860k or fx6300 or g3258

[Gikaseixas]

Yes, but ga-870a-usb3 support. Someone who use with fx 8350 send me a bios software ( it is modified from usb3 bios, same motherboard with little different)


And guys,
fx 6300 is very cheap among others ( about 75$). Why throw extra 60-70$ , and upgrade idea's probability too little.
I can drink something with this 60-70$ , like beer, rakı :biggrin:

There you go dude

 

[LTC8K6]

Yes, but ga-870a-usb3 support. Someone who use with fx 8350 send me a bios software ( it is modified from usb3 bios, same motherboard with little different)


And guys,
fx 6300 is very cheap among others ( about 75$). Why throw extra 60-70$ , and upgrade idea's probability too little.
I can drink something with this 60-70$ , like beer, rakı :biggrin:

Then why did you post about it? You already knew that.

I predict disappointment with the FX-6300 in about a year, and a new post about which new board and CPU you should buy. :biggrin:

 

[Gikaseixas]

I predict disappointment with the FX-6300 in about a year, and a new post about which new board and CPU you should buy

Haha so that Pentium would last longer?? :awe:

 

[LTC8K6]

Haha so that Pentium would last longer?? :awe:

Not reading the thread is a good way to make yourself look bad.

 

[Gikaseixas]

Not reading the thread is a good way to make yourself look bad.

I read it, you're simply ignoring a few facts that's all
Your suggestion applies to you

 

[LTC8K6]

I read it, you're simply ignoring a few facts that's all
Your suggestion applies to you

If you read the thread, then your post about the Pentium lasting longer makes absolutely no sense to me, since I never said or even hinted at any such thing.

So, can you clear that up?

Why did you mention the Pentium lasting longer as if it was something I said?

 

[soccerballtux]

i have 6 gb (2+4 1600 mhz kington)
think to add 4 gb ( total 8 gb, becuse only 2 dimm)

for 30 tabs, you need more RAM. 16 GB

 

[Gikaseixas]

If you read the thread, then your post about the Pentium lasting longer makes absolutely no sense to me, since I never said or even hinted at any such thing.

So, can you clear that up?

Why did you mention the Pentium lasting longer as if it was something I said?

Thread is about Athlon vs FX vs Pentium

If you don't know that by now... See your own recommendation when OP has a AMD board already, does not compute.

With the G3258, he can put an i7-4790 in it 2 years down the road, and get a huge performance boost

 

[LTC8K6]

Thread is about Athlon vs FX vs Pentium

If you don't know that by now... See your own recommendation when OP has a AMD board already, does not compute.

Yes, nothing about the G3258 lasting longer, where did you get that? The G3258's socket is far more upgradeable.

I stand by that statement totally.

It's absolutely correct in my opinion.

He can upgrade the Socket 1150 a lot later on when he needs more performance. There are even Broadwell chips for it.

He can't upgrade the Socket AM3/3+ at all, really, it's been dead for a while. The FX-6300 isn't even officially supported on that board in the first place, so that can cause problems right away. He is using a BIOS he got from somebody.

Now what? I would still offer the same advice. Get the G3258 and a new 1150 board.

And why the hell are you trying to correct an opinion, anyway?

Makes no sense as it's just one person's opinion, that was requested, not a law.

 

[AtenRa]

Yes, nothing about the G3258 lasting longer, where did you get that? The G3258's socket is far more upgradeable.

I stand by that statement totally.

It's absolutely correct in my opinion.

He can upgrade the Socket 1150 a lot later on when he needs more performance. There are even Broadwell chips for it.

He can't upgrade the Socket AM3/3+ at all, really, it's been dead for a while. The FX-6300 isn't even officially supported on that board in the first place, so that can cause problems right away. He is using a BIOS he got from somebody.

Now what? I would still offer the same advice. Get the G3258 and a new 1150 board.

And why the hell are you trying to correct an opinion, anyway?

Makes no sense as it's just one person's opinion, that was requested, not a law.

That reasoning is wrong,

Not only he will spend more for a new socket 1150 motherboard AND a Dual Core Pentium in the first place, he will also need to upgrade the Pentium way sooner than the FX6300.

When he will need to upgrade the FX6300 he will be able to choose from a new AMD ZEN and/or new Intel Socket 1151, both new platforms with DDR4 and more features than current 1150 socket motherboards today.

 

[LTC8K6]

That reasoning is wrong,

Not only he will spend more for a new socket 1150 motherboard AND a Dual Core Pentium in the first place, he will also need to upgrade the Pentium way sooner than the FX6300.

When he will need to upgrade the FX6300 he will be able to choose from a new AMD ZEN and/or new Intel Socket 1151, both new platforms with DDR4 and more features than current 1150 socket motherboards today.

No, those are our opinions. Neither one is really wrong.

For me, a G3258 and mobo combo is just over $100.

Well worth it to last a few years.

An FX-6300 and a questionable board are not the best solution to me.
I'd sell the FX-6300.

 

[Gikaseixas]

When he will need to upgrade the FX6300 he will be able to choose from a new AMD ZEN

exactly this, or a new Intel cpu for that matter, something new with the latest tech.
Telling people to choose a Pentium over a FX 6300 is just wrong, specially when they will not use it to play games

 

[Gikaseixas]

snip

Calm down dude
You're entitled to your opinion, although it is wrong in my opinion :biggrin:

 

[LTC8K6]

exactly this, or a new Intel cpu for that matter, something new with the latest tech.
Telling people to choose a Pentium over a FX 6300 is just wrong, specially when they will not use it to play games

Zen will require a new motherboard also.

A 4790K or 5775C won't. They will fit in the G3258 mobo.

That's obviously the correct opinion.

 

[TheELF]

1: You said Thief is only using a single thread in game.

2: The Haswell Pentium G3420 at 3.2GHz is not faster even than the 2.6GHz Core 2 Quad 9450 and slower than the Piledriver Athlon 750K with Mantle.

And dont forget Thief is using the Unreal Engine 3, a very old game engine. Latest engines are using more than 4 threads more efficiently and the dual cores even with Mantle or DX-12 will only lag behind.

You do see those threads even in the video.
Exactly what I said "threads that get high % so are essential for speed"
You get one thread of 22,99% out of 25% which is the maximum for your quad,that is where all your speed comes from,just look at the cycles delta of this thread in relation to the rest of the threads,the faster this thread goes the faster the game runs.
The dual only gets around 30-35% out of 50% (60-70 out of 100%) because it needs to run the other stuff,but how much faster is the core of a g3258?
Even if the main thread only runs at 25% on the g3258 because it runs 4 major threads it will still be faster than amd quads.

1. Seriously, do you even read?I quoted what I said originally.
2. The g3258 is not faster in running a single thread? Seriously?
3. If there are better games then why do you keep showing us this one, over and over and over again?

 

[TheELF]

For me, a G3258 and mobo combo is just over $100.

A 4790K or 5775C won't. They will fit in the G3258 mobo.

Common, just because you can doesn't mean that you should.
If you gonna dish out for one of those CPUs you gonna go for a good mobo as well.
Which means that you probably gonna go for a completely new architecture,unless you find a really good deal.

 

[LTC8K6]

Common, just because you can doesn't mean that you should.
If you gonna dish out for one of those CPUs you gonna go for a good mobo as well.
Which means that you probably gonna go for a completely new architecture,unless you find a really good deal.

Does anyone look at the smileys at all?

He would be dishing out for used CPU's two years down the road to upgrade his G3258...

Does anyone even read the thread at all?

Christ on a pogo stick!

When did people start treating opinions like writs from a judge?
I didn't know I was making laws when I gave opinions.

My opinion still hasn't changed.

He should get a G3258 and mobo, and upgrade it later when he needs to.

That's what I think, and I don't care if you think differently.

When I am asked for my opinion, I'm going to give my opinion.

If you think I'm ordering people around, well, I can't do much about what you think.

 

[AtenRa]

1. Seriously, do you even read?I quoted what I said originally.
2. The g3258 is not faster in running a single thread? Seriously?
3. If there are better games then why do you keep showing us this one, over and over and over again?

1: For the million time, yes one thread has higher utilization but the rest of the threads contribute to the overall performance. see 2.

2: If what you are saying was true, then the Haswell Pentium would be faster than Core 2 Quad 9450 at 2.6GHz and from Piledriver Athlon 750K. Since the Pentium is the slowest CPU in Thief with mantle, it means that that you are wrong.

3. You were saying that BF4 doesnt use more than 2 threads but i have proved you wrong in that one too. Do you want me to show you more CPU utilization in more Mantle games ???

 

[AtenRa]

Ok this is with Core i7 3770K @ 4.44GHz and HD7950 @ 1GHz

Dragon Age Inquisition with Mantle. Settings custom, some on Ultra some on High.
As you can see there are more than 4 threads, and no a Dual Core will not be faster than a quad even if it has higher ST performance.

 

[iSkylaker]

IMO if I had to choose in what to spend $100-110, between a FX-6300 or a H81 chipset + G3258, I would choose the later because of the better upgrade path.
I'm pretty sure a Haswell i5-4670 or i5-4690 wont be that far in performance compared to Skylake counterparts and I don't think that playing for 3, 4 or 5 months with that dual-core while saving for a better CPU would be much of a problem, specially when there is little to no new games right now, after E3 if anything new is announced will most likely be released around the end of the year.

The FX-6300 on the other hand if you get disappointed the only option you would think about is Intel, and It will cost you much more than $110... but then again, just my two cent.

 

[TheELF]

1: For the million time, yes one thread has higher utilization but the rest of the threads contribute to the overall performance. see 2.

2: If what you are saying was true, then the Haswell Pentium would be faster than Core 2 Quad 9450 at 2.6GHz and from Piledriver Athlon 750K. Since the Pentium is the slowest CPU in Thief with mantle, it means that that you are wrong.

3. You were saying that BF4 doesnt use more than 2 threads but i have proved you wrong in that one too. Do you want me to show you more CPU utilization in more Mantle games ???

1 I never said they don't contribute,I said that speed comes only from the highest thread,the contribution lies in freeing up the main core to be as fast as possible.

2 Did you ever get into the trouble to look at the threads of the benchmark and compare that to the threads of the actual game?
A vga benchmark is not the same as a cpu benchmark.

3 Halo back in 2001 used more than two threads,so what?
You still only get speed from only one thread, the highest % thread.

4 So thats your argument? A game that runs with only 40% on 8 cores/4cores+ht?
(and ~24% of that on only 2 cores)
That's the best you can come up with?
An i3 with higher single speed will be faster at running that game.

 

[Shehriazad]

Man..just look at witcher 3 as a prime example.


On a 4790K it will easily use all 8 threads @ up to 80% at the same time. (Same for the FX8350)

A g3258 OCd @ 4.5 Ghz(!!!) will also be significantly slower than an i3 4130 with the minimums dropping below 30 fps in some situations while the i3 can manage just fine.

Not sure why anyone is trying to convince people that it's still 2011.


Either way..he got his FX6300..which is an all around super legit choice...and yea, Intel does have the better upgrade path right now...but let's never forget the price at which that comes. Plus you might not want to run some high end 4790K or something like that on some shabby low end board with bad chipset, either.

 

[AtenRa]

1 I never said they don't contribute,I said that speed comes only from the highest thread,the contribution lies in freeing up the main core to be as fast as possible.

2 Did you ever get into the trouble to look at the threads of the benchmark and compare that to the threads of the actual game?
A vga benchmark is not the same as a cpu benchmark.

3 Halo back in 2001 used more than two threads,so what?
You still only get speed from only one thread, the highest % thread.


4 So thats your argument? A game that runs with only 40% on 8 cores/4cores+ht?
(and ~24% of that on only 2 cores)
That's the best you can come up with?
An i3 with higher single speed will be faster at running that game.

Dragon Age Inquisition with MEDIUM preset settings.


Core i7 3770K @ 4,44GHz ONLY WITH 2x Cores 4x Threads

Core i7 3770K @ 2,54GHz with 4x Cores 8x Threads

Even with 2GHz higher clocks (way faster ST performance) the "Core i3 @ 4,44GHz" is not faster and certainly not smoother.
So the Single Thread theory is not happening in Dragon Age Inquisition with Mantle and im betting it will also not apply in DX-12.

 

[TheELF]

Yeah so we have to drop from almost ultra but sub 60fps which I guess you were ok with since that's what you posted first, to medium settings to get an advantage,that's ok but that's also what I was commenting, without quality change you would have at least the same fps with an i3,the gpu was the limiting factor.

So even an 3th gen i3 will play this game with at least 60fps(there is still at least 10% system idle so i'm guessing the gpu still limits fps somewhat) ,that's great.

And it shows 4 threads against 8 threads with about half the speed but how does it relate to 2 against 4 threads since this topic is about these cpus, 860k or fx6300 or g3258.

 

[AtenRa]

Same settings as above but Core i7 3770K @ 4,45GHz only DUAL CORE no HT.

I really dont know how much more evidence people promoting Dual Cores really need after this one.
The game is a stuttering fest, completely unplayable unless you like to puke every few minutes