8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[Jaskalas]

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50 series you mean?

No, I mean if the 4060 has 8GB. That would be a disaster for the consumer.

 

[coercitiv]

Well lads, I'm officially hopping off of 8GB train. I just side graded from 3070FE to 6800 (non-XT) Sapphire Pulse and 3070FE is heading off to ebay. I'm finally getting 16GB vram which should last me till RDNA4, and I'm also getting slight performance boost. Don't really care about RT so that's not an issue. I know that most people go for 6800XT/6900XT/6950XT but 6800 is plenty enough for me for right now and I prefer my cards to stay around 200W envelope for heat and noise reasons.

Navi 21 cards are extremely customizable in terms of power usage. I learned this the first day my 6800XT arrived. I was expecting 150W+ power draw and had already planned mounting 2 intake fans at the bottom of the case. Then I started Division 2 with the settings I was using at the time on Vega 56: the card was reportedly pulling 5070W with the old settings and frame cap in place. Now obviously the card can pull close to 300W if I go ham, but the important part is it will scale down nicely with requirements for performance.

 

[A///]

No, I mean if the 4060 has 8GB. That would be a disaster for the consumer.

I thought it was coming with 10 GB. You used to get meaningful performance with nvidia by picking a lower end model and getting last gen's higher end models performance.

 

[MrTeal]

4060 and 4060 Ti are slated to come with 8GB. Estimates on the 4060 Ti is that it should land about where the 3070 Ti is, and so will be about as powerful a card as you can buy with 8GB.

 

[KompuKare]

3070 Ti performance with the same limited 8GB. Aside from lower power usage, well the 4060/Ti bring anything worthwhile?

Since the 3070 Ti was as a post mining boom/ pandemic card and was already "pre-scalped for your convenience", these 4060s might have s slightly better price.

So after 2 years we might get $50 less and lower power consumption. Yawn

 

[psolord]

Guys can someone start the

The "12GB not enough" thread​

because I am thinking getting a 4070/ti?

 

[Aapje]

PC1:12400f,3060ti,32GB,z690,Gigabyte Gen4 7000 nvme

At least you are consistent in your buying decisions

 

[Mopetar]

I think 12 GB will generally be enough for the next 4 years. There may be a few titles where that isn't the case, or it may only be an issue if you're trying to use ray tracing, but I expect most games to stay under 12 GB VRAM.

After that is where it may start to get a bit hit or miss, but you'll still be able to dial settings back and still use it. I'd be more hesitant if you were going to game at 4K, but for 1440p it's less worrisome.

I think it depends on how long you intend to keep the card as well. If you want something that'll still be usable in 8 years, then 16 GB is a minimum starting point.

 

[psolord]

At least you are consistent in your buying decisions

Hey, I have a 6600 too. And a 7950. I am only 70% nvidiot! xD

Actually I wanted to get a 7900xt. No question the best card for the money for its tier. But it does not fit the overall character (cpu/psu/case/2 slot space only/power budget) of the system it was meant to go in. Aka my PC1 as you quoted. So indeed I got a 4070ti. My thinking is, the poor 3060ti served me well, for two years now, from a range of 1080p up to 4K/dlss, so why not the 4070ti? Actually it still does, but I got the upgrade bug and it is nasty. I only need the 4070ti as primary for two years anyway. If AMD had a lower power 2slot 7800XT 16GB ready, I'd get that instead.

Also I am kind of a Cyberpunk 2077 fanboy and this does not help...

Not all is lost however. I am planning some more personal tiering re-arrangement of my systems and I'll see what is on offer when the time comes.

 

[Jaskalas]

Current thoughts are this. Minimum VRAM being,

• 12GB for 1080p
• 16GB for 1440p
• 24GB for 4k

That is how you stay safe with current gen console ports.

 

[Timorous]

Current thoughts are this. Minimum VRAM being,

• 12GB for 1080p
• 16GB for 1440p
• 24GB for 4k

That is how you stay safe with current gen console ports.

I would say that would give you above console settings until the inevitable PS6 generation goes through its cross gen period.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I would say that would give you above console settings until the inevitable PS6 generation goes through its cross gen period.

-Indeed. It's not that 8gb won't play console games, it will just play them at console peasant settings with lower quality textures and upscaling tricks and such.

If you're paying $500 for just the graphics card to get a $500 console experience, maybe just buy the $500 console (ignoring things like a Steam library and lower cost of ownership if you only buy during Steam sales and such).

 

[BFG10K]

8GB confirmed. Only way these cards will be worthwhile would be, say, $229 for 4060 and $279 for 4060TI. Of course we all know they'll both be over $400.

Colorful Custom RTX 4060 Ti GPU Clocks Outed, 8 GB VRAM Confirmed

Resident TechPowerUp hardware database overseer T4C Fantasy has divulged some early information about a custom version of the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti GPU card - Colorful's catchily named iGame RTX 4060 Ti Ultra White OC model has been added to the TPU GPU database, and T4C Fantasy has...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[VirtualLarry]

From that TPU news link, discussion thread:

RedelZaVedno



The insider bird at Ngreedia told Brad Chacos, executive editor of PCWorld, that they decided to crippled their gaming dGPU lineup by narrower memory bus and a lack of VRAM in order not to canabalize their professional Quadro line sales. It makes sense from a bussiness perspective, but I really hope gamers won't accept it.
Posted on Apr 16th 2023, 11:52

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Could this "conspiracy" be true, the reason that the "gamer" cards have much less VRAM than that "professional" cards, is because NVidia is afraid of Quadro-modders?

 

[ZGR]

4060 Ti is gonna invade the prebuilt PC market. Dell with their proprietary parts are gonna love this GPU.

 

[BFG10K]

$450 for 8GB on a 128 bit memory bus. LMFAO!

Even if they're trolling us like the 4070 and it's actually $100 less, $350 is still far too high.

NVIDIA to Target $450 Price-point with GeForce RTX 4060 Ti

NVIDIA is preparing its fifth GeForce RTX 40-series "Ada" graphics card launch in May 2023, with the GeForce RTX 4060 Ti. Red Gaming Tech reports that the company could target the USD $450 price-point with this SKU, putting it $150 below the recently launched RTX 4070, and $350 below the RTX...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Saylick]

$450 for 8GB on a 128 bit memory bus. LMFAO!

Even if they're trolling us like the 4070 and it's actually $100 less, $350 is still far too high.

NVIDIA to Target $450 Price-point with GeForce RTX 4060 Ti

NVIDIA is preparing its fifth GeForce RTX 40-series "Ada" graphics card launch in May 2023, with the GeForce RTX 4060 Ti. Red Gaming Tech reports that the company could target the USD $450 price-point with this SKU, putting it $150 below the recently launched RTX 4070, and $350 below the RTX...

www.techpowerup.com

Wow, $450 (if true) for something that is slightly faster than a RTX 3070 which retailed for $499... and not even offering more VRAM. That DLSS 3 tax is real, folks.

 

[Aapje]

Yeah, it's Turing all over again, where they also thought that next to no price/performance improvement was needed due to DLSS and raytracing (as if you could ever really do that on Turing). Except it's worse, because the VRAM issues now mean that these cards are going to age like fine milk. At least with Turing, the DLSS support extended the life of the cards, but DLSS 3 isn't very good at that, because it doesn't help with input lag, so you already need reasonably high frame rates to benefit.

Of course, back then the 3000-series would have given a huge price/performance increase, if not for the miners buying all the cards and causing prices to soar.

But it's fairly logical to assume that Nvidia are going to course correct for the 5000-series, both by providing more memory and far better price/performance.

 

[fleshconsumed]

It all depends on the competition. 30 series provided 50% perf/$ improvement over 20 series. The only way we'll see similar numbers out of nvidia with 50 series is if AMD and Intel provide meaningful competition with their upcoming cards. At this point nvidia has a monopoly on GPU market and they have zero reason to give the market anything other than scraps.

 

[jpiniero]

8GB confirmed. Only way these cards will be worthwhile would be, say, $229 for 4060 and $279 for 4060TI. Of course we all know they'll both be over $400.

Colorful Custom RTX 4060 Ti GPU Clocks Outed, 8 GB VRAM Confirmed

Resident TechPowerUp hardware database overseer T4C Fantasy has divulged some early information about a custom version of the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti GPU card - Colorful's catchily named iGame RTX 4060 Ti Ultra White OC model has been added to the TPU GPU database, and T4C Fantasy has...

www.techpowerup.com

You can see why AMD isn't bothering with N32 and N33 if people will only buy AMD if the competitve cards are even cheaper than that.

 

[jpiniero]

Ooh.. this gonna be gud.. Jedi Survivor is 140-150 GB on Series X and PS5... and the Series S version is 100 GB less. Presumably the difference between the Series X and S is that the S has lower res textures. But if they aren't shipping the higher res textures on the S because of memory size... well...

 

[SteveGrabowski]

It all depends on the competition. 30 series provided 50% perf/$ improvement over 20 series. The only way we'll see similar numbers out of nvidia with 50 series is if AMD and Intel provide meaningful competition with their upcoming cards. At this point nvidia has a monopoly on GPU market and they have zero reason to give the market anything other than scraps.

Is RX 6700 XT available for RTX 3060 prices not competition? RX 6650 XT for GTX 1660 Super prices? RX 6800 XT for RTX 3070 prices? I don't understand at all what gamers have against AMD gpus when you get so much more for your money with them right now. Especially when AMD drivers have lower DX12 overhead on top of that.

 

[jpiniero]

Is RX 6700 XT available for RTX 3060 prices not competition? RX 6650 XT for GTX 1660 Super prices? RX 6800 XT for RTX 3070 prices? I don't understand at all what gamers have against AMD gpus when you get so much more for your money with them right now.

They want the 6800 XT for $200 (ie: a 580-like crash)

 

[DeathReborn]

They want the 6800 XT for $200 (ie: a 580-like crash)

As someone who bought into the used 290 crash (very handsomely I might add) I wouldn't call the current pricing a crash but a slow, gradual descent towards acceptable pricing for old hardware. Oh and 6800XT should be sub $400 by now, $200 is more fantasy land.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

As someone who bought into the used 290 crash (very handsomely I might add) I wouldn't call the current pricing a crash but a slow, gradual descent towards acceptable pricing for old hardware. Oh and 6800XT should be sub $400 by now, $200 is more fantasy land.

Even new 290 crashed. I remember seeing the Gigabyte R9 290 for $200 new a lot and even saw the Sapphire Tri-X R9 290 drop to like $230 IIRC. Those cards that were at worst 4070 Ti equivalents for the day for $200 to $230 new with 4/5 free games and out of a really good lineup (Tomb Raider, Alien Isolation, and Bioshock Infinite were the headliners I remember) is about the greatest deal I think I have ever seen or ever will see in gpus.