8th Annual BOINC Pentathlon

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iwajabitw

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Got the new system up and running Einstein, but nothing has validated yet. Still sitting on 47 pages Pending. Tried LHC and it was going to work fine except, I only ordered 8gb of ram, and VB wants 6.6 of it. So the Atlas task just sat there stating "Waiting on memory" so I had to abort them.
 

iwajabitw

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So in the Pentathalon's Daily News, this is what they have to say about us.

"TAAT are unable to keep up with this tempo which allows them to concentrate fully on the defence of #9. AF (#10) appear as if they won’t be wanting to attack, let's hope they prove us wrong. Then follow OcUK (#11), [H]ard|OCP (#12) and USA (#13). The Americans have succeeded in keeping Meisterkuehler (#14) behind them. MK’s cooling system seems to have sprung a leak as Crunching@EVGA (#15) are much faster and coming closer."

Kinda pisses ya off, right.
 

crashtech

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Got the new system up and running Einstein, but nothing has validated yet. Still sitting on 47 pages Pending. Tried LHC and it was going to work fine except, I only ordered 8gb of ram, and VB wants 6.6 of it. So the Atlas task just sat there stating "Waiting on memory" so I had to abort them.
8GB had been my standard for a long time and still will be for low core count/GPU machines, but clearly 16GB+ is the future for CPU crunching.
 

iwajabitw

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8GB had been my standard for a long time and still will be for low core count/GPU machines, but clearly 16GB+ is the future for CPU crunching.
I did just find that leaving TV open and a few things in the back ground ate up some memory, so I canceled them out and Atlas can run now. But yeah I see having to add a few more sticks in.
 

StefanR5R

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So in the Pentathalon's Daily News, this is what they have to say about us.

The daily bulletin either glosses over or outright misreports the tactics of the teams. My eyebrows raised a bit when I read that CNT had "woken up" on the 5th day of WCG City Run, or were "slow to get going but managed to secure a creditable position" according to the 6th bulletin, when it was evident on day 5 and 6 that they had not been "sleeping" on the previous days at all, but were in fact bunkering up to day 5. (Good job by CNT, but why doesn't the bulletin describe it as what it was?)

Also, unless I have missed something, the bulletin did not, and presumably will not, mention the manipulation of daily/ hourly stats which occurred on the last day of the WCG City Run between SETI.USA and Team China. The reasons for the messed-up stats were initially unclear, but from what I understand, it is confirmed by now that this happened due to a SETI.USA member joining Team China, then going back to SETI.USA. It is likely, but AFAIK unconfirmed, that this was a deliberate exploit of a quirk of WCG's stats system in order to obfuscate the two teams' ongoing stats. This has stirred up a few differing opinions about sportsmanship in the pentathlon frontpage shoutbox.
 

StefanR5R

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(That said, I acknowledge that the bulletin is meant to be a lighthearted piece that's fun to read, and more often than not succeeds to be so. And it takes a lot of work for sure to cover all the team movements, and report daily in three languages even.)
 
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iwajabitw

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I read some of those posts on the shoutbox about some screwy numbers. Any idea if the host of the event is looking into the matter?
 

Kiska

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So what project is coming up? I haven't been paying attention because I have tons of uni assignments piling up now
 

iwajabitw

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Yoyo starts at 5/13 00:00 UTC, so that's today at 7pm CST for me.
Einstein ends in about 30+ hours
LHC runs until 5/19
 

Kiska

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And Cosmology is ongoing. It looks like we need the most help in LHC.

I see, but I can't since my systems run XenServer and VirtualBox refuses to run if there is already an existing hypervisor
 

StefanR5R

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I read some of those posts on the shoutbox about some screwy numbers. Any idea if the host of the event is looking into the matter?
According to the shoutbox, they looked into the technical side of things at least, and inquired at WCG about the mechanics of their credit system. (After all, they need to make sure that the issue wasn't with how they pull stats from the projects.) I.e. they are informed in detail.

There was a brief discussion between some SETI.Germany team members at their German-speaking public forum,
starting at #324. SG forum admin HeNiNnG (and, if I am not mistaken, involved in the Pentathlon organization), wrote in #330: "We are very glad that there was fair play in the end, since the team affiliation was switched back again." (This misses the point of the forth-and-back of membership; the person did not produce points while posing as TC member.)

pschoefer wrote in #356: "During the last seven years (that's how long this is ago)*, nothing has really change regarding this issue. Who thinks they must push down the overall score of other teams because they can't win on their own, doesn't need to be surprised if there is no competition next year, or even no contest. At this point in time I also don't believe that a discussion of this particular case is productive; as you note, we don't know yet what really happened." (This was on May 10, while the organizers waited for a response to an inquiry with WCG.)

*) pschoefer refers to three members of ESL switching to SETI.USA during Pentathlon 2010, in an attempt to prevent SETI.Germany from winning a MilkyWay race, and posted an apology afterwards.

shka (not an organizer) wrote in #361, giving his opinion ab: "Switching teams is possible in any other project [besides WCG] too. And also circumvention of any kind of new super duper rules. Therefore, such actions are the death of Penta, either because the teams lose interest or because the organizers don't want to be the ones responsible for something they have no means to control, sanction, prevent, or whatever. Therefore don't do this. But a discussion about it is futile. Take tax law for example - 100 people invent rules, 80 million ponder how far they can go to circumvent them." pschoefer quotes shka in #363 and responds: "In any other project, a simple team change would not have influenced the stats. But otherwise I have nothing to add to this."

Translation mistakes are mine.
 

StefanR5R

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@Kiska, both Cosmology and LHC have applications which don't need VirtualBox (camb_legacy at Cosmo, SixTrack at LHC), but they are said to yield fewer credits than the vbox based applications.
 

StefanR5R

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The Yoyo sprint begins in a little over 7 hours. Quorum is 1, i.e. credits get granted without validation.
 

Markfw

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I hate it when I blow breakers in the house. Everything is down until I get them fixed !
 

StefanR5R

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VirtualBox is now working on my OpenSuse box. It completed Cosmo/Planck and LHC/Atlas.

The Planck units behave like they do on Windows (short setup stage with low CPU utilization, during which they look for incremental docker updates; then multithreaded CPU utilization as configured).

But the Atlas units show up as sleeping most of the time when I look in "top". (Edit: That was during their first ~30 minutes of runtime. Now they seem to have found their ways towards full CPU utilization.) Nevertheless, they do have progress according to boincmgr. The one WU which I completed yet is listed with 3,600 s runtime and 15,600 s CPU time at LHC's results list, i.e. CPU time = 4.3 * wall clock time, although I had configured 8 threads for it.

Need to check how the next Atlas WUs turn out, and how they compare with SixTrack on this box.
 
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Ken g6

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Atlas shows up as sleeping a lot for me too. I've found running two at a time, staggered, uses my CPU most of the time. I guess that's why they call it swimming, except I'm only doing one stroke per hour.
 

StefanR5R

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CNT are doing what CNT are used to doing: Dropping bunkers. 2/3rds of their today's Einstein output were uploaded around 18:30...22:30 UTC, pushing them two ranks up.

Edit: SETI.USA also dropped some Einstein bunkers in the last hours, but not as disproportionately as CNT.
 
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