8K is amazing

Kaido

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Saw two 8K demos today at Best Buy on a couple different big-screen TV's...WOW. I was not expecting them to be, well, anything. The clarity was outstanding!

The most impressive feature was the depth effect...it was almost like 3D. I really wasn't expecting anything special, but I was pleasantly surprised. VERY curious to see a live-action movie on an 8K set!!
 

Fallen Kell

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Just remember that there is no real 8k content yet. It is just upscaling 4k. The only real difference that you might be truely seeing is the fact that the 8k TV's are typically using the best technology panels, compared to the now "mainstream" 4k (where-in there are tons of budget panels in use to hit various price points). The 8k screens on the other-hand have not yet had penny pincher treatments because the various companies are still using them to showcase the state-of-the-art and hoping the mainstream market will buy other items in their brand when they realized that the 8k is out of their budget.

We are probably 2-3 years away from 8k content that isn't simply upscaled UHD. Sure, places will start claiming they have 8k network streaming content, but as stated, almost all of that will simply be upscaled UHD, and/or highly compressed content (networks simply can not handle the bandwidth, as we don't have 40+ Gbit internet connections which would be needed to deliver true 8k without massive compression). This means the dreaded blocky compression bands in the video streams on that 8k display.

I am going to say it, but without a disc based solution for video content, I would simply wait, and I would certainly not buy any 8k TV that does not have certified HDMI 2.1 connections (I think only the samsung has that). Anything else does not even have the bandwidth in the HDMI cable to ever transmit 8k to that TV, so it will never be more than a glorified 4k TV.
 
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killster1

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Just remember that there is no real 8k content yet. It is just upscaling 4k. The only real difference that you might be truely seeing is the fact that the 8k TV's are typically using the best technology panels, compared to the now "mainstream" 4k (where-in there are tons of budget panels in use to hit various price points). The 8k screens on the other-hand have not yet had penny pincher treatments because the various companies are still using them to showcase the state-of-the-art and hoping the mainstream market will buy other items in their brand when they realized that the 8k is out of their budget.

We are probably 2-3 years away from 8k content that isn't simply upscaled UHD. Sure, places will start claiming they have 8k network streaming content, but as stated, almost all of that will simply be upscaled UHD, and/or highly compressed content (networks simply can not handle the bandwidth, as we don't have 40+ Gbit internet connections which would be needed to deliver true 8k without massive compression). This means the dreaded blocky compression bands in the video streams on that 8k display.

I am going to say it, but without a disc based solution for video content, I would simply wait, and I would certainly not buy any 8k TV that does not have certified HDMI 2.1 connections (I think only the samsung has that). Anything else does not even have the bandwidth in the HDMI cable to ever transmit 8k to that TV, so it will never be more than a glorified 4k TV.
liar they make 8k video cameras. the new galaxy s11 will most likely shoot in 8k as well. the coolest thing about 8k monitors is both 8k ability and 4k@120hz when not watching 8k im in for one. you never download a 4k uhd movie? why would you stream it? so silly of course download first and not stream. what kind of 8k tv will not have hdmi 2.1? triple dp??? so confused by your post. but one thing i do agree on is of course the video its playing is going to look better then 99% of the stuff you will view in the future.
 

Fallen Kell

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liar they make 8k video cameras. the new galaxy s11 will most likely shoot in 8k as well. the coolest thing about 8k monitors is both 8k ability and 4k@120hz when not watching 8k im in for one. you never download a 4k uhd movie? why would you stream it? so silly of course download first and not stream. what kind of 8k tv will not have hdmi 2.1? triple dp??? so confused by your post. but one thing i do agree on is of course the video its playing is going to look better then 99% of the stuff you will view in the future.
Yes, they make 8k cameras. But as stated, NONE of the current 8K TV's that have been released in 2018 and 2019 have certified HDMI 2.1. Samsung believes that their TV's from 2019 will pass certification, but it hasn't happened yet. There are ZERO devices that have HDMI 2.1 OUTPUT to plug into a HDMI 2.1 input on a TV to even test, including COMPUTERS. There are ZERO DisplayPort to HDMI 2.1 adapters on the market to connect a computer (the only device that has 8k output resolution) to any of the current 8k TVs on the market. My point is, that nothing can be verified on ANY 8k TV model that it will actually take 8k input and work properly. You simply have to take the word of the manufacturer that it works (even when THEY can't even test it themselves!). And to top it all off, there are plenty of cases seen in the past where it was proven that a device did not live up to the manufacturer's claims, especially when the manufacturer isn't placing HDMI 2.1 on the specs sheet of the device, so that their lawyers can always point that out if the TV's don't pass certification and can't in fact properly process an 8k input (much like many of the first 1080p TV's that couldn't take an actual 1080 progressive signal, but would only handle the official 1080i signal and processes to a progressive scan display, or how the first 4k TVs could only accept 1080p as the highest resolution input and simply upscaled)... That is my point.

Now if you are talking about an 8k computer monitor that has a displayport 1.4a (or 2.0) connector on it, yes, it can take an 8k input. But none of the 8k TVs have that connector (I wish they did like how some of the first 1080p TVs that truly processed 120Hz had DVI-i since HDMI at that time could not support 120Hz).
 
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VirtualLarry

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I would certainly not buy any 8k TV that does not have certified HDMI 2.1 connections (I think only the samsung has that). Anything else does not even have the bandwidth in the HDMI cable to ever transmit 8k to that TV, so it will never be more than a glorified 4k TV.
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I don't see the cost:benefit ever being right for me unless 8K drops to 4K price points. Unless I had an 8 foot screen, i'd be sitting too far away to see 8K over 4K, if I could even see 4K over 1080p.
 

Fallen Kell

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That too is another issue, but for some people, they can potentially make use of the resolution. Most people, however, are sitting 6-8 feet away from their TV, and as such would need something like an 85" or larger TV to be able to see a difference (all things equal except for change in resolution).
 
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