860k or fx6300 or g3258

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TheELF

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But DX12 is going to make those 4 module FX chips age surprisingly well..even though they are currently dead-ish.
Dx12 is going to get rid of the driver thread(driver/api overhead) ,games today have 4 threads MAXIMUM (threads that get high % so are essential for speed, caused by ps4 hardware the main threads run on one of the two cpus so 4 threads max) vga thread included,so dx12 is going to make slow quads even more redundant than they already are because there will be even less threads to run and dual cores will become even faster for the same reason.
 

Shehriazad

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Dx12 is going to get rid of the driver thread(driver/api overhead) ,games today have 4 threads MAXIMUM (threads that get high % so are essential for speed, caused by ps4 hardware the main threads run on one of the two cpus so 4 threads max) vga thread included,so dx12 is going to make slow quads even more redundant than they already are because there will be even less threads to run and dual cores will become even faster for the same reason.

I can't even right now...


Many NEW titles support 4 cores/threads as standard and a bunch of them even go beyond 4 cores.

And yes, the overhead reduction will benefit core 0 the most...but that does not change the fact that games from this year and on will be optimized to actually use 4 threads...or even more.

And guess what...if 2 cores have to do the work of 4 threads...then even "slow quads" suddenly stand a chance again.


Look at this....even a dual core with hyperthreading manages to be REALLY close to a 4.8 Ghz Pentium



Cores/threads matter...a lot. Those 1.3 Ghz difference are not enough to place it above a "FAKE quad core" enough to call it a real victory...now look at the real quad..and boom the pentium is in the dirt(We are talking 50% difference even though the pentium is 1.3 Ghz higher clocked and approach 100%!!!! vs the non OCd version).

Sure, the 860K is nowhere near in IPC..but while the single threaded IPC only went up a little bit, the multithread IPC of Kaveri jumped quite a bit.
And if you OC it a little it will win over the i3 and the pentium VERY easily thanks to DX12. Let's put aside that in quad core utilizing games with some OCing it can already throw down the gloves vs the i3s that are actually a higher price class. (4.5 should be possible on almost any chip with the 860K).

So if you have GAMING in mind for as cheap as possible while looking into the future...that 65$-70$ QUAD core is a solid choice...if you don't mind that there is no real upgrade path.


Obviously if you have the money...you should be taking an FX 6/8 or an i5/i7
 
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TheELF

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Games today have more than 4 threads.

Again with thief? The in-build benchmark may use more threads but inside the game you get only 1 thread (and another 2-3 threads that spike up a bit whenever needed)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KvLwBS3pEo
Simple no.
The disappearing driver thread's % will go straight to the working threads on a dual because it runs on the same core as those threads


On a quad the driver thread (more often than not, if not almost always) already runs on its own core all by itself so you will only get lower cpu usage.
(remember how they advertised lower battery consumption for dx12? )
 

DrMrLordX

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okan since you already have a mobo for the FX, just go for the 6300

Not worth spending money on a new board + processor

Can't understand the reasoning behind recommending a Pentium when he already got a board that can take the FX.

What you said.
 

PG

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4 threads max? Are you kidding me? How many times to you need to be proven wrong on this subject before you give it a rest?

 
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Nice shifting to the off topic theory (hope, dream??) of how DX12 is going to magically transform AMD processors.

In any case, seems pretty well established the 6300 is the best choice if the existing motherboard will work. Messing around with the BIOS does seem a bit risky, but at worst the OP might have to buy a new motherboard, which he would have to do anyway with the other 2 processors.
 

LTC8K6

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okan since you already have a mobo for the FX, just go for the 6300

Not worth spending money on a new board + processor

Can't understand the reasoning behind recommending a Pentium when he already got a board that can take the FX.

No real upgrade path with the FX-6300, assuming you can get it to work in a board where it's not officially supported.

With the G3258, he can put an i7-4790 in it 2 years down the road, and get a huge performance boost.

His vid card is pretty weak, so there's not much worry about gaming bottlenecks.

That was my reasoning.
 
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AtenRa

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Again with thief? The in-build benchmark may use more threads but inside the game you get only 1 thread (and another 2-3 threads that spike up a bit whenever needed)

Completely wrong, Thief uses more than one thread. You will have to use a second Monitor and play the game in full screen to register all the threads.

 

Face2Face

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FX-6300 is probably not much faster than the G3258 in GTA5, though.

I picked the G3258 because it is socket 1150, and a much faster CPU can be put in down the road, so more future proof, I think.

GTA V at minimum recommends a Quad-Core CPU -

This reviewer couldn't get his G3258 to even run the game at all -

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1911-gta-v-cpu-benchmark-4790k-3570k-9590-more

For GTA V, i'm pretty sure the FX-6300 would slap that Pentium around, but for future expansion, obviously the 1150 socket is where it's at.

On another note. My 3570K bottlenecks my GTX 780 @ 1440p in this game. My CPU usage is usually around 90-100% on all cores... game is a killer.
 

LTC8K6

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GTA V at minimum recommends a Quad-Core CPU -

This reviewer couldn't get his G3258 to even run the game at all -

http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1911-gta-v-cpu-benchmark-4790k-3570k-9590-more

For GTA V, i'm pretty sure the FX-6300 would slap that Pentium around, but for future expansion, obviously the 1150 socket is where it's at.

On another note. My 3570K bottlenecks my GTX 780 @ 1440p in this game. My CPU usage is usually around 90-100% on all cores... game is a killer.

I repeat, he is using a GTX460 768mb video card.
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-460/specifications
 

LTC8K6

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Doesn't change the fact that a FX 6300 would still offer better performance in GTA V over the Pentium, especially at lower resolutions, which he will have to play in because of his older VC (Which pretty much meets or beats the minimum system requirements)

I'm confident that there will be no noticeable difference.

Since he has already decided to go with the dead end FX-6300, I don't care anymore. :biggrin:
 

Face2Face

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I'm confident that there will be no noticeable difference.

Since he has already decided to go with the dead end FX-6300, I don't care anymore. :biggrin:



Now it's time for him to upgrade that video card!!
 

Gikaseixas

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With the G3258, he can put an i7-4790 in it 2 years down the road, and get a huge performance boost.

In 2 years there will be several options and better ones from Intel and who knows even Zen. Plus it will be nice to have DDR4

His vid card is pretty weak, so there's not much worry about gaming bottlenecks. That was my reasoning.

Gaming is not his priority, we're on the same page here. FX runs circles around Pentiums in non gaming scenarios... for the most part
 

cbn

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With the G3258, he can put an i7-4790 in it 2 years down the road, and get a huge performance boost.
In 2 years there will be several options and better ones from Intel and who knows even Zen. Plus it will be nice to have DDR4

A depreciated i7 2600 does well against a new i5-4670 though:

i7 2600 ($150 on ebay "buy it now" listings, 95W): 8269 CPU marks http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-2600+@+3.40GHz
i5 4670 ($224, 84W): 7407 CPU marks http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4670+@+3.40GHz

So we may see a similar relationship occur in the future.
 

TheELF

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4 threads max? Are you kidding me? How many times to you need to be proven wrong on this subject before you give it a rest?
Is this a graphics engine benchmark just like aten's thief benchmark?
Show us the threads.

Completely wrong, Thief uses more than one thread. You will have to use a second Monitor and play the game in full screen to register all the threads.

You do see those threads even in the video.
Exactly what I said "threads that get high % so are essential for speed"
You get one thread of 22,99% out of 25% which is the maximum for your quad,that is where all your speed comes from,just look at the cycles delta of this thread in relation to the rest of the threads,the faster this thread goes the faster the game runs.
The dual only gets around 30-35% out of 50% (60-70 out of 100%) because it needs to run the other stuff,but how much faster is the core of a g3258?
Even if the main thread only runs at 25% on the g3258 because it runs 4 major threads it will still be faster than amd quads.
 
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AtenRa

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Is this a graphics engine benchmark just like aten's thief benchmark?
Show us the threads.

This is from BF 3 Caspian map Online Multiplayer real gaming.


You do see those threads even in the video.
Exactly what I said "threads that get high % so are essential for speed"
You get one thread of 22,99% out of 25% which is the maximum for your quad,that is where all your speed comes from,the faster this thread goes the faster the game runs.
The dual only gets around 30-35% out of 50% (60-70 out of 100%) because it needs to run the other stuff,but how much faster is the core of a g3258?
Even if the main thread only runs at 25% on the g3258 because it runs 4 major threads it will still be faster than amd quads.

1: You said Thief is only using a single thread in game.

2: The Haswell Pentium G3420 at 3.2GHz is not faster even than the 2.6GHz Core 2 Quad 9450 and slower than the Piledriver Athlon 750K with Mantle.

And dont forget Thief is using the Unreal Engine 3, a very old game engine. Latest engines are using more than 4 threads more efficiently and the dual cores even with Mantle or DX-12 will only lag behind.
 

okan1919

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GA-870-usb3l doesn't support FX-6300 and other Visheras, only certain Bulldozers:

http://www.gigabyte.com/support-downloads/cpu-support-popup.aspx?pid=3801

Yes, but ga-870a-usb3 support. Someone who use with fx 8350 send me a bios software ( it is modified from usb3 bios, same motherboard with little different)


And guys,
fx 6300 is very cheap among others ( about 75$). Why throw extra 60-70$ , and upgrade idea's probability too little.
I can drink something with this 60-70$ , like beer, rakı :biggrin:
 

AtenRa

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Yes, but ga-870a-usb3 support. Someone who use with fx 8350 send me a bios software ( it is modified from usb3 bios, same motherboard with little different)


And guys,
fx 6300 is very cheap among others ( about 75$). Why throw extra 60-70$ , and upgrade idea's probability too little.
I can drink something with this 60-70$ , like beer, rakı :biggrin:

:thumbsup: :biggrin:
 
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