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[OneOfTheseDays]

WHOAA, calm down Thugs. I mean damn, i didn't make fun of your momma, or did i.....???

Ok first off, anyone that bases real-world gaming performance off of a 3DMark score is an idiot. That's a fact and if you believe that then you are pretty ignorant. Quake 3 is becoming less and less of a good benchmark because we are already hitting in upwards of 350 FPS in that game.

Now if you read my post, you would notice that I said 3DMark and Quake 3 are GOOD benchmarks when trying to figure out what FSB/MEM ratio is right for you, which is exactly what this thread is about. So, thugs you picked a good set of benchmarks for the testing that you have done. I'm not thread-crapping, i'm agreeing with you. Now take a few deep breaths and relax.....

 

[THUGSROOK]

thx for your rant.
stay outta my threads ok?

 

[Lizardman]

Thanks for your threads and comments thugs, super, guru, duvie and a couple other guys. You helped me decide on my BG7 mobo and 1.6A. Now I got a sweet system running at 2.66ghz... Ohh yeahh. After I get my radeon 8500 in the mail I will actually get some decent 3dmarks and be able to play MOHAA with full detail

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

is that some kind of threat thugsrook? who do you think you are? I disagree with you and now you want me to stay out of your threads? Please, it's not like i was thread-crapping on your thread, i just had a difference of opinion. But i'll keep it to PM's if you would like. BTW, you sound like some little adolescent kid with a power-trip. There are ways to respond nicely and courteously, and obviously you don't know how to.

 

[Leo V]

Very interesting, Thugs. I am awaiting my P4B533 along with 512mb of 3200C2 memory and Northwood 1.6A. Being a quiet system junkie, I will only go to 2.13-2.24ghz (default voltage), which places memory at 355-373mhz. With CAS 2-6-2-2 everything should be dandy.

 

[THUGSROOK]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
is that some kind of threat thugsrook? who do you think you are? I disagree with you and now you want me to stay out of your threads? Please, it's not like i was thread-crapping on your thread, i just had a difference of opinion. But i'll keep it to PM's if you would like. BTW, you sound like some little adolescent kid with a power-trip. There are ways to respond nicely and courteously, and obviously you don't know how to.

you did more then disagree - you insinuated quite a few things, none of which had anything todo with this thread. but more to do with my testing methods and results. you were off on you own little rant. i hate that kind of attitude, especially in my own threads.

your little appology dont cut it - you crapped in my thread, and are continuing todo so claiming you have an appology - but continue to insult me. whos the kid here?

i dont want to talk to you anymore and please stay out of my threads.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

well you misread me then. I never insinuated that you tweaked the scores, i was just saying that people can tweak a 3dmark score quite easily and end up with superior results compared to another user with a better computer. You are drawing things out of context here way too much, and your starting to get way too defensive over something so silly. I'm gonna get out of this thread now though so peace out. and don't talk to me either or post in my threads (how childish is that?)

 

[Mikki]

Glad to hear that all my work and experience reaps this conclusion:

anyone that bases real-world gaming performance off of a 3DMark score is an idiot

Cheers...

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

let me rephrase what i should have said "anyone that bases real-world perfromance off of a 3dmark score when comparing systems is very misinformed because 3dmark does not tell the entire story". Case in point, Radeon cards are performing better than their geforce counterparts in 3dmark, yet are outperformed in most other games by geforces.

 

[SupermanCK]

Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
... Case in point, Radeon cards are performing better than their geforce counterparts in 3dmark, yet are outperformed in most other games by geforces.

how does a radeon outperform a geforce? unless you are talking about 9700 pro...but then your second statement is not true then...cause geforce is being raped!!!

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Radeon 8500 scores higher than a GF3 and some GF4's in 3dmark 2001 SE. Yet when we actually benchmark realworld games (dungeon siege, q3, jedi knight, etc.) you'll see the Geforce 3's and Gf4's beating the Radeon 8500 in most cases.

 

[SupermanCK]

well...there can be a lot of reasons why they scored a certain way in different applications...quality setting in d3d tab (mainly for 3dmark)...opengl setting in games, etc...but that would leave up to the video guys to discuss...

 

[Mikki]

Ya know what, this argument is pointless. Those reading Thugsrook's post are going to see the relationship between fsb speeds and memory speeds, period. It doesn't matter which bench is used as long as it shows the difference that Thugs intended. The point that 3DMark was not the right bench to use and/or is not a good 'real-world' bench to use is moot. It shows the point that Thugs was trying to make.

All of us here (well, MOST of us here) have proven time and again that 3DMark's scores flucuate with a variety of different hardware adjustments, and until someone wants to post some tests and give us a perfect 'real-world' bench, this argument is silly, and shame on all of us involved in it that have soiled Thugsrook's fantastic thread.

Sorry Thugs....

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

there is no perfect real world bench. If they could make a bench or time demo for medal of honor that would be a good indicator (as it is highly cpu intensive), jedi knight 2 is also very good because it is almost exclusively CPU dependent (most video cards seem to hit a wall around 120 FPS or so at 1280X1024 at max detail), Serious Sam 2 is quite good as well (although it seems to favor athlons more), Commanche 4 is also pretty good and most video cards and CPU's can't even hit 50fps in that demo. 3Dmark 2001 SE really favors systems with high FSB's, especially the nature test. Quake 3 also benefits immensely from increased Memory speeds and higher FSBs. Thus no benchmark is perfect because they all seem to favor certain parts of our systems, SOME MORE THAN OTHERS, but there are so many benchmarks to choose from it makes me wonder why people keep on insisting that their 3DMark scores are the end all indicator of performance. whatever, if i ruined this thread i'm sorry, next time i'll stick to pming people, but the main jist of this thread seems to already have gotten through anyways. some people just need to chill because this is just a forum on the internet.

 

[txgixer]

Bah, I benchmark with the original DOOM

GREAT WORK THUGS!