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BFG10K

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Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.
Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:
Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

10GB / 12GB

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.
  1. It's the player's fault.
  2. It's the reviewer's fault.
  3. It's the developer's fault.
  4. It's AMD's fault.
  5. It's the game's fault.
  6. It's the driver's fault.
  7. It's a system configuration issue.
  8. Wrong settings were tested.
  9. Wrong area was tested.
  10. Wrong games were tested.
  11. 4K is irrelevant.
  12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
  13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
  14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
  15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
  16. It's an anomaly.
  17. It's a console port.
  18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
  19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
  20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
  21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.
According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!
 
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igor_kavinski said:
Would be fun to see if there are cases where the 4060 Ti 16GB manages to beat the 4070.
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Doubtful. The 4070 isn’t going to hit the 8 GB wall and it has considerably more shaders and memory bandwidth. I don’t think there are any titles where 12 GB just isn’t sufficient. The 4070’s memory is clocked higher as well. The bandwidth is nearly double that of the 4060 Ti.
 
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Mopetar said:
At that price why not just buy a 4070? It has 12 GB of VRAM on a 50% wider bus. 33% more shaders too. Even if it’s the saddest 4070 on the planet it’s going to smoke a souped up 4060 Ti.
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Bigger numbers are better? Can you imagine the $1400 24GB 4070Ti? Why settle for a 16GB 4080???

Somewhat seriously though, this has been a thing forever. Back in the day when they would throw gobs of slow cheap memory on those very slow GPUs and then charge a lot for them? I don't even remember all the names of the GPUs, it was back when there were true "options" under $100 and usually picking the one with the most memory meant you did it wrong
 
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Mopetar said:
Doubtful. The 4070 isn’t going to hit the 8 GB wall and it has considerably more shaders and memory bandwidth. I don’t think there are any titles where 12 GB just isn’t sufficient. The 4070’s memory is clocked higher as well. The bandwidth is nearly double that of the 4060 Ti.
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-Was the same situation when the 3060 12gb and the 3060ti/3070 launched. Give it another 2-3 years and it'll be an interesting topic to revisit.
 
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GodisanAtheist said:
-Was the same situation when the 3060 12gb and the 3060ti/3070 launched. Give it another 2-3 years and it'll be an interesting topic to revisit.
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I have a feeling that if games need 16 GB of VRAM they're going to choke just as hard on the 128-but bus that the 4060 Ti has. It might get better 1% or .1% lows by having the bigger buffer, but it's unlikely to do worse in the average frame rates.

I could certainly be wrong, but for $600 I'd rather have a 4070 that's going to do considerably better on almost everything for the next several years.
 
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Mopetar said:
I could certainly be wrong, but for $600 I'd rather have a 4070 that's going to do considerably better on almost everything for the next several years.
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4070 does really well there. I guess it could be worth the nGreedia tax, if smooth frames is what you desire.
 
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Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will support DirectStorage with GPU Decompression and Ray Tracing Ambient Occlusion on PC

According to Nixxes, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will support DirectStorage with GPU Decompression and Ray Tracing Ambient Occlusion on PC.
www.dsogaming.com

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart PC Requirements revealed for 1080p/1440p/4K and Ray Tracing

Nixxes Software has revealed the official PC system requirements for Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, covering 1080p, 1440p and 4K resolutions.
www.dsogaming.com

The Rift Apart system requirements are pretty modest. And it's the first game to support DirectStorage GPU decompression. If nothing else, it will make a decent DirectStorage benchmark.
 
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jpiniero said:

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will support DirectStorage with GPU Decompression and Ray Tracing Ambient Occlusion on PC

According to Nixxes, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will support DirectStorage with GPU Decompression and Ray Tracing Ambient Occlusion on PC.
www.dsogaming.com

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart PC Requirements revealed for 1080p/1440p/4K and Ray Tracing

Nixxes Software has revealed the official PC system requirements for Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, covering 1080p, 1440p and 4K resolutions.
www.dsogaming.com

The Rift Apart system requirements are pretty modest. And it's the first game to support DirectStorage GPU decompression. If nothing else, it will make a decent DirectStorage benchmark.
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Kind of surprised to see it liking the 3060 Ti so much in non RT workloads, putting RX 6800 as the AMD equivalent for 1440p60 non RT. I hope they allow to do a mode similar to the performance RT mode from PS5 that was able to do a rock solid 60 fps with RT on using a dynamic resolution between 1080p and 1440p.
 
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4060TI 16GB released with zero fan-far. Blink and you might miss it:

NVIDIA launches GeForce RTX 4060 Ti with 16GB without review coverage - VideoCardz.com

No reviews on launch day Today NVIDIA officially introduced a variant of RTX 4060 Ti with 16GB memory. The absence of review samples and pre-release drivers has left reviewers with no choice but to await the official launch of the new RTX 4060 Ti 16GB model by NVIDIA before they can make a...
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BFG10K said:
4060TI 16GB released with zero fan-far. Blink and you might miss it:

NVIDIA launches GeForce RTX 4060 Ti with 16GB without review coverage - VideoCardz.com

No reviews on launch day Today NVIDIA officially introduced a variant of RTX 4060 Ti with 16GB memory. The absence of review samples and pre-release drivers has left reviewers with no choice but to await the official launch of the new RTX 4060 Ti 16GB model by NVIDIA before they can make a...
videocardz.com
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-Card is going have 16 sales, from the reviewers who have to buy the card to tell everyone what a god awful value it is.
 
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jpiniero said:

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will support DirectStorage with GPU Decompression and Ray Tracing Ambient Occlusion on PC

According to Nixxes, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart will support DirectStorage with GPU Decompression and Ray Tracing Ambient Occlusion on PC.
www.dsogaming.com

Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart PC Requirements revealed for 1080p/1440p/4K and Ray Tracing

Nixxes Software has revealed the official PC system requirements for Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, covering 1080p, 1440p and 4K resolutions.
www.dsogaming.com

The Rift Apart system requirements are pretty modest. And it's the first game to support DirectStorage GPU decompression. If nothing else, it will make a decent DirectStorage benchmark.
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Ooh, this is potentially spicy. Nixxes has removed the AMD GPUs from the Ray Tracing Specifications.

Before, "Amazing Ray Tracing" included a 6800 XT and "Ultimate Ray Tracing" included a 7900 XTX. Perhaps reviewers have told them that the frame rate wasn't high enough on said AMD GPUs?
 
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Still trying to figure out where's the official announcement on the raytracing specs change.

Also, guess they didn't feel like using any ARC GPU. Methinks it was Intel not wanting to spend money.
 
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