8600/8300 Ultra/GT/GS combo's spotted

[REMF]

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36963

based off the 8600 spec:

500Mhz core
64 shaders
1400Mhz memory
256bit

do you think this card would be significantly faster than my XFX 7950GT?

i would buy an 8800GTS now, except i need a card that is no longer than a 7950GT or it won't fit in my Silverstone LC16-M case.

regards

 

[Nightmare225]

Should be almost as fast as two 7950GTs, by speculation.

 

[REMF]

if this is the case, then it would inded make a good upgrade.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Should be almost as fast as two 7950GTs, by speculation.

pure speculation ... and they won't even be released for two months

nvidia is simply replacing the 7000 series with the 8000series ... DX10 will be the 'selling feature'

look at the MSRPs for "performance clues'

Name Core Memory Speed Memory Size Memory Bus No. Shaders Est. Price
8300 GS 500 MHz 1000 MHz Upto 256MB 128bit 24 $79
8300 GT 500 MHz 1200 MHz Upto 256MB 128bit 32 $99
8600 GT 350 MHz 1200 MHz Upto 256MB 256bit 48 $129
8600 Ultra 500 MHz 1400 MHz Upto 512MB 256bit 64 $179
8800 GTS 500 MHz 1600 MHz 320MB 320bit 96 $299
8800 GTS 500 MHz 1600 MHz 640MB 320bit 96 $399
8800 GTX 575 MHz 1900 MHz 768MB 384bit 128 $599

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I guess the jump from 7600GT->8600GT should be equal to the one from 6600GT->7600GT? That was around double, right? (At the target 1280x1024 resolution for mid-range products)

I know 6800 Ultra -> 7800GTX was a significant one...doubling in some cases. Similarly, 7800GTX -> 8800GTX was INSANE.

I guess good things can be expected from 8600GT/Ultra. Say, X1900XT performance? (Pure speculation here)

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

I've seen this as a good rule of thumb.
High-end = twice as fast as previous generation high-end
Mid-end = fast as last generation high-end, usually with more features
Low-end = unpredictable, but very slow

 

[Wreckage]

Originally posted by: apoppin
pure speculation ... and they won't even be released for two months

R600? :laugh:

 

[40sTheme]

What we should be looking at is how it will perform under DirectX 10 circumstances. You cannot say that any of these cards are on-par with any current-gen card because DX10 is highly optimized and effiecient. From what I have seen as far as Crysis performance goes (see other thread on this forum), DX10 opens up new doors in GPU performance. No DX9 speculation will be worth it at this point because they will still perform better for what they are ultimately being engineered for.

 

[tvdang7]

8600 Ultra 500 MHz 1400 MHz Upto 512MB 256bit 64 $179
looks nice. x1900xt level for less than 200.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Wreckage

Originally posted by: apoppin
pure speculation ... and they won't even be released for two months

R600? :laugh:

yeah, that too

--but what does r600 have to do with this discussion?
:Q

 

[secretanchitman]

7600GT = 6800GT/6800 Ultra (from what ive seen)
8600GT = 7900GT/7900GTX?
8800GTS/GTX = insane

 

[Cookie Monster]

The 8600 ultra really does sound like a beast for its MSRP. It could put pressure on ATI big time because even with having similiar performance (i.e X1950xt etc) the card according to the picutre looks smaller and has no 6 pin PCI-e connectors. (Although the picture could be showing us the GT variant)

I really dont know if they will bring back the ultra moniker though. Sure does sound great but didnt NVIDIA kill it long time ago?

 

[blazer78]

Any word on whether an AGP version will come out?

 

[REMF]

what worries me is the indication on the Hardforums that the Ultra may be delayed until Q3.

 

[lopri]

I am trying not to sound offensive, but out of a genuine curiosity - What CPUs do you guys still use on AGP platform? Decent Socket 939/AM2/775 boards can be found for as low as $50~100. If you're using Socket 754/478 CPUs, chances are these shiny new GPUs won't do much for your overall gaming experience.

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: blazer78
Any word on whether an AGP version will come out?

AGP is deaaaaaaadddddddd...

 

[40sTheme]

Originally posted by: Roguestar

Originally posted by: blazer78
Any word on whether an AGP version will come out?

AGP is deaaaaaaadddddddd...

Agreed. I think with the next generation, there may be 1 or 2 AGP releases at low-mid range, but then nV and ATi are going to drop the platform entirely. I even somewhat doubt ANY AGP releases.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: 40sTheme

Originally posted by: Roguestar

Originally posted by: blazer78
Any word on whether an AGP version will come out?

AGP is deaaaaaaadddddddd...

Agreed. I think with the next generation, there may be 1 or 2 AGP releases at low-mid range, but then nV and ATi are going to drop the platform entirely. I even somewhat doubt ANY AGP releases.

nonsense

the x1950p ... the x1950xtx and perhaps the 1950px2 will be AGP

nvidia has to answer

there is no reason the 8600 series will be PCIe only ... there are still a lot of AGP machines around ... dying ... yes ...

... dead, not yet

btw, your PCIe is gonna be replaced with PCIE2

 

[Roguestar]

AGP died with AM2 and LGA775. Practically no new package PCs from the likes of Dell will use an AGP card, and anyone buying a new AM2 or LGA775 motherboard will pick up a PCI-E slot one. There's just nowhere near enough demand for "high-end" AGP cards when the boards that use them are inevitably older and will become more and more bottlenecked by the dead-end CPU upgrade limitations. Even newer boards like the 965P Asrock Dual775 have AGP and PCI-E so people can stagger their upgrades; buy a Core 2 Duo with their high-end [for] AGP card and not have to shell out for a PCI-E card at the same time but the odds are their next graphics card purchase will then be a PCI-E card because they now have the slot and are not limited to AGP any more.

Newer cards for D3D10 are, in my opinion, unlikely to be released on AGP because D3D10 is a Vista-only thing. You aren't going to get many pre-built PCs with AGP certified as "Vista ready" given the older age bracket AGP puts them in.

PCIe 2 is backward compatible so no worries about sticking your current PCIE card in and not fretting about it.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Roguestar
AGP died with AM2 and LGA775. Practically no new package PCs from the likes of Dell will use an AGP card, and anyone buying a new AM2 or LGA775 motherboard will pick up a PCI-E slot one. There's just nowhere near enough demand for "high-end" AGP cards when the boards that use them are inevitably older and will become more and more bottlenecked by the dead-end CPU upgrade limitations. Even newer boards like the 965P Asrock Dual775 have AGP and PCI-E so people can stagger their upgrades; buy a Core 2 Duo with their high-end [for] AGP card and not have to shell out for a PCI-E card at the same time but the odds are their next graphics card purchase will then be a PCI-E card because they now have the slot and are not limited to AGP any more.

Newer cards for D3D10 are, in my opinion, unlikely to be released on AGP because D3D10 is a Vista-only thing. You aren't going to get many pre-built PCs with AGP certified as "Vista ready" given the older age bracket AGP puts them in.

PCIe 2 is backward compatible so no worries about sticking your current PCIE card in and not fretting about it.

tell that to ATi ... we can expect x1950xt in AGP

No answer from nvidia?

i doubt it

i hope NO ONE is buying a 8800/8600 DX 10 card for DX 10 games ... there aren't ANY
:Q


and who wants to stick a new PCIe2 card in a slot that holds it back?

 

[Cookie Monster]

According to a Beyond3d member it wont be 256bit but rather 128bit. You would expect the chip to be pin to pin compatible with the G73s. Also mentions that clockspeeds arent a limiting factor, so we could see clock speeds up to 1ghz or more.

 

[Roguestar]

Originally posted by: apoppin
tell that to ATi ... we can expect x1950xt in AGP

No answer from nvidia?

i doubt it

i hope NO ONE is buying a 8800/8600 DX 10 card for DX 10 games ... there aren't ANY
:Q

and who wants to stick a new PCIe2 card in a slot that holds it back?

True, I'm just sensible and don't make the big marketing decisions . "They've got one? Then we've got to have one! No, two! Three, even! And bigger than theirs!" tit-for-tat marketing is pretty commonplace even when it doesn't make sense . I didn't know that there were plans for the X1950XT on AGP, though. That's new to me and to be honest seems like they're just digging AGP out of its grave to get money from the last few stragglers that are interested in upgrading their graphics card but putting off a whole system rebuild (like, anyone with a socket 939 motherboard with AGP - if they're going to buy a new motherboard they'd go the whole hog and make it AM2 if they have sense...).

I think they should stop AGP living on borrowed time and pay more attention to PCI-E, especially bulking out their mid-range cards.

People buying with D3D10 in mind aren't buying because there are games using it out now, but because they can get the best DX9 performance now and be sure that when Crysis, UT2007, Halo 2 PC and the like finally come out that they're all set for total compatibility.

 

[apoppin]

no matter what you or i *think* -- it's ALL about money
[and more than half of all rigs are still AGP]

AGP will die ...eventually ... a 'natural' death --when consumers decide ... not the GPU's marketing departments.

Look at how long it too for PCI cards to die ...
{they didn't}

and all these *half-assed DX10* games are due late in Q2

IF i could get my AGP P4 up to near 5Ghz ... i'd keep it at least another year ... a xtx in AGP or x1950px2 would 'fit' nicecly
:Q

 

[imported_RedStar]

it is not the inquirer. It is merely the inquirer quoting another source..
like:
http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/11631

PCIe2 spec is finalised ... so starts the death rattle of pci-express v1

http://techreport.com/onearticle.x/11635

 

[DeathReborn]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
According to a Beyond3d member it wont be 256bit but rather 128bit. You would expect the chip to be pin to pin compatible with the G73s. Also mentions that clockspeeds arent a limiting factor, so we could see clock speeds up to 1ghz or more.

The picture could be of a 8300 (it's not clearly marked as anything) which would explain no Power Connector and the 6600/7600 PCB.