80nm Arrives.

[Wreckage]

http://www.techreport.com/onearticle.x/10802

How long till GPUs hit 65.

 

[jhill1]

my god, in the last month and a half, including the ones mentioned in that article, theres been like 8 or 9 new cards, and all of them rite before dx10

 

[josh6079]

I wonder what nm the G80/R600 refreshes will be. 65?

Also, how much of a difference is seen in terms of performance and overclockability in going from 90 nm's to 80?

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: josh6079

Also, how much of a difference is seen in terms of performance and overclockability in going from 90 nm's to 80?

Well the first product is a mobile chip so I imagine there is some heat\power savings.

 

[jiffylube1024]

NVidia has taken a page out of ATI's book - try out a new process on a low performance budget card. Looks like they've beaten ATI to the punch.

Josh - I'm pretty sure G80/R600 will start at 80nm (remember flagship cards, 5800FX aside, don't release on new processes). So yeah, the refresh or sequels would be on 65nm.

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Regarding performance and overclockability - I wouldn't expect too much. The main improvement will be the reduced die size, meaning the budget cards will be cheaper to make and the premium cards can cram a few more transistors in the same die space they are currently using.

Plus remember, if we know anything about R600/G80 at all, it's that the're going to be big, run hot and eat lots and lots of power. Aside from that, your guess is as good as mine...

 

[BFG10K]

80 nm or not, I hope G80 does not require an external power brick.

 

[fierydemise]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024
Josh - I'm pretty sure G80/R600 will start at 80nm (remember flagship cards, 5800FX aside, don't release on new processes). So yeah, the refresh or sequels would be on 65nm.

Actually the X1800 was also released on a new process (90nm) but I think your probably right G80 and R600 will be 80nm

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
80 nm or not, I hope G80 does not require an external power brick.

I hope it does (assuming its power hungry like R600), I'd rather have an external brick than be required to go out and buy a 600w uber expensive PSU.

 

[Paratus]

Here let me start it:

Does 80nm let them do HDR+AA?

I kid I kid

 

[Paratus]

 

[SNIP3R]

Originally posted by: Paratus
Here let me start it:

Does 80nm let them do HDR+AA?

I kid I kid

HEHE

 

[LittleNemoNES]

Originally posted by: SNIP3R

Originally posted by: Paratus
Here let me start it:

Does 80nm let them do HDR+AA?

I kid I kid

HEHE

Hey nice PC -- planning on OCing that e6700? I was gonna go with your Abit Mobo but I needed at least 1 PCI slot for my X-Fi.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K
80 nm or not, I hope G80 does not require an external power brick.

I hope it does (assuming its power hungry like R600), I'd rather have an external brick than be required to go out and buy a 600w uber expensive PSU.

I agree. The extrenal PSU means, we dont have to worry about 12 rails and the amps, etc. It also gets rid of the PSU heating up eveything time your running a 3d intensive app.

Anyhow, i heard that the 7650 GS (80nm) refresh uses the same PCB as the 7600 series. 80nm can potentially mean reduced die space, heat and even more OCability due to the headroom created by it.

Im interested about how the X1650XT will stack up to the 7600GT. Not to mention these G73 80nm refreshes can potentially unlock the final quad in the G73 making the 7650 series have 16 pipes rather than 12. All with the 128bit memory interface however ...

 

[amenx]

Power bricks are a great option for SLI users allowing them to keep their old PSU. I think it makes for an overall stabler system IMO. They're already on sale: http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Power/PurePower/w0099/w0099.asp

May be a good idea for other power hungry cards as well, like the x1900xtx.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K
80 nm or not, I hope G80 does not require an external power brick.

I hope it does (assuming its power hungry like R600), I'd rather have an external brick than be required to go out and buy a 600w uber expensive PSU.

I agree. The extrenal PSU means, we dont have to worry about 12 rails and the amps, etc. It also gets rid of the PSU heating up eveything time your running a 3d intensive app.

Anyhow, i heard that the 7650 GS (80nm) refresh uses the same PCB as the 7600 series. 80nm can potentially mean reduced die space, heat and even more OCability due to the headroom created by it.

Im interested about how the X1650XT will stack up to the 7600GT. Not to mention these G73 80nm refreshes can potentially unlock the final quad in the G73 making the 7650 series have 16 pipes rather than 12. All with the 128bit memory interface however ...

Given the pretty awful results 7600GTs gain from ocing around (and i've seen people get some crazy ocs on the mem), i wouldn't hold your breath that it will take it to a dramatically new level...we'll see

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: amenx
Power bricks are a great option for SLI users allowing them to keep their old PSU. I think it makes for an overall stabler system IMO. They're already on sale: http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Power/PurePower/w0099/w0099.asp

May be a good idea for other power hungry cards as well, like the x1900xtx.

No. That's a load of crap. Next you will need a 3 slot cooler and ear plugs.

Moving to a smaller process should help with power and heat.

 

[SpeedZealot369]

I thought the x1950xtx was made on 80nm?

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: SpeedZealot369
I thought the x1950xtx was made on 80nm?

Nope. It uses the cherry picked R580 cores.

Only the R560/570 is on 80nm.

 

[josh6079]

Originally posted by: amenx
Power bricks are a great option for SLI users allowing them to keep their old PSU. I think it makes for an overall stabler system IMO. They're already on sale: http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Power/PurePower/w0099/w0099.asp

May be a good idea for other power hungry cards as well, like the x1900xtx.

Hey, what cards are those in that picture?

 

[Gstanfor]

They are Leadtek 6800GT/Ultra's.

 

[josh6079]

Ah, I see. Thanks.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: amenx
Power bricks are a great option for SLI users allowing them to keep their old PSU. I think it makes for an overall stabler system IMO. They're already on sale: http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Power/PurePower/w0099/w0099.asp

May be a good idea for other power hungry cards as well, like the x1900xtx.

That's not a power brick, that is a power supply - just in a 5.25" drive format... The "power brick" people are referring to is the idea that a video card might have it's own external power adapter that plugs into the wall and into the video card externally. It is somewhat of a hair splitting distinction I know, but there is a difference nonetheless.

 

[Paratus]

Asus made an Oc'd X1800XT & a dual gpu 7800 card that used an external brick.