8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[psolord]

Well we all know one person who insists that's plenty and will have no qualms buying one.

Battlemage is looking decent enough that Intel could gobble up a lot of the low end of the market by just offering reasonable prices.

Even though AMD will price below Nvidia, they won't do so by more than they have to, which is still much higher than many would like.

Buy another 8GB card? No I have enough thank you.

Evaluating how vram truly affects matters, if correct settings are used? Sure, I am all for it.

If the 8GBs ram really make the final image ugly and is unsolvable by any means, with vram being 100% the culprit, I'll be the first to say it, don't worry. We are not there yet.

 

[psolord]

Speaking of UE5, I did a quick test on Riven (non monetized-hobbyist just for fun).

4070ti 4k DLSS quality and it is struggling at points. It has 40fps drops, while the vram is less than 9GBs. UE5 needs more power, not more vram.

 

[SolidQ]

UE5 needs more power, not more vram.

83-88C temp? it's UE5 temp hungry

 

[Ranulf]

UE5 game... Optimization is "Super"

Super indeed. The hardware specs on Steam are certainly...optimized oddly. Though I guess it means 6th gen 4core i5 minimum and a 4c8t 4th gen i7 is recommended along with Ryzen 6 core chips. At least they do list Intel gpus in with the other two.

 

[psolord]

83-88C temp? it's UE5 temp hungry

It's only a couple degrees more than what this room has, lol.

We are in the middle of a heatwave in Greece. This is fine! One more reason to play everything at more correct settings. This was just a test.

 

[psolord]

BTW Steel seed can be manageable even on a GTX 970, if you don't use FAFO settings.

 

[nurturedhate]

It's only a couple degrees more than what this room has, lol.

We are in the middle of a heatwave in Greece. This is fine! One more reason to play everything at more correct settings. This was just a test.

If you're constantly sitting in an 83C room I think we've found the problem.

 

[psolord]

If you're constantly sitting in an 83C room I think we've found the problem.

I have my personal sauna. xD

The real, thread related problem however, can be found in the above graphs.

 

[psolord]

Btw, Steel seed can run on the 4070ti, at 4k/dlss/balanced, just fine, with power to spare.



I tried to record a video with shadowplay, and the power draw jumped to 200w from 125. Maybe that's why it was burning up in Riven. Recording at 4k, puts the card on a higher power level.

 

[mikeymikec]

Btw, Steel seed can run on the 4070ti, at 4k/dlss/balanced, just fine, with power to spare.

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I tried to record a video with shadowplay, and the power draw jumped to 200w from 125. Maybe that's why it was burning up in Riven. Recording at 4k, puts the card on a higher power level.

7995MB! psolord: everythingisfine.gif

 

[psolord]

7995MB! psolord: everythingisfine.gif

That's on a 4070ti, at 4k/dlss/balanced/epic preset at 125W, which is less than half the power of the card.

Considering in gamegpu's run it was 17fps at straight 1080p on the 3060, another 12GB card, yeah it is fine.

Granted it was on a different location, the one in my screenshot was lighter, but I will make a proper run next week.

Until then, I can show you how it runs on the GTX 970. (non monetized channel)

Yes quite different settings sure, but I want everybody to see the scalability. The game is not atrocious on the 970, so imagine what happens on cards that are several years newer. Yes there are vram limits at a point, but hey, it's a 10 yo 3.5GB card. I will test on the 3060ti, 1070 and rx6600 ofc, with proper settings, because it seems we need to explain basic stuff here.

Since this is a UE5 game, allow me to show you one more that caught my eye. Same low settings for the 970 but still manageable. Not stellar but manageable. If the 970 can manage UE5, then the far stronger 8GB cards will be fine.

 

[reggie_fils_aime]

I would be interested to see the level of swap being used with the vram restricted cards - that's the kind of thing which is hard to discern from quick hit benchmarking. I know that the TDU demo will run generally fine for a few hours before asset swapping starts to bog down 8 gig cards, but my RX 6800 handles it without breaking a sweat.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Evaluating how vram truly affects matters, if correct settings are used? Sure, I am all for it.

Digital Foundry using incorrect settings with the 3070 at the 6:04 mark in Horizon Forbidden West

 

[SmokSmog]

RIP 8GB RTX 4060, worse experience than on an older 3060 12GB

 

[SolidQ]

RIP 8GB RTX 4060, worse

He didn't test lava area, there so much drops for 8gb cards

 

[DAPUNISHER]

RIP 8GB RTX 4060, worse experience than on an older 3060 12GB

Alex is advocating devs ensure a good experience for all the 8GB Nvidia owners. Citing that normies don't know proper settings™. His argument is basically that game makers treat them like console players. 🤣 Alex has not properly thought this through to conclusion. How can Nvidia get all of those 8GB users to pay the vram tax if the games run well on their soon to be 3 generation old card? Lack of driver optimization, walled off features, and under spec'd vram are the meta that get their faithful customers off of that older card. /facetious reply

 

[IEC]

Daniel Owen does some testing on 2024 AAA titles and uses 4060 Ti 8GB and 16GB cards to keep it apples to apples:

Verdict:
8GB is stupid at 4K
8GB is increasingly running into issues at 1440p and is not recommended
8GB at 1080p requires settings compromises that drop it below intended graphical fidelity

tl;dw
Buy a 12GB+ card in order to play at the intended settings. 2024 AAA titles will not be playable at intended graphical settings with less.
Frame generation actually hurts performance on the 8GB card when enabled if already borderline in vRAM usage. If you want to use DLSS/FG tech you need the vRAM...
8GB is only okay on strict budget and/or if you only intend to play e-sports titles at competitive settings (e.g. 1080p low). Otherwise you are gimping yourself

 

[psolord]

Daniel Owen does some testing on 2024 AAA titles and uses 4060 Ti 8GB and 16GB cards to keep it apples to apples:

Verdict:
8GB is stupid at 4K
8GB is increasingly running into issues at 1440p and is not recommended
8GB at 1080p requires settings compromises that drop it below intended graphical fidelity

tl;dw
Buy a 12GB+ card in order to play at the intended settings. 2024 AAA titles will not be playable at intended graphical settings with less.
Frame generation actually hurts performance on the 8GB card when enabled if already borderline in vRAM usage. If you want to use DLSS/FG tech you need the vRAM...
8GB is only okay on strict budget and/or if you only intend to play e-sports titles at competitive settings (e.g. 1080p low). Otherwise you are gimping yourself

Nothing we haven't known in the past, with games that have already being discussed greatly, especially the playstation ports.

The verdict is actually that the 4060ti 8GB provides a perfectly playable experience, at 1080p, where it's aimed at, as a 8GB card.

However, the 4060ti 16GB, while indeed faster in higher resolutions, manages to provide less than 60fps for the most part. So it's a glorified 1080p card essentially. In essense, what the 4060ti 16GB is good for, is for people who bought it for anything above 1080p (high chance) will see pretty quickly that it is not enough and go get a better card. Money loss in all its glory.

 

[psolord]

Testing Steel Seed on the rx6600. This is a heavier location, close to where gamegpu tested.

These are two shots, at 1080p. One at native epic, the other at balanced tsr high. From 17fps to 60fps. If the user is an idiot, yes he will end up with an unplayable result.

 

[Thunder 57]

Nothing we haven't known in the past, with games that have already being discussed greatly, especially the playstation ports.

The verdict is actually that the 4060ti 8GB provides a perfectly playable experience, at 1080p, where it's aimed at, as a 8GB card.

However, the 4060ti 16GB, while indeed faster in higher resolutions, manages to provide less than 60fps for the most part. So it's a glorified 1080p card essentially. In essense, what the 4060ti 16GB is good for, is for people who bought it for anything above 1080p (high chance) will see pretty quickly that it is not enough and go get a better card. Money loss in all its glory.

Or if someone wanted 16GB and isn't a moron they could get a 6800XT for the same price.

 

[blckgrffn]

Or if someone wanted 16GB and isn't a moron they could get a 6800XT for the same price.

And ignoring that we can "turn down" 1440p for "slower" cards like the 4060ti, and that the 16GB has the frame buffer room for all the DLSS and framegen magic to happen. If we can tune to run 1080p we can do the same one step up for a card that can confidently run 1080p native.

My son runs 1440p on his 6700XT and it works great. When do I tell him he is doing it wrong and he should only run 1080p?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

And ignoring that we can "turn down" 1440p for "slower" cards like the 4060ti, and that the 16GB has the frame buffer room for all the DLSS and framegen magic to happen. If we can tune to run 1080p we can do the same one step up for a card that can confidently run 1080p native.

My son runs 1440p on his 6700XT and it works great. When do I tell him he is doing it wrong and he should only run 1080p?

I know man, I'm not running correct settings either by playing games at 1440p and sometimes 1800p with textures maxed out on my 6700 XT.

 

[psolord]

Or if someone wanted 16GB and isn't a moron they could get a 6800XT for the same price.

Sure. What about power draw?

I'd get a 7800xt or a 4070 easily. For a part that will last 2-3 years, the price difference is minimal per month.

 

[psolord]

As for the 6700xt, while being good for what it is, still in 2024 it has, for 1080p mind you, and that's for the last couple of months:

Steel seed 20fps
Atomic Heart rt 35fps
Bodycam 38fps
Test Drive Solar Crown 43fps
F1 24 40fps
Hellblade II 48fps
Gray Zone 44fps
Outpost Infinity Siege 47fps
Ark Survival Ascended 22fps

I repeat, 1080p. How on earth you are running it for 1440p, only you know. I mean sure, these are with fafo settings. When you apply a certain amount of correct settings, the problem will go away. But that's what I am saying and you are mocking.

When you buy a graphics card, you buy a wide range of capabilities. My advice is to you, is use it (and study it) within this range please.

 

[Thunder 57]

Sure. What about power draw?

I'd get a 7800xt or a 4070 easily. For a part that will last 2-3 years, the price difference is minimal per month.

So your answer is "but power draw!" and then saying to buy a 4070 for $100 more? Comical at best. Then you say a 6700XT is a 1080p card when it can do 1440p in many games. But then of course you said earlier that 40fps is "unplayable". I don't know what else to say.