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Maverick177

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...ers-party-heres-what-he-really-means-by-that/
I asked Trump what he thought the GOP would look like in five years.
“Love the question,” he replied. “Five, 10 years from now — different party. You’re going to have a worker’s party. A party of people that haven’t had a real wage increase in 18 years, that are angry. What I want to do, I think cutting Social Security is a big mistake for the Republican Party. And I know it’s a big part of the budget. Cutting it the wrong way is a big mistake, and even cutting it [at all].”

Why should I defend him? I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm here to shit on HRC.

I was going to say you can't be this stupid, but that'd be wrong. All these years you believed those right wing sites which propagate that fake picture to their dumbshit readers; better to keep pretending it's real because it's too embarrassing otherwise.
No it's photoshopped in the sense it's fake. What it says that you posted it isn't about the picture. Guess I was correct that you wouldn't get it.

I thought that picture is legit, my mistake.
 

agent00f

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Then why aren't you talking about that?


No, you didn't. Robert Byrd is not a KKK Grand "Wizzard"[sic]. He left the KKK in 1952. Fuck's sake man, get an education!

He actually already left by 52, though his statement of only a year in the klan isn't accurate either, but it was clearly in his late 20's.

I'm guessing Maverick's next move is to claim that the democrats were the klan party, which is true enough, before they signed civil rights which caused all the white nationalists to switch (and all the blacks folks to move the other way). Seemed hating on the blacks was more important to those guys than pretty much any other issue in the history of this country.
 

Vic

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Can you believe that the media is contributing to the candidate who hasn't threatened to nationalize their industry? This must be a conspiracy!
 
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Why should I defend him? I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm here to shit on HRC.




I thought that picture is legit, my mistake.
Great. Now you can also acknowledge your mistake that Byrd was never a grand wizard and was only in the klan a couple years in his 20s. Then we will be making progress.
 

Vic

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Why should I defend him? I'm not a Trump supporter. I'm here to shit on HRC.
I'm not asking you to defend him. I was just demonstrating that I can actually prove what I'm saying, while you're just full of shit.
 

agent00f

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Another interesting fact of history while we're at it, the "evangelical vote" was first motivated by the IRS revoking tax exemption for christian schools which set up to be white-only to get around Brown v BoE. Falwell & co decided enough was enough and mobilized their flock to elect a true conservative to replace Carter. Christian mericans weren't too political back then, but I guess they had their reasons to come out in force for that one.
 

Maverick177

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You're either incredibly dishonest or incredibly stupid. Byrd was never a Grand Wizard. He was in the klan for a couple years in the 1940s and early 50s. He then devoted his life to civil rights. The NAACP gave him the highest respect when he died for what he did to advance civil rights in his lifetime.

Now there is a grand wizard who has endorsed one of the candidates publicly this year. Can you guess which one that was?

Your couple of years stretches out as much as it can. Robert Byrd joined the KKK in '42s, then "quit" in '43 supposedly to run for Senate because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision — a jejune and immature outlook — seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions"

However, in '44, in a letter to Theodor Bilbo of MS, he wrote:

I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”

Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=cfhneJPcD38C&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=I+shall+never+fight+in+the+armed+forces+with+a+negro+by+my+side+...+Rather+I+should+die+a+thousand+times,+and+see+Old+Glory+trampled+in+the+dirt+never+to+rise+again,+than+to+see+this+beloved+land+of+ours+become+degraded+by+race+mongrels,+a+throwback+to+the+blackest+specimen+from+the+wilds.”&source=bl&ots=v4IeNxrtre&sig=XfECKNKBkO-wc8lLMPFWZ1E8AIs&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwixsZS4qInQAhUDPiYKHVh0A_wQ6AEIQjAG#v=onepage&q=I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”&f=false

and in '46, in a letter to another wonderful human being, Byrd wrote:

The Klan is needed today as never before, and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/18/AR2005061801105_pf.html

If you don't want to read all of that, I fully understand, However, I want you to read Bill Clit's remark in during Byrd's funeral:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-says-byrd-joined-kkk-to-help-him-get-elected

TL'DR from Bill's remarks: He only joined the KKK to get elected. Interesting..

This guy had a public and a private position, sound familiar?

He actually already left by 52, though his statement of only a year in the klan isn't accurate either, but it was clearly in his late 20's.

I'm guessing Maverick's next move is to claim that the democrats were the klan party, which is true enough, before they signed civil rights which caused all the white nationalists to switch (and all the blacks folks to move the other way). Seemed hating on the blacks was more important to those guys than pretty much any other issue in the history of this country.

Republicans pushed for Civil rights, now why would the racists switch to the GOP?

Can you believe that the media is contributing to the candidate who hasn't threatened to nationalize their industry? This must be a conspiracy!

Well I don't support Trump so I don't know about his stuff.

What I do know is HRC controls / colludes with the liberal media outlets.

Great. Now you can also acknowledge your mistake that Byrd was never a grand wizard and was only in the klan a couple years in his 20s. Then we will be making progress.

Then why aren't you talking about that?


No, you didn't. Robert Byrd is not a KKK Grand "Wizzard"[sic]. He left the KKK in 1952. Fuck's sake man, get an education!

I'm sorry, he probably wasn't a Grand Wizard, he was definitely a Exalted Cyclops though. I never understand what's the difference, they both have ridiculous names for titles.
 
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agent00f

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Republicans pushed for Civil rights, now why would the racists switch to the GOP?

Consider the parallel career of Strom Thurmond, devout opponent of desegregation throughout his career, famous for longest spoken filibuster in history, against civil rights legislation in 57. Do these right wing revisionist sites you get all your history from tell why he switched from D to R in the 60's? To further advance the cause of civil rights? How does that work out in your head?

Surely those sites have no reason to lie to you just like they did with that image.

Since I imagine you might have some trouble finding sources outside of breitbart: http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1894529_1894528_1894521,00.html

"Running for President as a Dixiecrat in 1948, Strom Thurmond declared that "all the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, our schools, our churches and our places of recreation." By 1964, with civil rights marching onward, it was clear that his fellow Democrats disagreed. Thurmond jumped ship, joining the Republican Party that year. The first major Southern pol to cross the aisle during the civil rights era, the South Carolina Senator marked the beginning of the GOP's appeal to white, Southern conservatives, and helped turn a former blue state red."
 

Perknose

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No it's photoshopped in the sense it's fake. What it says that you posted it isn't about the picture. Guess I was correct that you wouldn't get it.


Thank you for this moment of sanity, MomentsofSanity!
 

zinfamous

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Robert Byrd Robert Byrd Robert Byrd! Alt-right idiocy strikes again.

The truth of Robert Bryd really doesn't matter anymore. No matter how often you explain this to idiots, they will continue the "but Robert Byrd!" mantra in some desperate attempt to make all democrats now and the democratic party now "the true racist party!" Truth simply no longer matters to these people. Belief is more important.

And, fundamentally, this speaks volumes to their supposed "forgive a person their crimes if they repent and seek forgiveness" Christian values of the supposed evangelical "moral majority." Once a democrat and once a young fool making terrible mistakes, forever an evil criminal democrat. Full stop. End of discussion.

Once a self-hating closeted homosexual child molester and even later, the same....well, all can be forgiven no matter how often it happens so long as you pray to god forever, call yourself a republican, and continue to support anti-gay legislation. Full stop. end of discussion. Keep being a scum bag, just do "god's work."
 

Genx87

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Just saw this, don't know where to put it, but I've gotta share. I'm not a big bumper sticker guy, but if this is available as one, I'd might just put it on my car:


My my how much things change in 4 short years. The Ruskies are coming for us! I suggest Red Dawn to prepare for imminent invasion.
 

nickqt

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Consider the parallel career of Strom Thurmond, devout opponent of desegregation throughout his career, famous for longest spoken filibuster in history, against civil rights legislation in 57. Do these right wing revisionist sites you get all your history from tell why he switched from D to R in the 60's? To further advance the cause of civil rights? How does that work out in your head?

Surely those sites have no reason to lie to you just like they did with that image.

Since I imagine you might have some trouble finding sources outside of breitbart: http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1894529_1894528_1894521,00.html

"Running for President as a Dixiecrat in 1948, Strom Thurmond declared that "all the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, our schools, our churches and our places of recreation." By 1964, with civil rights marching onward, it was clear that his fellow Democrats disagreed. Thurmond jumped ship, joining the Republican Party that year. The first major Southern pol to cross the aisle during the civil rights era, the South Carolina Senator marked the beginning of the GOP's appeal to white, Southern conservatives, and helped turn a former blue state red."
Don't get caught up in the bullshit. Delusional conservatives love to get people bogged down into details that aren't accurate, all so they can derail the conversation. Here's a look at the actual numbers.

What did Lyndon B. Johnson do to get people to vote Democrat for the next 200 yrs?
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Don't get caught up in the bullshit. Delusional conservatives love to get people bogged down into details that aren't accurate, all so they can derail the conversation. Here's a look at the actual numbers.

What did Lyndon B. Johnson do to get people to vote Democrat for the next 200 yrs?

It's worth tempering this statement:

"To some extent, the North won Civil War I in 1865 through battles. The South won Civil War II in 1876 through politics, in ending Reconstruction and enacting Jim Crow. And the North effectively won Civil War III in 1964 by passing the CRA... because Northerners of both parties told the South to sit and spin."

It was easier for northerners to vote for the CRA due to the structure of segregation, de jure vs de facto, in each their respective societies. Legal segregation in the south meant that blacks often lived in the same geographical neighborhoods as whites, whereas in the north communities were divided more along race lines so it was easier for them to support civil rights without actually integrating with blacks.
 

Jhhnn

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It's worth tempering this statement:

"To some extent, the North won Civil War I in 1865 through battles. The South won Civil War II in 1876 through politics, in ending Reconstruction and enacting Jim Crow. And the North effectively won Civil War III in 1964 by passing the CRA... because Northerners of both parties told the South to sit and spin."

It was easier for northerners to vote for the CRA due to the structure of segregation, de jure vs de facto, in each their respective societies. Legal segregation in the south meant that blacks often lived in the same geographical neighborhoods as whites, whereas in the north communities were divided more along race lines so it was easier for them to support civil rights without actually integrating with blacks.

It might have been easier simply because the North didn't have to change. While northern racism has been around as long as southern racism, it wasn't codified into law as an instrument of State oppression. Some people liked it that way & they'd like for it to be that way again, particularly when it comes to voting.
 

agent00f

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It might have been easier simply because the North didn't have to change. While northern racism has been around as long as southern racism, it wasn't codified into law as an instrument of State oppression. Some people liked it that way & they'd like for it to be that way again, particularly when it comes to voting.

Yes, it just wasn't as consequential of a vote for them. If for example the measure involved busing black kids to their schools and heaven forbid vice versa, you can be sure they'd suddenly turn southerner. This was literally codified in Milliken v. Bradley which purposed excluded de facto segregated places.
 

ivwshane

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Yes, it just wasn't as consequential of a vote for them. If for example the measure involved busing black kids to their schools and heaven forbid vice versa, you can be sure they'd suddenly turn southerner. This was literally codified in Milliken v. Bradley which purposed excluded de facto segregated places.

You saw the John Oliver segment I take it. It was eye opening.
 

buckshot24

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Nate Silver still has Hillary with a 23% chance to win. So there is still a chance.
 

bozack

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Shows how much good all of those editorial endorsements did for her....talk about an upset. #silentmajority is right.
 
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