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BFG10K

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8GB
Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.
Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:
Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.
  1. It's the player's fault.
  2. It's the reviewer's fault.
  3. It's the developer's fault.
  4. It's AMD's fault.
  5. It's the game's fault.
  6. It's the driver's fault.
  7. It's a system configuration issue.
  8. Wrong settings were tested.
  9. Wrong area was tested.
  10. Wrong games were tested.
  11. 4K is irrelevant.
  12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
  13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
  14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
  15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
  16. It's an anomaly.
  17. It's a console port.
  18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
  19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
  20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
  21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.
According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!
 
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jpiniero said:
Ooh.. this gonna be gud.. Jedi Survivor is 140-150 GB on Series X and PS5... and the Series S version is 100 GB less. Presumably the difference between the Series X and S is that the S has lower res textures. But if they aren't shipping the higher res textures on the S because of memory size... well...
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Good info, thanks.

However on the official specs, they mention 8GBs only, for both the minimum and recommended requirements.

STAR WARS Jedi: Survivor™ - PC System Requirements - Electronic Arts

Learn more about the minimum specs and recommended system requirements to play Star Wars Jedi: Survivor™ on your PC.
www.ea.com

STAR WARS Jedi: Survivor™ PC Minimum System Requirements​


  • OS: Windows 10 64-bit
  • RAM: 8Gb
  • CPU Features: 4 core / 8 threads
  • CPU* AMD: Ryzen 5 1400
  • GPU** AMD: Radeon RX 580
  • GPU Features: DX12, 8Gb VRAM
  • Storage: 155Gb
  • *CPU alternate: Intel Core i7-7700
  • **GPU alternate: Nvidia GTX 1070

STAR WARS Jedi: Survivor™ PC Recommended System Requirements​


  • OS: Windows 10 64-bit
  • RAM: 16Gb
  • CPU Features: 4 core / 8 threads
  • CPU* AMD: Ryzen 5 5600X
  • GPU** AMD: RX 6700 XT
  • GPU Features: DX12, 8Gb VRAM
  • Storage: 155Gb SSD
  • *CPU alternate: Intel Core i5 11600K
  • **GPU alternate: Nvidia RTX2070

Maybe it has more to do with how much of a weakling the Series S is, than the video ram requirement itself.

Also this seems like an AMD sponsored game, since they mention the AMD parts first. And they were giving it away with some AMD cpus I believe.

However it seems the person that wrote the minimum requirements favors AMD and the person that wrote the recommended requirements, favors Nvidia. Because I don't know, in what idiot's head, the 1070 can be equal to the 580 or the 2070 equal to the 6700XT, wtf?

I certainly hope the 4070ti I have incoming, will be able to run it decently, otherwise I am gonna start the 12GB not enough thread MYSELF! xD
 
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psolord said:
Good info, thanks.

However on the official specs, they mention 8GBs only, for both the minimum and recommended requirements.

STAR WARS Jedi: Survivor™ - PC System Requirements - Electronic Arts

Learn more about the minimum specs and recommended system requirements to play Star Wars Jedi: Survivor™ on your PC.
www.ea.com

STAR WARS Jedi: Survivor™ PC Minimum System Requirements​


  • OS: Windows 10 64-bit
  • RAM: 8Gb
  • CPU Features: 4 core / 8 threads
  • CPU* AMD: Ryzen 5 1400
  • GPU** AMD: Radeon RX 580
  • GPU Features: DX12, 8Gb VRAM
  • Storage: 155Gb
  • *CPU alternate: Intel Core i7-7700
  • **GPU alternate: Nvidia GTX 1070

STAR WARS Jedi: Survivor™ PC Recommended System Requirements​


  • OS: Windows 10 64-bit
  • RAM: 16Gb
  • CPU Features: 4 core / 8 threads
  • CPU* AMD: Ryzen 5 5600X
  • GPU** AMD: RX 6700 XT
  • GPU Features: DX12, 8Gb VRAM
  • Storage: 155Gb SSD
  • *CPU alternate: Intel Core i5 11600K
  • **GPU alternate: Nvidia RTX2070

Maybe it has more to do with how much of a weakling the Series S is, than the video ram requirement itself.

Also this seems like an AMD sponsored game, since they mention the AMD parts first. And they were giving it away with some AMD cpus I believe.

However it seems the person that wrote the minimum requirements favors AMD and the person that wrote the recommended requirements, favors Nvidia. Because I don't know, in what idiot's head, the 1070 can be equal to the 580 or the 2070 equal to the 6700XT, wtf?

I certainly hope the 4070ti I have incoming, will be able to run it decently, otherwise I am gonna start the 12GB not enough thread MYSELF! xD
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1070 vs 580 might just be that the 1060 with 6GB is a bit vram starved so you need the 8GB that comes on the 1070 where as the 580 already has 8GB so also works fine.

As for 2070 vs 6700XT. Fallen Order seemed to prefer NV cards a bit with the 3070 matching the 6800 and the 3080 being a good bit faster than the 6800XT. Unfortunately TPU took it out of the review suite when they did the 6700XT review so not sure how that would. If bulk of the engine is the same then the same thing might apply to Survivor.

Looking at hub/techspot they did their 6600XT vs 3060 review and included fallen order. At 1440p the 3060 was 10% faster than the 6600XT in Fallen order and the 3060Ti was 8% faster than the 6700XT also at 1440p. If recommended is for 1440p and the engine NV has the same kind of advantage I could see a 2070 and a 6700XT actually being quite similar in performance given the 3060 is similar to a 2070 a lot of the time and often behind the 6600XT.

I presume TPU will do a benchmark analysis in a couple of weeks.
 
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BFG10K

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Interview with Infinity Ward developer, he says 8GB VRAM has been a problem for a while and concessions were being made.


As an aside, more and more upcoming games recommend 32GB DRAM, like Firmament and Gollum. This trend basically started in the last 6 months so I fully expect it's related to rising VRAM requirements.
 
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Ranulf

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psolord said:
Good info, thanks.

However on the official specs, they mention 8GBs only, for both the minimum and recommended requirements.

STAR WARS Jedi: Survivor™ - PC System Requirements - Electronic Arts

Learn more about the minimum specs and recommended system requirements to play Star Wars Jedi: Survivor™ on your PC.
www.ea.com

STAR WARS Jedi: Survivor™ PC Minimum System Requirements​


  • OS: Windows 10 64-bit
  • RAM: 8Gb
  • CPU Features: 4 core / 8 threads
  • CPU* AMD: Ryzen 5 1400
  • GPU** AMD: Radeon RX 580
  • GPU Features: DX12, 8Gb VRAM
  • Storage: 155Gb
  • *CPU alternate: Intel Core i7-7700
  • **GPU alternate: Nvidia GTX 1070

STAR WARS Jedi: Survivor™ PC Recommended System Requirements​


  • OS: Windows 10 64-bit
  • RAM: 16Gb
  • CPU Features: 4 core / 8 threads
  • CPU* AMD: Ryzen 5 5600X
  • GPU** AMD: RX 6700 XT
  • GPU Features: DX12, 8Gb VRAM
  • Storage: 155Gb SSD
  • *CPU alternate: Intel Core i5 11600K
  • **GPU alternate: Nvidia RTX2070

Maybe it has more to do with how much of a weakling the Series S is, than the video ram requirement itself.

Also this seems like an AMD sponsored game, since they mention the AMD parts first. And they were giving it away with some AMD cpus I believe.

However it seems the person that wrote the minimum requirements favors AMD and the person that wrote the recommended requirements, favors Nvidia. Because I don't know, in what idiot's head, the 1070 can be equal to the 580 or the 2070 equal to the 6700XT, wtf?

I certainly hope the 4070ti I have incoming, will be able to run it decently, otherwise I am gonna start the 12GB not enough thread MYSELF! xD
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This isn't the only game I've seen in the last year with weird system requirements. I'd say this has been the normal for 20+ years but it does seem more contradictory in the last few years. Probably a factor of how long cpu's and gpu's have remained viable parts over the last 10-15 years.

I've also noticed that more people complaining about game performance issues in a few games I play have been running 16GB of system ram. Often with better hardware than me but I've had 32GB of ram in the 4790k system for 3-4 years now. Even Diablo4's beta at medium 1080p settings was eating up 7.5GB of system ram. Toss in any video ram shortage issues and the problem gets worse.
 
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Ranulf

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Yeah, a lot of good deals on ram in the past year are even better now. $70 for 32Gb of 3200 or 3600 ram. The only pricey stuff are the models with extreme clocks, like the 4000mhz Patriot Viper which are $75 for 16GB (2x8). That or the old Gskill FlareX B-die stuff.
 
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Aapje said:
I just bought 32 GB of RAM because the DDR4 prices have completely plummeted here. I got that 32 GB for the same money that I paid for 16 GB, just at the end of last year.
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Yeah I paid $64 for a 2x8GB kit of G.Skill Ripjaws V CAS18 DDR4-3600 last June while the 2x16GB of Corsair Vengeance CAS16 DDR4-3200 I bought last week cost me $69.
 
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Aveum system requirements:

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Immortals of Aveum just got a nice gameplay "first look" trailer, showing some impressive graphics and gameplay for this fantasy first-person magic shooter from Electronic Arts and Ascendant Studios. EA has also published a new blog post detailing the technology used in the game, as well as...
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Minimum (1080p low/medium settings) calls for a 2080 Super or 5700XT, both 8GB cards. As one of the first UE5 games this is a sign of things to come. But I guess it's yet another "badly optimized console port anomaly", amrite?

But I'm sure 8GB nVidia owners will breath a huge sigh of relief because "aye eye" upscaling from 720p makes it all fine, LMAO.
 
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BFG10K said:
Aveum system requirements:

Immortals of Aveum Gets Gameplay Trailer, System Requirements Detailed

Immortals of Aveum just got a nice gameplay "first look" trailer, showing some impressive graphics and gameplay for this fantasy first-person magic shooter from Electronic Arts and Ascendant Studios. EA has also published a new blog post detailing the technology used in the game, as well as...
www.techpowerup.com

Minimum (1080p low/medium settings) calls for a 2080 Super or 5700XT, both 8GB cards. As one of the first UE5 games this is a sign of things to come. But I guess it's yet another "badly optimized console port anomaly", amrite?

But I'm sure 8GB nVidia owners will breath a huge sigh of relief because "aye eye" upscaling from 720p makes it all fine, LMAO.
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I found the recommended (1440 medium/high) interesting with the 12GB 3080 Ti but a 16GB 6800XT for AMD. Was the 6750XT too slow, 3080 too little VRAM? A little of both I think, which makes my 3080 obsolete as I aim for 1440p High Refresh/4K 60+.
 
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The Aveum devs decided it was go big or go home. They said they purposely left out 8th gen consoles, and targeted powerful hardware.



There are approximately 50 million 9th gen consoles and who knows how many millions of PCs with specs good enough for this title. That's a good sized slice of pie chart. Analytics might have shown broke ass PC gamers don't buy expensive single player games, so why bother. They can buy it on a sale in a few years when they have the hardware to run it.

BTW, Dead Island 2 1080 ultra allocates 7.8GB of my 6600XT. I will try it at 1440 and see if it exceeds the limit. I average over 100fps so 60fps at 1440 should not be an issue if the VRAM isn't a problem.
 
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That Aveum game's gameplay looks too chaotic to be enjoyable, at least for me. You would need a few billion YOUNG neurons firing on all cylinders, in addition to a decent gaming rig, to play that. I think I've less than a billion left. Neurons, that is.
 
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igor_kavinski said:
That Aveum game's gameplay looks too chaotic to be enjoyable, at least for me. You would need a few billion YOUNG neurons firing on all cylinders, in addition to a decent gaming rig, to play that. I think I've less than a billion left. Neurons, that is.
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No gameplay trailers ever show a representative experience on online multiplayer FPSes for me. No one probably wants to buy your game if the trailer is just you getting shot in the head by teenagers over and over for 10 minutes.
 
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BFG10K

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Tests VRAM utilization which is more accurate than allocation on a pair of 24GB cards, again confirming 12GB is already right at the edge. No way in hell I'd drop $600 on a borderline obsolete product.

Also confirms 8GB cards need to drop to medium/low, even at 1080p.


He's going to do 8GB vs 12GB later, but we already know the outcome.
 
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DAPUNISHER

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MrTeal said:
It'd be interesting to see the number of people still rocking 1060s or 290X's who do buy $80 games at launch.
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That's a good choice of words. Because you'd have to have rocks in your head to spend that much on a modern AAA game, Instead of upgrading your GPU first.
 
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DAPUNISHER said:
Because you'd have to have rocks in your head to spend that much on a modern AAA game, Instead of upgrading your GPU first.
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I bought Metal Gear Solid Phantom Pain, Control, Resident Evil 2 etc. at launch and never got to play them. Must tell the doc to check for rocks at my next head examination.
 
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RTX 3070 modded to 16GB:

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What if NVIDIA made RTX 3070 with 16GB? Paulo Gomes and his friends came up with a new idea to upgrade NVIDIA’s last-gen RTX 3070 GPU memory. RTX 3070 with 16GB VRAM, Source: Paulo Gomes Memory mods on graphics cards are nothing new these days. Modders and technicians have been doing this for...
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