'd need a 1,500 dollar rig to play the same games on the PC.

but your willing to spend $1500 on a rig that can't?
 

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If that $1500 is spent on a machine that can do anything else, yes. I would be willing to throw down $1500 on a computer, even if it wasn't a gaming beast. $1500 would get me a 2.4GHz Core 2 Duo iMac with 2GB RAM (ok, a little more than that on education discount), which is plenty of machine for everything I and the average person do. Not everyone is a gamer, and of that Not Everyone, Not Everyone is a Computer Gamer.
 

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t is the solution available on all new Apple laptops, and regardless of whether or not Steve Jobs himself, Jimmy the Janitorial Jumping Bean or HP came up with it first, Apple is (to the best of my knowledge) the only major OEM that includes that as a feature on their systems without the use of second/third party software or drivers.

Yes but saying that "Apple's solution is better" when HP, Dell, etc all offer the exact same solution in addition to extra buttons and usually a scroll wheel is pretty stupid. Technically the HP, Dell, etc solution is better because you have at least double the options.

My current notebook is an Alienware and I'm using Debian with the default synaptics driver that comes with the kernel and Xorg and IIRC it worked exactly the same on the Dell that I had before that. So depending on your perspective it's not 3rd party software either. But whether the software is built into Windows or is installed via the OEM is irrelevant.

A problem with the 1-button you may be forgetting is how it breaks compatibility with VNC and Remote Desktop controlled computers. Using the keyboard works to bring up a menu in Mac OS, but not in Windows through Remote Desktop or VNC. Basically it means that I could not possibly control my windows server if I used a Mac as my main computer. I assume it would also break compatibility when controlling Linux computers since Linux uses the same 2-button model, but I can't test that theory at this time.

I'd say that's a problem with your VNC or RDC client then because every keyboard and mouse command that I send to rdesktop gets passed down to the remote box.
 

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Originally posted by: Shivetya
Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
Not everyone likes games though. Especially on the PC. Look at the market spending on console games vs. PC games. I believe Consoles made 6 billion and PCs barely broke 1 billion? I don't care about gaming on the PC anymore. I have a 360 which only costed 180 bucks total new. I'd need a 1,500 dollar rig to play the same games on the PC.

but your willing to spend $1500 on a rig that can't?

I'm willing to buy the lowest end iMac which isn't 1,500. I love Macs because of OSX, not because of the latest hardware and I don't approve of Vista.

I got my Macbook NEW for 800 dollars.
 

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Originally posted by: ShawnD1
Originally posted by: fisher
2 finger clicking is so much better than a right mouse button it's almost scary.

Are you serious or sarcastic?

I just started this thread so I don't know if this gets rosponded to later.

fisher is completely right. The two-finger tap for right clicking is far superior to a seperate right mouse button, at least IMHO. Hopefully Apple updates the boot camp drivers to include this soon in Windows.

Having said that, I wouldn't be opposed to having apple put in a touch sensitive clicker in their laptops with seperate left/right clicks. What I need though is the ability to continue to use the one button as left and the two-finger tap, which OS X makes it extremely easy to customize your mouse the way you want. What I would also like to see if this ever happened was a slider so that you could choose exactly how much of your single mouse button was a right-click. I would only make it an extremely small portion on the right but would continue to do the two finger tap for the vast majority of work.

EDIT: I don't know about RDP because we use VNC here for all server administration. It's never had a problem passing right mouse clicks or ctrl+alt+del. In fact, CAD is better on the Mac through VNC because I can simply press it on my keyboard. On a Windows machine I have to do the send keys function.

Also, if my memory serves me correctly, Apple was the first to ship a touchpad that allowed multiple finger taps and two-finger scrolling, which is awesome, too btw! Having to use one small portion of the trackpad for scrolling ftl!
 

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Originally posted by: Nothinman
t is the solution available on all new Apple laptops, and regardless of whether or not Steve Jobs himself, Jimmy the Janitorial Jumping Bean or HP came up with it first, Apple is (to the best of my knowledge) the only major OEM that includes that as a feature on their systems without the use of second/third party software or drivers.

Yes but saying that "Apple's solution is better" when HP, Dell, etc all offer the exact same solution in addition to extra buttons and usually a scroll wheel is pretty stupid. Technically the HP, Dell, etc solution is better because you have at least double the options.

My current notebook is an Alienware and I'm using Debian with the default synaptics driver that comes with the kernel and Xorg and IIRC it worked exactly the same on the Dell that I had before that. So depending on your perspective it's not 3rd party software either. But whether the software is built into Windows or is installed via the OEM is irrelevant.

So you are saying, that in windows I can go into the control panel and say that instead of using the right button, I want to have it do a left click (and the left button as well) and then, I can, in control panel, select that I want to be able to place 2 fingers onto the trackpad and then click the button(s) or tap the trackpad to perform a secondary click. If so, then yes, HP, Dell, et all do offer the exact same solution. But if I cannot do that, then no they do not. And what scroll wheel? You mean the scroll zone that is present on most trackpads today? Gah, what a waste of space. 2 finger scrolling beats out a scroll zone anyday of the week. Or are you going to tell me that I can do that too on an HP, Dell etc?

 
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