8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[Mopetar]

I don't know if anything has actually changed specifically with AMD as NVidia drivers have had more overhead for a while now, probably since around the time of Vega. AMD started doing more of the work on the hardware so when CPU limited, they tend to perform better. Maybe AMD has become even more performant in these situations, but this isn't anything earth shattering or some new revelation.

 

[Ranulf]

Time for 12GB not enough thread With 4070Ti taking the lead. To be honest, 16GB is a minimum that I would prefer to have today.

Hah, see I'm a genius for trying out an A770! 16GB of ram goodness!

Saw Steve at HUB's video this morning... what 26 cards tested for one section of the game? Crazy man and proof that the prognosticators were correct on 8GB-12GB cards.

Daniel Owen has a couple of good videos testing the game too. He tests a 4090, 3060ti, 7900xtx, 6700xt, 1060 6GB. He thinks in some spots there is a cpu bottleneck.


Overall, the game itself has some odd issues going on and could use optimization. I'm not really a HP fan but I'm tempted to pick up a copy to test.

 

[BFG10K]

Time for 12GB not enough thread With 4070Ti taking the lead.

Yep, 3080TI/4070TI being next on the chopping block demonstrates a lunatic product stack.

But for now, the true legacy of Hogwart is obsoleting the entire Turding line, with the exception of the 2080TI.

"2060 6GB is RTX ready!!!" LMAO.

 

[blckgrffn]

Yep, 3080TI/4070TI being next on the chopping block demonstrates a lunatic product stack.

But for now, the true legacy of Hogwart is obsoleting the entire Turding line, with the exception of the 2080TI.

"2060 6GB is RTX ready!!!" LMAO.

Hey now, don’t forget the “New for 2022” 2060 12GB 😂

 

[H T C]

Interesting video.

I do wonder: has anyone tried using this game with the 5800x3D and a high end GPU?

Trying to learn if more cache is beneficial to this game or not: i seem to recall some games having MASSIVE BOOSTS in performance using a 5800x3D instead of ... say ... the 5800x, despite the lower clock frequency of the 3D CPU.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

To be sure, you would want 16GB Vram.
The biggest problem is price in my opinion.
Desktop is not as bad as mobile in comparison.

Paying >1900euro for i7 13700H + 16GB DDR5 + 1TB SSD + RTX 4600 8GB which I barely consider as minimum is ridiculous.
Paying 3800euro for the cheapest i9 13900HX + 32GB DDR5 + 1TB SSD + RTX 4900 16GB laptop? WTF.

Building a desktop: 13600KF + 32GB DDR5 + 2TB SSD + ARC A770 16GB would cost 1500 euro and still perform better.
Building a desktop: 7950X/13900 + 64GB DDR5 + 2TB SSD + RTX 4080 /RX 7900 XTX would cost within 3000 euro and perform at least 25-30% better.

N32 with 16GB could be interesting, If the price is right.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Another pain point for 8GB card users:



They gonna need more system RAM to compensate!

Even 12GB isn't enough. Looks like 16GB minimum is where the future is gonna be, if this game is any indication.

 

[Mopetar]

Yep, 3080TI/4070TI being next on the chopping block demonstrates a lunatic product stack.

Or NVidia figuring out a way to get people to upgrade sooner. They could easily offer more VRAM across their stack, but it would mean that their cards would last a lot longer and people wouldn't buy replacements as often.

I wouldn't be surprised to see future incarnations of DLSS require more than 12 GB of VRAM for reasons.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Another pain point for 8GB card users:

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They gonna need more system RAM to compensate!

Even 12GB isn't enough. Looks like 16GB minimum is where the future is gonna be, if this game is any indication.

I am having trouble understanding that chart, what are the values and is lower better?

 

[jpiniero]

Or NVidia figuring out a way to get people to upgrade sooner. They could easily offer more VRAM across their stack, but it would mean that their cards would last a lot longer and people wouldn't buy replacements as often.

When it comes to Ada, they can't really. Unless/until 4 GB chips arrive.

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

When it comes to Ada, they can't really. Unless/until 4 GB chips arrive.

Even 3GB chips would be pretty ok.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I am having trouble understanding that chart, what are the values and is lower better?

Megabytes of system RAM usage. 3070 with its gimpy 8GB of VRAM causing ridiculously high usage of system RAM to compensate.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Megabytes of system RAM usage. 3070 with its gimpy 8GB of VRAM causing ridiculously high usage of system RAM to compensate.

Ah I see thanks!

 

[igor_kavinski]

Megabytes of system RAM usage. 3070 with its gimpy 8GB of VRAM causing ridiculously high usage of system RAM to compensate.

Even 6700 XT needing 20GB. Like, WTH?!

And 6600 XT, say hello to SSD thrashing!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Seems like Hogwarts needs a lot of power, I lean more towards:
A) it’s poorly programmed or optimized
B) it’s super future looking kind of like Crisis ways
C) a combination of A&B

 

[TESKATLIPOKA]

Megabytes of system RAM usage. 3070 with its gimpy 8GB of VRAM causing ridiculously high usage of system RAM to compensate.

AMD at 8GB and 12GB is a lot worse off than comparably sized Nvidia.
I find It weird that 4080 uses less system memory than 4090.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Seems like Hogwarts needs a lot of power, I lean more towards:
A) it’s poorly programmed or optimized
B) it’s super future looking kind of like Crisis ways
C) a combination of A&B

B.

Can't be A. Based on UE4.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

B.

Can't be A. Based on UE4.

Ah I thought it was UE5

 

[jpiniero]

Ah I thought it was UE5

It has that UE4 look.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Hey now, don’t forget the “New for 2022” 2060 12GB 😂

Does any site have it in the charts? It will be amazing if it outperforms the 3060ti through 3070ti simply due to all those cards running out of vram with RT on. I suspect it will. However, from what I've seen, I prefer the raster IQ in this game over the RT. The RT shadows look bad, and the reflections are noisy.

 

[blckgrffn]

Does any site have it in the charts? It will be amazing if it outperforms the 3060ti through 3070ti simply due to all those cards running out of vram with RT on. I suspect it will. However, from what I've seen, I prefer the raster IQ in this game over the RT. The RT shadows look bad, and the reflections are noisy.

I mean, it probably does. It has the “core” of a 2060S and the then same 192 bit bus as the 3060 with similar speeds. Given how close the 2060S was to the 3060 (off hand, like 10%? Pretty much a vanilla 2070 where that is shown) I just mentally put the 2060-12 where the 3060 is shown on most graphs. Clearly it is slower and the 3060 probably has more cache to offset the bandwidth constraints but 🤷‍♂️

 

[Ranulf]

Techpowerup's database has the 3060 at 5% faster than a 2060S and the 2060 12GB is rated as fast as a 2060S.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 12 GB Specs

NVIDIA TU106, 1650 MHz, 2176 Cores, 136 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 12288 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 192 bit

www.techpowerup.com

 

[DeathReborn]

Does any site have it in the charts? It will be amazing if it outperforms the 3060ti through 3070ti simply due to all those cards running out of vram with RT on. I suspect it will. However, from what I've seen, I prefer the raster IQ in this game over the RT. The RT shadows look bad, and the reflections are noisy.

Raffster on twitter did post a graph from PCGH showing A770 8GB v 16GB & 2060 6GB v 12GB.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624206409427562498

If you find the original article it might show you waht you specifically want.

 

[BFG10K]

Still waiting for Digital Foundry's detailed exposé about how this game basically makes two-thirds of nVidia's lineup obsolete.

I really wonder if they'll risk offending nVidia's early access "status".

 

[Golgatha]

Another pain point for 8GB card users:

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They gonna need more system RAM to compensate!

Even 12GB isn't enough. Looks like 16GB minimum is where the future is gonna be, if this game is any indication.

All this chart tells me is every gaming rig should have 32GB of system RAM nowadays.