8 Year Old Iranian Boy Punished For Stealing Bread?

[aidanjm]

I saw this linked at Andrew Sullivan's site:

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Not sure what to make of it.

Some people seem to think it is 'staged' but I'm not sure how you would get a kid that young to fake such a look of sheer terror and pain.

Some people are suggesting the presence of a crowd in the image indicates this is not a punishment but more likely some bizarre kind of public performance. However, these two gay boys, aged 16 and 17, were hung in Iran this year on July 19 - notice the crowds in the background (warning: image foreground is of the teenagers hanging dead from ropes). This kind of public punishment is, apparently, "public entertainment" in at least some areas in Iran. Thus the presence of spectators in the series of images in question is neither here nor there.


UPDATE: it appears the boy is being forced to participate in a public spectacle, for the purpose of obtaining or raisinig food or money. I.e., this is child cruelty as public entertainment. What kind of society is prevalent in Iran, to allow something like this, one wonders?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I saw this linked at andrew sullivan's site:

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That is fvcking disgusting.

Iranians :|

 

[raildogg]

Wow I will have nightmares now. Notice to all, this is extremely sickening and gruesome.

But again, this is what you get when a culture is so radicalized. Although the Iranian youth are much better and that is good news.

God bless that boy.

 

[magomago]

That doesn't look like it is any kind of law being enforced, nor something that een seems to represent the people. So to stick an angry face next to the word "Iranians" is an extreme generalization that makes it seem like they all do that...

Honestly, just seems like some random sickos that want to take pleasure in the pain of others...You can find similar stuff like this in the US most likely via the same kind of websites (Though I'm not sure of any becaeuse I don't want to watch stuff like that)

But those guys who did that are a-holes...poor kid :'(

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Wow I will have nightmares now. Notice to all, this is extremely sickening and gruesome.

But again, this is what you get when a culture is so radicalized. Although the Iranian youth are much better and that is good news.

God bless that boy.

The HECK are you talking about! Are you trying to tell me the majority of adults would support running over the boys arm with a truck...

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: raildogg
Wow I will have nightmares now. Notice to all, this is extremely sickening and gruesome.

But again, this is what you get when a culture is so radicalized. Although the Iranian youth are much better and that is good news.

God bless that boy.

Good news. Thanks to George W. Bush you can soon expect the same atrocities in the newly minted Shi'ite theocracy in Iraq.

But again, this is what you get when a culture is so radicalized.

 

[azazyel]

Is that guy holding a mic?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: azazyel
Is that guy holding a mic?

Hes probably announcing his crime. They do that in the Middle East.

 

[kylebisme]

From the comments section of the link:

I'm an Iranian and I've seen these pictures in a report in a local newspaper before.
It's not a 'punishment' or anything like that. If it was a punishment they wouldn't put the soft thing under the boy's arm.

According to the report, the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities just to make money from the people standing there. This is their everyday activity. Very Very sorrowing.

Please be careful not to post anything that you don't have enough information about.
And don't post such things which are to make hate in the hearts of the people rather than sympathy.

 

[azazyel]

I'm w/ staged as well..

"This is obviously a staged event. If you look at the pictures the boys hand never moves from a fist. If his bones and and tendons were in fact crushed he would lose the ability to retain a fist. also the rolled up blanket and his arm would not lift the vehicle as seen in pictures 5 and 6. I am not defending what they are doing and I to take great issue with Islam. I do however try to look past the obvious to avoid being fooled."

 

[getbush]

read the whole thread - While it is still a crappy thing, it appears it is a performance, and that the arm and stuff probably wasn't broken, and that this might have been a daily occurence. I'm not advocating running over your kid's arm for money, but this shouldn't be twisted into something it isn't.

edit: I'm too slow, and the title of this thread only adds to the misleading

 

[Proletariat]

Why.... why are you people apologizing for such a heinous thing? You haven't seen the stoning to death of women in Iran? The stoning to death of young men?

Excusing such a thing isn't being liberal, its being immoral.

 

[Tab]

I've heard they still have public beheadings in Saudia Arabi and convicted homosexsuals have been stoned to death in Iran...

Who knows...

 

[Deus3344]

According to the thread its actually a street preformer

I'm an Iranian and I've seen these pictures in a report in a local newspaper before.
It's not a 'punishment' or anything like that. If it was a punishment they wouldn't put the soft thing under the boy's arm.

According to the report, the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities just to make money from the people standing there. This is their everyday activity. Very Very sorrowing.

Please be careful not to post anything that you don't have enough information about.
And don't post such things which are to make hate in the hearts of the people rather than sympathy.

I am not attempting to justify the act, its still a dangerous stunt.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: magomago
That doesn't look like it is any kind of law being enforced, nor something that een seems to represent the people. So to stick an angry face next to the word "Iranians" is an extreme generalization that makes it seem like they all do that..

Honestly, just seems like some random sickos that want to take pleasure in the pain of others...You can find similar stuff like this in the US most likely via the same kind of websites (Though I'm not sure of any becaeuse I don't want to watch stuff like that)

But those guys who did that are a-holes...poor kid :'(

These two gay boys, aged 16 and 17, were hung in Iran this year on July 19. Notice the crowds in the background (warning: image is of the teenagers hanging dead from a rope). This kind of thing is, apparently, "public entertainment" in that culture. Therefore the presence of a crowd does not imply that that little boy is not actually being punished.

 

[getbush]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Why.... why are you people apologizing for such a heinous thing? You haven't seen the stoning to death of women in Iran? The stoning to death of young men?

Excusing such a thing isn't being liberal, its being immoral.

Point out where someone excused it, noone did. All anyone said was this kid is not being punished for stealing bread, and it doesn't have direct relation to islam or the laws of iran. It's a poor guy who is exploiting his son for money. Which is bad in its own right, but it is not an excuse to hate Iran, not this incident. Hell, there are a million other reasons to disagree with Iran, it's not hard ot find them. Tell me there's never been one instance of child exploitation in the US. Would you say America as a whole sucks beyond a doubt because of one crazy guy?

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Deus3344
According to the thread its actually a street preformer

I'm an Iranian and I've seen these pictures in a report in a local newspaper before.
It's not a 'punishment' or anything like that. If it was a punishment they wouldn't put the soft thing under the boy's arm.

According to the report, the man in the picture is making a show of the boy's abilities just to make money from the people standing there. This is their everyday activity. Very Very sorrowing.

Please be careful not to post anything that you don't have enough information about.
And don't post such things which are to make hate in the hearts of the people rather than sympathy.

It looks more like a street preformance to me as well, if the boys wrist was getting crushed he wouldn't be able to make a fist as he wouldn't have the tendons or muscles left to do that.

I am not attempting to justify the act, its still a dangerous stunt.

Are you Iranian?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Why.... why are you people apologizing for such a heinous thing? You haven't seen the stoning to death of women in Iran? The stoning to death of young men?

Excusing such a thing isn't being liberal, its being immoral.

Read the whole thread before spewing crap. Idiot.

 

[Deus3344]

No I am half, my mother was from Iran. She immigrated to the US in the early 70s.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
Why.... why are you people apologizing for such a heinous thing? You haven't seen the stoning to death of women in Iran? The stoning to death of young men?

Excusing such a thing isn't being liberal, its being immoral.

No one here apologizing or excusing anything here; why are you so dillusional as to state otherwise?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: aidanjm
I saw this linked at andrew sullivan's site:

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not sure what to make of it. some people seem to think it is 'staged' but I'm not sure how you would get a kid that young to fake such a look of sheer terror and pain

Sheer terror and pain? The boy's grimacing! And it is 'staged'. And you can at the least edit the topic to reflect the dispute, and not make it seem that the kid is being punished for stealing bread :roll:

 

[getbush]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: magomago
That doesn't look like it is any kind of law being enforced, nor something that een seems to represent the people. So to stick an angry face next to the word "Iranians" is an extreme generalization that makes it seem like they all do that..

Honestly, just seems like some random sickos that want to take pleasure in the pain of others...You can find similar stuff like this in the US most likely via the same kind of websites (Though I'm not sure of any becaeuse I don't want to watch stuff like that)

But those guys who did that are a-holes...poor kid :'(

These two gay boys, aged 16 and 17, were hung in Iran this year on July 19. Notice the crowds in the background (warning: image is of the teenagers hanging dead from a rope). This kind of thing is, apparently, "public entertainment" in that culture. Therefore the presence of a crowd does not imply that that little boy is not actually being punished.

...so do you have some kind of vendetta against Iran that you need to vent with us today? Your first attempt was less than stellar so you keep digging? What is the point of this inflammatory post, anyway? Cheap

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: getbush

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: magomago
That doesn't look like it is any kind of law being enforced, nor something that een seems to represent the people. So to stick an angry face next to the word "Iranians" is an extreme generalization that makes it seem like they all do that..

Honestly, just seems like some random sickos that want to take pleasure in the pain of others...You can find similar stuff like this in the US most likely via the same kind of websites (Though I'm not sure of any becaeuse I don't want to watch stuff like that)

But those guys who did that are a-holes...poor kid :'(

These two gay boys, aged 16 and 17, were hung in Iran this year on July 19. Notice the crowds in the background (warning: image is of the teenagers hanging dead from a rope). This kind of thing is, apparently, "public entertainment" in that culture. Therefore the presence of a crowd does not imply that that little boy is not actually being punished.

...so do you have some kind of vendetta against Iran that you need to vent with us today? Your first attempt was lees than stellar so you keep digging? What is the point of this inflammatory post, anyway? Cheap

Hes just showing actual stuff happening in Iran? Whats the big deal?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

So I guess there's no rush to "revise" the OP? So how much Farsi can you read . . . and how did you know it was about "stolen bread?"

As for acting skills, I've got a 1year old and she's already a drama queen. In addition, I seriously doubt that's an 8yo boy. He's preschool likely 4 +/- . . .

Notice only the fist but the kid's head doesn't move either. From frame 2-4 you can see the kids whole head has not moved with respect to the background. In frame 5 you can see most of the kid's head . . . which hasn't moved. In frame 6 you can still see the crown and left lateral aspect of his head which still has not moved with respect to the "Master of Ceremonies" leg.

In fact, the kid's lower body doesn't move either.

Decent acting job . . . if you extrapolate position of the child's arm in frame 3 with respect to the tire aspect in frame 1 . . . he's grimacing but it's highly unlikely the tire is exerting any real force on his forearm.

 

[getbush]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: getbush

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: magomago
That doesn't look like it is any kind of law being enforced, nor something that een seems to represent the people. So to stick an angry face next to the word "Iranians" is an extreme generalization that makes it seem like they all do that..

Honestly, just seems like some random sickos that want to take pleasure in the pain of others...You can find similar stuff like this in the US most likely via the same kind of websites (Though I'm not sure of any becaeuse I don't want to watch stuff like that)

But those guys who did that are a-holes...poor kid :'(

These two gay boys, aged 16 and 17, were hung in Iran this year on July 19. Notice the crowds in the background (warning: image is of the teenagers hanging dead from a rope). This kind of thing is, apparently, "public entertainment" in that culture. Therefore the presence of a crowd does not imply that that little boy is not actually being punished.

...so do you have some kind of vendetta against Iran that you need to vent with us today? Your first attempt was lees than stellar so you keep digging? What is the point of this inflammatory post, anyway? Cheap

Hes just showing actual stuff happening in Iran? Whats the big deal?

Well it's his thread I suppose, but I think the title should be edited to "aidanjm's thread of bad things that happen in Iran."