8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[SteveGrabowski]

The verdict is actually that the 4060ti 8GB provides a perfectly playable experience, at 1080p, where it's aimed at, as a 8GB card.

ROFL a card launched at $400 and still selling for $380 to $400 a year later at most places being a 1080p card.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Ark Survival Ascended 22fps

ROFL picking a game that a 4080 can't even run at 50 fps at 1440p in GameGPU's bench.

Ark Survival Ascended тест GPU/CPU | MMORPG / Онлайн-игры | TEST GPU

Мы выполнили тестирование Ark Survival Ascended на наивысших параметрах графики, на видеокартах из серий GEFORCE RTX и RADEON R

gamegpu.com

 

[Ranulf]

I repeat, 1080p. How on earth you are running it for 1440p, only you know.

Well, I mean all one needs is appropriate settings to use.

Edit:

Steel Seed would run at 60-80fps in 1080p with a 2060S. DLSS on, with balanced setting. View distance/shadows at Epic, everything else at high. That was the game's default when I loaded in.

 

[psolord]

ROFL a card launched at $400 and still selling for $380 to $400 a year later at most places being a 1080p card.

Maybe there's a reason for that? I mean if someone wants a strong 1080p card, why not?

Does any of you bother to put the data we have, the ones from gamegpu, into perspective?

Here's a new one. Another UE5 game, The Alters.



The 4060ti is beating three 12GB cards and one 11GB card.

Top 8GB card, the 4060ti has +80% performance compared to the lowest 8GB card.

The 3060ti is borderline playable at 59fps. The 3060 12GB is 45fps and is essentially beaten even by the RX6600. (the game does like AMD a little better)

For the umpteenth time, the 3060 with its 12GB is completely lackluster. It is proven time and again who was right. Keep on dreaming.

 

[psolord]

Well, I mean all one needs is appropriate settings to use.

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Steel Seed would run at 60-80fps in 1080p with a 2060S. DLSS on, with balanced setting. View distance/shadows at Epic, everything else at high. That was the game's default when I loaded in.

I know how steel seed can run. It's all about correct settings, which I'm always telling you about, thank you.

Even the GTX 970 managed to run it, with what is correct settings for that 10yo card. Not stellar, but compared to the 17fps of the 3060 12GB with fafo settings, it sure is more playable. (non monetized vids-just for fun)

And of course the rx 6600 was mostly a 50fps+ experience, with the correct settings. AND it was cpu limited by the 4770k which I did not expect.

As a reminder though, it was a 11FPS in gamegpu's testing. 11. Not a typo.

 

[psolord]

ROFL picking a game that a 4080 can't even run at 50 fps at 1440p in GameGPU's bench.

Ark Survival Ascended тест GPU/CPU | MMORPG / Онлайн-игры | TEST GPU

Мы выполнили тестирование Ark Survival Ascended на наивысших параметрах графики, на видеокартах из серий GEFORCE RTX и RADEON R

gamegpu.com

I did not pick anything. It was just a game on a list of unplayable games, for which I warned you what is going to happen and it is happening. GPU power is king, vram is second. And yes both can be alleviated with correct settings, which will be mandatory. One thing is for certain, vram aint gonna save you.

 

[psolord]

So your answer is "but power draw!" and then saying to buy a 4070 for $100 more? Comical at best. Then you say a 6700XT is a 1080p card when it can do 1440p in many games. But then of course you said earlier that 40fps is "unplayable". I don't know what else to say.

Of course but power draw. Compared to newer models, this is a serious disadvantage. And I also mentioned the 7800XT, not just the 4070.

Yes 100$ more is nothing, for the two years of effective lifetime of these cards. That's like 4.2$ per month, for a card that will be a little faster, 43% more power efficient and with better filters which will become ever more important.

 

[mikeymikec]

Maybe there's a reason for that? I mean if someone wants a strong 1080p card, why not?

... a "strong 1080p card" that one has to turn graphics settings down for otherwise it runs out of VRAM, as evidenced many times in this thread.

No doubt you have a different definition of "strong" in this context that will suit your confirmation-bias-fuelled opinion that overpriced 8GB cards are wunderbar, or maybe you'll deflect onto power usage or whatever as you often do. I honestly don't care.

 

[psolord]

... a "strong 1080p card" that one has to turn graphics settings down for otherwise it runs out of VRAM, as evidenced many times in this thread.

No doubt you have a different definition of "strong" in this context that will suit your confirmation-bias-fuelled opinion that overpriced 8GB cards are wunderbar, or maybe you'll deflect onto power usage or whatever as you often do. I honestly don't care.

There's a range from 200 to 400 for 1080p cards. They are not the same just because they are 8GB cards.

Strong 1080p card does not mean settings over 9000. You WILL need to fine tune the settings, but much less so compared to other 8GB cards.

Speaking from personal experience on my own 3060ti, the amount of fine tuning will be minimal and will barely affect the image quality.

With the new order of things, if you want a really strong 1080p card, you need a 4070, not due to vram size, rather due to gpu power. Or just use a little lower settings and save yourself a tier of gpu power.

In any case, this thread is not 4060ti price justification or vs 3070/ti. I don't care either. I care about my own cards and they are doing fine, thank you.

 

[igor_kavinski]

8GB cards love psolord.

8GB cards hate everyone else.

/thread

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Maybe there's a reason for that? I mean if someone wants a strong 1080p card, why not?

Does any of you bother to put the data we have, the ones from gamegpu, into perspective?

Here's a new one. Another UE5 game, The Alters.

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The 4060ti is beating three 12GB cards and one 11GB card.

Top 8GB card, the 4060ti has +80% performance compared to the lowest 8GB card.

The 3060ti is borderline playable at 59fps. The 3060 12GB is 45fps and is essentially beaten even by the RX6600. (the game does like AMD a little better)

For the umpteenth time, the 3060 with its 12GB is completely lackluster. It is proven time and again who was right. Keep on dreaming.

LOL comparing 4060 Ti to 3060 Ti when 3060 Ti was a 1440p card when launched in 2020. $400 for a 1080p card is lunacy.

 

[Ranulf]

LOL comparing 4060 Ti to 3060 Ti when 3060 Ti was a 1440p card when launched in 2020. $400 for a 1080p card is lunacy.

Even worse, the 4060ti is really the same performance but with frame gen tech. For the same money, 3+ years later. Much advancement, much wow. Moar frames! Less powa!

 

[psolord]

LOL comparing 4060 Ti to 3060 Ti when 3060 Ti was a 1440p card when launched in 2020. $400 for a 1080p card is lunacy.

Time flies and video cards get relegated pretty fast. Since I know how things work though and having tested some UE5 demos right at launch, I saw where things were going and I knew the 3060ti was in reality a 1080p card, if we are talking quite high settings. My rx6600 can run Selaco at 4k and quite a few other indies too. Does this make it a 4k card? No!

There are different levels of 1080p cards though my friend. There are

1080p low cards
1080p medium cards
1080p high cards
1080p ultra cards (the 4070 would fit here, and this is a 500$ card, I am not even joking)

and also 1440p and 4k ones, with the in between dlss/fsr/xess factors added too and also with different framerate targets, 60,120,144,160 you name it.

I'd like to have a 400 coins, 4k 200hz card too, but I am a realist. On a more serious note, I'd like 330 to be the ceiling for an 8GB card, not gonna lie. However, this is a 50$/€ difference from what the card goes for right now and speaking for myself, that 50, spread over a two year period, is nothing. Many of the people in these forums are Americans, that make like 100-150k per year and they are the loudest about prices. What is wrong with you? lol

 

[psolord]

8GB cards love psolord.

8GB cards hate everyone else.

/thread

I am just putting things into perspective my friend. A very hands on perspective since I own three 8GB cards and they are nothing alike.

The arguments that are being used in this thread, where tests are shown with obscene settings, that force the framebuffer to overflow, will not cut it for me, especially when the solution is two clicks away, with minimal image degradation.

There are numerous examples on gamegpu's database, that show the 3060 having serious problems even at 1080p. And these will grow with no help coming from the vram. In my book GA104 is way more balanced than GA106. Not even the 4070ti can use its 12GBs properly, let alone the 3060.

 

[igor_kavinski]

Many of the people in these forums are Americans, that make like 100-150k per year and they are the loudest about prices. What is wrong with you? lol

Their cost of living is also high so saving every cent matters.

 

[coercitiv]

Their cost of living is also high so saving every cent matters.

You don't have to answer his taunt, he's just switched tactics from simulating a debate on the product's qualities/shortcomings to shaming his opponents into buying more expensive stuff because they could presumably afford it. It's such a smelly logical fallacy that readers should be in tears by now.

 

[Mopetar]

Time flies and video cards get relegated pretty fast.

Tends to happen when you buy technology that's already out of date before it even comes out of the box.

Maybe someone should make a thread warning people against doing something so foolish.

 

[SteinFG]

Asrock recently launched an 8GB 6500 XT for 170 dollars. Previously only Sapphire (edit: and powercolor) had this variant, but it was too expensive so no one bought it. Holding the title of cheapest 8GB GPU (from a known brand) is not as good as it seems, cause there's RX 6600 for just 200 dollars. Also there are no tests of an 8GB 6500 XT variant. But I found the comparison of 3050 to 5500XT 8GB, and its performance should be very similar to 6500 XT 8GB. My conclusion: It's still not worth it, as 3050 6gb has the same level of performance and 6gb is not that different from 8gb. Though if it would cost 10 dollars less than nvidia's card, there'd be some people who will get it.
Edit: found graphs wih 6500XT 8GB

 

[igor_kavinski]

Also there are no tests of an 8GB 6500 XT variant.

Hard to find.

Here's one: https://lanoc.org/review/video-cards/8984-powercolor-rx-6500-xt-fighter-8gb?start=6

 

[Mopetar]

There are different levels of 1080p cards though my friend. There are

1080p low cards
1080p medium cards
1080p high cards
1080p ultra cards (the 4070 would fit here, and this is a 500$ card, I am not even joking)

Weird that the GPU that you list as being able to handle 1080p without having to turn down the settings has 12 GB of VRAM.

I think there's some forum thread out there where you could share these findings with other posters. I don't know if the rest of the inter is ready to handle this surprising new fact, but it is imperative that your share it with them, no matter how much they might disagree.

 

[coercitiv]

Wait until he remembers he's using a 4070 Ti with a 4K monitor. The gap between 1080p strongman and 4K correct settings is just two nothings. (also known as $200 for poor people)

 

[psolord]

Weird that the GPU that you list as being able to handle 1080p without having to turn down the settings has 12 GB of VRAM.

I think there's some forum thread out there where you could share these findings with other posters. I don't know if the rest of the inter is ready to handle this surprising new fact, but it is imperative that your share it with them, no matter how much they might disagree.

My 4070 suggestion, is a matter of gpu power, not about vram. The 4070 will be mostly a 1080p card before long.

New UE example, 5.4 this time.

This is on a 4080. It does not even hit 60fps outdoors at 1440p. Vram maxes at 10GBs. Do you think 8GB cards will have a vram problem or a gpu power problem?

 

[psolord]

Wait until he remembers he's using a 4070 Ti with a 4K monitor. The gap between 1080p strongman and 4K correct settings is just two nothings. (also known as $200 for poor people)

4k panel with various settings of DLSS to be exact and the 4070ti is having gpu power problems 99% of the time, when these arise.

 

[psolord]

Hard to find.

Here's one: https://lanoc.org/review/video-cards/8984-powercolor-rx-6500-xt-fighter-8gb?start=6

View attachment 101460

There is no 4060ti vs 4060ti 16GB in this test, so how am I going to fight hmmm?

Oh wait. There's 7600XT vs 7600. Yeah, for 1080p/1440p, no real differences whatsoever and the 4060ti 8GB destroys them both.

Interesting how Far Cry 6 at 4k gives a big advantage for the XT over the vanilla, however the 4060ti 8GB does not care.

This is another manifestation of what I am telling you, that ADA has better memory management and/or compression.

 

[psolord]

Tends to happen when you buy technology that's already out of date before it even comes out of the box.

Maybe someone should make a thread warning people against doing something so foolish.

The smartassyness of this thread, is over9000, as the settings some of you like to compare.

See above how the 7600XT is helped and how the 4080 is running UE5.4. Is the 4080 out of date?